We're 1.5 games from the 6th worst record in the NBA and it is March

treefi · Post #1 » by **treefi** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 7:22 am

Do we resign Monroe?

Do we resign Jackson?

Can we sign & trade both players?

Should we trade Jennings? (or Meeks?)

How much weight should we put into these last 22 games anyway? Should sneaking into the Eastern Conference Finals and probably getting swept really impact whether or not we are giving the MAX to Monroe or Jackson?

If we get lucky and somehow end up with a top 3 pick, who do you want? 8-)

MrBigShot · Post #2 » by **MrBigShot** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 7:35 am

Resign Jackson: Have to wait and see, depends on how he does the rest of the year but I think SVG is almost guaranteed to sign him. He's already stated he didn't just bring him in for a rental. As for Monroe...I think it's less of a question of us wanting to resign him and more-so that I think he's likely to leave. Especially now that we're back to losing against the likes of the Sixers, T-Wolves and Knicks. In a vaccum he's absolutely not worth 25% of the cap, doesn't provide the type of impact to justify that financial commitment. Provides plenty of offense and rebounding but hasn't improved his game significantly since his 2nd year, and that, combined with his poor help/pick and roll defense and lack of shooting ability, is concerning. The cap is going to rise, and bigmen get paid a premium, so those are factors working in his favor. I'd like to see him remain a Piston but I think he'll sign elsewhere or ask for a S&T.

No, we should not actively try to trade Jennings until we get a chance to see him after returning from injury. If a really good offer comes up, then sure. But I don't want to trade him just for the sake of trading him...he was playing terrific basketball before going down.

If we get a top 3 pick I want D'Angelo Russell, the guy that I feel will be the best player in this draft. If he isn't available, then I'd go with Karl-Anthony Towns or Mudiay.

MotownMadness · Post #3 » by **MotownMadness** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 7:37 am

Do we resign Monroe? I'm leaning towards no at this point and that's because we know he's getting a max and I don't see it as worth too this team and SVGs style.

Do we resign Jackson? Not at no max and I'm pretty skeptical at the moment of even giving him what OKC was offering at 4/48. I would like to keep him because I see some potential there but he's delusional if he thinks he deserves that kind of cash.

Can we sign & trade both players? Jackson yes, Monroe depends

Should we trade Jennings? I want too see him again before trading him for peanuts

How much weight should we put into these last 22 games anyway? Should sneaking into the Eastern Conference Finals and probably getting swept really impact whether or not we are giving the MAX to Monroe or Jackson? It probably impacts Monroe but I don't think it effects Jackson's decision in the slightest.

If we get lucky and somehow end up with a top 3 pick, who do you want? Shop it for a established player, trade down and grab our SF we want and some assets but if we keep it I think you draft KAT and hope him and Dre are our next Sheed and Ben.

treefi · Post #4 » by **treefi** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 7:59 am

MrBigShot wrote:Resign Jackson: Have to wait and see, depends on how he does the rest of the year but I think SVG is almost guaranteed to sign him. He's already stated he didn't just bring him in for a rental. As for Monroe...I think it's less of a question of us wanting to resign him and more-so that I think he's likely to leave. Especially now that we're back to losing against the likes of the Sixers, T-Wolves and Knicks. In a vaccum he's absolutely not worth 25% of the cap, doesn't provide the type of impact to justify that financial commitment. Provides plenty of offense and rebounding but hasn't improved his game significantly since his 2nd year, and that, combined with his poor help/pick and roll defense and lack of shooting ability, is concerning. The cap is going to rise, and bigmen get paid a premium, so those are factors working in his favor. I'd like to see him remain a Piston but I think he'll sign elsewhere or ask for a S&T.

No, we should not actively try to trade Jennings until we get a chance to see him after returning from injury. If a really good offer comes up, then sure. But I don't want to trade him just for the sake of trading him...he was playing terrific basketball before going down.

If we get a top 3 pick I want D'Angelo Russell, the guy that I feel will be the best player in this draft. If he isn't available, then I'd go with Karl-Anthony Towns or Mudiay.

I hope SVG tells Jackson to set a goal of 20 assists in 1 game. If he wants to be loved by Detroit, that's the way to do it. Especially when you stress out all of the fans by you taking low percentage shots, like Jennings did(until the light bulb went off), Josh Smith and... so far.. Reggie Jackson.

I wonder what kind of role SVG has planned for Jennings next year if Jackson is back long term.

Do you see Russell as a PG or SG on Detroit?

treefi · Post #5 » by **treefi** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 8:07 am

MotownMadness wrote:Do we resign Monroe? I'm leaning towards no at this point and that's because we know he's getting a max and I don't see it as worth too this team and SVGs style.

Do we resign Jackson? Not at no max and I'm pretty skeptical at the moment of even giving him what OKC was offering at 4/48. I would like to keep him because I see some potential there but he's delusional if he thinks he deserves that kind of cash.

Can we sign & trade both players? Jackson yes, Monroe depends

Should we trade Jennings? I want too see him again before trading him for peanuts

How much weight should we put into these last 22 games anyway? Should sneaking into the Eastern Conference Finals and probably getting swept really impact whether or not we are giving the MAX to Monroe or Jackson? It probably impacts Monroe but I don't think it effects Jackson's decision in the slightest.

If we get lucky and somehow end up with a top 3 pick, who do you want? Shop it for a established player, trade down and grab our SF we want and some assets but if we keep it I think you draft KAT and hope him and Dre are our next Sheed and Ben.

Yes, I am also leaning towards letting them both go if they want as much as I think they do.

I like rolling with Jennings to see if he can recover from his injury... because something clicked with SVG, it was clear not only in the stats but because we were winning... DOMINATING! That was fun. 8-)

Unless Jackson cuts back on the low percentage shots and starts dishing out assists like tonight all the time... I have to pass.

treefi · Post #6 » by **treefi** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 9:00 am

I'm starting to buy into Draymond Green, if he is for some reason interested in signing here. My offseason:

Let Monroe and Jackson walk, try to sign & trade for future picks.

Sign
PF - Draymond Green
SF - Khris Middleton
C - Bismack Biyombo

Draft
PF - Kristaps Porzingis - Just did a lot of research on this guy... Didn't realize he was so talented defensively. A stretch 4, some say a 3 & D SF in a 7'0"s body..... Could be the absolute PERFECT fit for SVG.
PG - Delon Wright

C - Andre Drummond 32mpg
PF - Draymond Green 35mpg (25 @ PF) (10 @ SF)
SF - Khris Middleton 35mpg (30 & SF) (5 @ SG)
PG - Brandon Jennings 34mpg
SG - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope 33mpg

C - Bismack Biyombo 22mpg (18 @ C) (4 @ PF)
PF - Kristaps Porzingis 19mpg
SF - Butler or BPA from Monroe/Jackson (8mpg) / Quincy Miller
PG - Spencer Dinwiddie (14mpg) / Delton Wright
SG - Jodie Meeks 10mpg

DEFENSE. Hopefully Drummond would reach his potential surrounded by Green, Middleton and Biyombo. (still can't believe Joe included Middleton for Jennings, but whatever...)

Let's hope Jennings recovers and picks up where he started. If we can become a GREAT defensive team, a talented PG buying into SVG's system(Jennings) with Drummond surrounded by shooters = exciting offense (enough scoring to win with an elite defense, that's for sure)! :nod:

treefi · Post #7 » by **treefi** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 9:14 am

According to ESPN's Real Plus-Minus statistics, Middleton is sixth among all NBA players. The stat measures a player's impact on team performance, measured in net point differential per 100 offensive and defensive possessions.

The players ahead of him form an impressive list: Stephen Curry, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Anthony Davis and LeBron James.

"Right now I think the main improvement in my defense has just been the coaches," Middleton said, crediting coach Jason Kidd and his staff. "They've been teaching me defensive schemes, how to guard guys, how to use my length."

Middleton ranks 20th in the league in steals at 1.55 per game, just ahead of new teammate Michael Carter-Williams, who is at 1.52.

Middleton ranks 12th in the league in three-point percentage (41.3%) and is shooting 50.4% on two-pointers and 85.4% from the foul line. He is averaging 11.9 points and 4.5 rebounds in 56 games, including 35 starts.

"He's accepted the challenge to get better," Kidd said. "He's gotten better in all phases of his game, not just being known as a shooter but defensively. And he's starting to be more vocal.

"You would probably say he's one of the quiet guys. But now he's taking a little bit more of that leadership role."

Middleton is ranked in the 90th percentile in the league in post-up shooting and he also excels in catch-and-shoot situations. That versatility makes him a tough cover for opponents.

"He's just comfortable," Kidd said. "What we've asked him to do defensively is guard the best perimeter guy. Then offensively, we've asked him to score the ball, be looking for shots or making plays.

"He's involved in a lot of plays and you have to be in shape to do that. I think the next jump for him is shooting more free throws, because we're not afraid to post him up....

"He's done everything we've asked and you can see it in his play."

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Hotmayo · Post #8 » by **Hotmayo** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 12:37 pm

Obvious resign jackson. Then target draymond. Then look for shooters. Youd want a 3-D at the 3 but those are hard to come by. We need shooters around reggie and drumm to rub the pick n roll effectively

princeofpalace · Post #9 » by **princeofpalace** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 1:12 pm

1) Draft SF Justise Winslow- we need defense period. We do not have a defensive anchor on this team which means we need our perimeter players to play defense first and foremost. Justise is a guy who can be an elite defensive guy while also spreading the floor by hitting the 3 and he can also score at the hoop. He has no in between game, but the midrange shot is becoming a dying art anyway.

2) Sign and Trade Reggie Jackson for a wing. Jackson is just not a fit here. He is only good at creating offense for his teammates in transition, he is horrible in the halfcourt. Our offense looks terrible with him at the helm unless we are in transition. Not to mention that the floor spacing has taken a huge hit. PG that cannot shoot better have elite court vision and RJ doesnt. At this point Id rather go after Mo Williams at PG- someone who can really shoot the basketball and hope BJ gets healthy.

We also need to sign Monroe and hope that Drummond takes the next step to becoming our defensive anchor.

The Penguin · Post #10 » by **The Penguin** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 1:22 pm

Call me a cynic, but:

I think we drop into the 6th pick for a day, then we rip off a 10 game winning streak that leaves us with pick 11.

I think Monroe is gone. The Celtics have already said he's their #2 target after Love, so basically their #1 target. Someone is going to throw a full max at him and he'll walk. Big men as good and as young as him don't hit UFA and the grass is greener.

I expect Reggie to get a max from someone. We've been talking about throwing a max at Jimmy Butler or Leonard for months, and I think someone does the same for Reggie (Knicks, I'm looking at you). I don't know that we'll match it.

It's definitly in play that we go from just being a SF away from a really interesting young starting 5 to just having Drummond & KCP.

Post #11 » by **dVs33** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 1:55 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
2) Sign and Trade Reggie Jackson for a wing. Jackson is just not a fit here. He is only good at creating offense for his teammates in transition, he is horrible in the halfcourt. Our offense looks terrible with him at the helm unless we are in transition. Not to mention that the floor spacing has taken a huge hit. PG that cannot shoot better have elite court vision and RJ doesnt. At this point Id rather go after Mo Williams at PG- someone who can really shoot the basketball and hope BJ gets healthy.

We also need to sign Monroe and hope that Drummond takes the next step to becoming our defensive anchor.

This is how i'm feeling right now too.
RJ still has time to prove he can be a better facilitator, but so far he doesn;t look great.

I see this team struggling for the rest of the season with the lack of depth and shooting. Maybe we get the 7th or 8th pick and Monroe bolts. It's going to suck.

sfballa13 · Post #12 » by **sfballa13** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 2:19 pm

The Penguin wrote:Call me a cynic, but:

I think we drop into the 6th pick for a day, then we rip off a 10 game winning streak that leaves us with pick 11.

I think Monroe is gone. The Celtics have already said he's their #2 target after Love, so basically their #1 target. Someone is going to throw a full max at him and he'll walk. Big men as good and as young as him don't hit UFA and the grass is greener.

I expect Reggie to get a max from someone. We've been talking about throwing a max at Jimmy Butler or Leonard for months, and I think someone does the same for Reggie (Knicks, I'm looking at you). I don't know that we'll match it.

It's definitly in play that we go from just being a SF away from a really interesting young starting 5 to just having Drummond & KCP.

If Monroe wants that 5th year maybe we can salvage him leaving in a sign and trade

DBC10 · Post #13 » by **DBC10** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 2:39 pm

Reggie hasn't proved anything yet and is only proving that he cannot shoot. Which was my worst fear.

If Reggie does get a max from NYK then let him walk or sign and trade for parts. Sign Jeremy Lin to a reasonable deal since he's been balling out post all star break.

Try to draft Kristap or Towns depending on what Monroe does. One thing some people don't understand is, RFAs will get matched by any and all offers this off season. There won't be another Harden situation where the ownership was inept.

So that means very, very little chance of Butler, kawhi, or Green. Why tie up our cap space for a couple of days when they get matched regardless and then we whiff on major signings.

Kilo · Post #14 » by **Kilo** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 2:46 pm

sfballa13 wrote:
The Penguin wrote:Call me a cynic, but:

I think we drop into the 6th pick for a day, then we rip off a 10 game winning streak that leaves us with pick 11.

I think Monroe is gone. The Celtics have already said he's their #2 target after Love, so basically their #1 target. Someone is going to throw a full max at him and he'll walk. Big men as good and as young as him don't hit UFA and the grass is greener.

I expect Reggie to get a max from someone. We've been talking about throwing a max at Jimmy Butler or Leonard for months, and I think someone does the same for Reggie (Knicks, I'm looking at you). I don't know that we'll match it.

It's definitly in play that we go from just being a SF away from a really interesting young starting 5 to just having Drummond & KCP.

If Monroe wants that 5th year maybe we can salvage him leaving in a sign and trade

I don't believe that's allowed anymore under the new CBA. S&T contracts can't have a 5th year and can't have the bigger yearly raises. S&T only benefits player who wants to go to a team without the cap space - but no financial gain.

Post #15 » by **Timmaytime** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 2:47 pm

The Penguin wrote:Call me a cynic, but:

I think we drop into the 6th pick for a day, then we rip off a 10 game winning streak that leaves us with pick 11.

I think Monroe is gone. The Celtics have already said he's their #2 target after Love, so basically their #1 target. Someone is going to throw a full max at him and he'll walk. Big men as good and as young as him don't hit UFA and the grass is greener.

I expect Reggie to get a max from someone. We've been talking about throwing a max at Jimmy Butler or Leonard for months, and I think someone does the same for Reggie (Knicks, I'm looking at you). I don't know that we'll match it.

It's definitly in play that we go from just being a SF away from a really interesting young starting 5 to just having Drummond & KCP.

If we have a 10 game winning streak at any point were in the playoffs lol

vic · Post #16 » by **vic** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 3:06 pm

The floorspace has really been messed up by the trades.

I say draft best player available and if Moose wants to walk, make sure you try to do a sign & trade for somebody's draft pick.

Before they needed defense. Now they need shooting and defense.

All bets are off regarding the draft. Whatever the highest rated player needed, that's what they get. unless its okafor (can't defend) or Mudiay (can't shoot). or Russell (we have 3 pgs).

Towns, Hezonja, Kristaps... Johnson, Oubre... every top rated 3 or 4 is an option.

In Free agency it would be hard to get away from Reggie once SVG has made such a strong commitment to resigning him. Plus Dinwiddie has had some strong games and Jennings is still on board.
So if Moose wants to leave make sure you get a draft pick for him. Get Bobby Portis or Justin Anderson or Kevon Looney depending on if you got a 3 or 4 with your first pick.

In FA go hard after Tobias, Middleton, and Draymond

RSCD3_ · Post #17 » by **RSCD3_** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 3:07 pm

treefi wrote::banghead:

Do we resign Monroe?

Do we resign Jackson?

Can we sign & trade both players?

Should we trade Jennings? (or Meeks?)

How much weight should we put into these last 22 games anyway? Should sneaking into the Eastern Conference Finals and probably getting swept really impact whether or not we are giving the MAX to Monroe or Jackson?

If we get lucky and somehow end up with a top 3 pick, who do you want?

I think if we got a shot at the Conference finals we definitely should take it :wink:

sfballa13 · Post #18 » by **sfballa13** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 4:31 pm

I think our best case scenario in a trade for Monroe is Ryan Anderson and a trade exception

Then we can pick up Tolliver's option and have Anderson/Tolliver at PF for a year until we find someone permanent to sign

DBC10 · Post #19 » by **DBC10** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 5:30 pm

Like I said in a different thread, make a hard push for Gallinari somehow. He can play both positions, the 3 or 4 and balls out every night.

Post #20 » by **theBigLip** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 5:55 pm

Offseason sequence:

1. Win the lottery. If not, probably draft between 8-10.

2. Draft BPA, but hopefully it will be a SF

3. Throw big offer to Draymond Green. Try to get a big time SF if possible. Need to to this BEFORE signing Jackson/Monroe.

4. Try to sign both Jackson (for the right price) and Monroe. If not possible, try to sign and trade them.