Rudy Gobert: Future DPOY

naabzor · Post #441 » by **naabzor** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 3:59 pm

Well Alexis Ajinca is really good. He is 26 not that old and his raw numbers giving his limited playing time are really really good. Per 36 he is 17.5 - 12.4 - 1.5 - 2 and he has a per of 21.6

Long story short: Ajinca can ball.

coutournant · Post #442 » by **coutournant** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 8:52 pm

I agree Ajinça is one of the most skilled big man in the NBA offensively. But he struggles defensively due to his lack of lateral speed. He's a good shotblocker though, but foul prone, which limits his playing time. He could be a monster if he improves defensively, but there is a lot of work in that side of the game. He's still young for a center though and when he gets playing time h'es able to average 13/8 in 25min with a high PER.
France NT has a young and huge center position now with the best next defensive big thing and one of the most skilled offensive center (and we also have Jonathan Jeanne, 17 years old who is a mix of both)

Post #443 » by **loserX** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 10:03 pm

RSCD3_ wrote:i remember people saying he was too raw defensively to help any contender

To be fair, we're hardly a contender :wink:

Litany · Post #444 » by **Litany** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 11:25 pm

I'm starting to wonder if I am even being rational about Gobert at this point. I looked at all the players in the NBA and there isn't a really long list of em that I would trade Gobert for. He's a gamechanger.

I have not been this excited about Jazz basketball since the statues (Malone and Stockton). Even the Deron/Boozer/Memo era, at its peak, didn't bring this type of excitement.

:rocking:

HawaiianJazzFan · Post #445 » by **HawaiianJazzFan** » Fri Mar 6, 2015 2:05 am

greg4012 wrote:
dautjazz wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Not gonna get into a statistical theory argument with you but you're doing a lot of stuff with numbers without much thought to the statistical integrity of such.

As for tangible numbers that show that the difference between Favors and Bosh as rim protectors is negligible -- last season Bosh's opponent's fg% at rim was 53%, Favors' was 51.3%.

Last season? Why would your bring up last year's? What are this season's numbers?

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

Favors is 9th with 45.5%, Bosh is 55.3%. Favors is +.87 Points Saved PER36, Bosh is -2 ppg. So Bosh is a negative impact on defense this year (at the rim), while Favors is a positive.

Screw context then. Forgot the fact that he played half the season with blood clots on his lungs. Or that Favors played a large amount of the season alongside Gobert, whereas Bosh and Whiteside had very limited time together. It's just a dumb comparison to get into the nitty gritty of because there is so much that makes it incomplete, but the HawaiiJazzFan contingency wants to make it their calling card

Sweet, I have a contingency, I can now die a happy man. Look, I'm definitely a Jazz and Gobert homer, but I am also a fan of Whiteside. I have stated that I think that his defensive rebounding numbers are a little inflated because of the competition that he has, but he is just as dominant rebounding on the offensive end, so I could be wrong. If the Heat were to add a stud rebounder next to him, and he kept up the percentages, I'd be happy to eat crow, and would concede that he has all-time great rebounding abilities because his percentages and numbers are ridiculous. I'm always gonna slant towards Gobert because I watch every Jazz game and am a fan, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate and root for Whiteside. I'm a person who has needed many second chances, so I love the Whiteside story. I also really wanted the Jazz to draft him and was bummed that he had such a bad interview with them.

jowglenn · Post #446 » by **jowglenn** » Fri Mar 6, 2015 2:16 am

I love the emergence of Gobert. Utah made the Kanter trade at the right time, and now Gobert can start his reign. Can you see him leading the league in rebounding? I can. Can you see him leading the league in blocks? I can. This could be a whole thing here. The Gobert era. This is the most exciting player the Jazz have had in a long time.

jowglenn · Post #447 » by **jowglenn** » Fri Mar 6, 2015 2:20 am

I really think Utah can make Gobert their centerpiece for the next 10 years. This guy is legit as ****. He anchors. You don't find guys like this every day. Figure out the rest around it, and this guy could be your new great one. I honestly see it like that.

Gobert will win at least one DPOY. At least one.

King Ken · Post #448 » by **King Ken** » Fri Mar 6, 2015 2:36 am

Nate505 wrote:One sorta fun thing to do is to look at sites like draftxpress and see what people were saying about him at the time. The comments section is full of gems. Full disclaimer, my predictions generally suck too which is why I try not to make them too bold, so people in years past would see that I was angry at the Jazz for taking Hayward over Xavier Henry and other winners like that, so I can't fault people too much. Still, this one is great:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Rudy-Gobert-5878/

I'm a SacTown kings fan and it says that they mocked us drafting him.....why? I get that he's big, long, and shuts down the paint....but he's 7 feet tall and doesn't grab more than 5 boards? Also if he can shut down the paint he should be getting more boards Kings please pass on this guy

(think Gobert had 24 boards yesterday)

Now not that McLemore isn't a bad player or anything, but is there anyone who would want McLemore over Gobert? In fairness to the Kings though, they would have got raked over the coals with that pick, even though if things stayed the same it would have been the right pick.

The NBA is so much about measureables, it's ridiculous. That's why Michael Jordan one of the greatest. That's why Giannis who was playing 2nd level Greek Basketball is in his 2nd year in the NBA as a raising star, and Westbrook who was mainly an extremely athletic defensive stopper with limited offensive skills is now Mr. Triple Double average crazy ass numbers and points. Gobert was average 5.4 RPG with 22.7 MPG in France. Even per40 that's 9.5 which isn't great considering his size and the quality of comp in France which at the time was a middle of the road league in Europe. It's measureables. He should have been drafted higher especially given his age but his improvement was massive. He sucked last year and flashed talent. This year, he's good and flashing special talent. Measureables. Teams been burnt by measureables of really raw big men (Biyombo, Ajinca, Peter John Ramos) but Gobert has the BBIQ and some skill which those players lacked.

Great get for Utah, I still like Walter better but both players seem to get better each month but what's Gobert is doing is great.

greg4012 · Post #449 » by **greg4012** » Fri Mar 6, 2015 3:18 am

HawaiianJazzFan wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
dautjazz wrote:
Last season? Why would your bring up last year's? What are this season's numbers?

http://nyloncalculus.com/stats/rim-protection/

Favors is 9th with 45.5%, Bosh is 55.3%. Favors is +.87 Points Saved PER36, Bosh is -2 ppg. So Bosh is a negative impact on defense this year (at the rim), while Favors is a positive.

Screw context then. Forgot the fact that he played half the season with blood clots on his lungs. Or that Favors played a large amount of the season alongside Gobert, whereas Bosh and Whiteside had very limited time together. It's just a dumb comparison to get into the nitty gritty of because there is so much that makes it incomplete, but the HawaiiJazzFan contingency wants to make it their calling card

Sweet, I have a contingency, I can now die a happy man. Look, I'm definitely a Jazz and Gobert homer, but I am also a fan of Whiteside. I have stated that I think that his defensive rebounding numbers are a little inflated because of the competition that he has, but he is just as dominant rebounding on the offensive end, so I could be wrong. If the Heat were to add a stud rebounder next to him, and he kept up the percentages, I'd be happy to eat crow, and would concede that he has all-time great rebounding abilities because his percentages and numbers are ridiculous. I'm always gonna slant towards Gobert because I watch every Jazz game and am a fan, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate and root for Whiteside. I'm a person who has needed many second chances, so I love the Whiteside story. I also really wanted the Jazz to draft him and was bummed that he had such a bad interview with them.

All good my man. You just stand out as the flag-bearer in the same way cyclix is for us Whiteside homers LOL. I'm actually a Gobert fan myself, and even admitted I was hoping the Heat (pre-Whiteside) could have somehow targeted a trade for him last season or early this season (before he blew up). I figured it made sense because I liked his potential, the heat were desperate for center help and Jazz had frontcourt depth.

Crazy these two emerged at the same time

HawaiianJazzFan · Post #450 » by **HawaiianJazzFan** » Fri Mar 6, 2015 6:51 am

greg4012 wrote:
HawaiianJazzFan wrote:
greg4012 wrote:
Screw context then. Forgot the fact that he played half the season with blood clots on his lungs. Or that Favors played a large amount of the season alongside Gobert, whereas Bosh and Whiteside had very limited time together. It's just a dumb comparison to get into the nitty gritty of because there is so much that makes it incomplete, but the HawaiiJazzFan contingency wants to make it their calling card

Sweet, I have a contingency, I can now die a happy man. Look, I'm definitely a Jazz and Gobert homer, but I am also a fan of Whiteside. I have stated that I think that his defensive rebounding numbers are a little inflated because of the competition that he has, but he is just as dominant rebounding on the offensive end, so I could be wrong. If the Heat were to add a stud rebounder next to him, and he kept up the percentages, I'd be happy to eat crow, and would concede that he has all-time great rebounding abilities because his percentages and numbers are ridiculous. I'm always gonna slant towards Gobert because I watch every Jazz game and am a fan, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate and root for Whiteside. I'm a person who has needed many second chances, so I love the Whiteside story. I also really wanted the Jazz to draft him and was bummed that he had such a bad interview with them.

All good my man. You just stand out as the flag-bearer in the same way cyclix is for us Whiteside homers LOL. I'm actually a Gobert fan myself, and even admitted I was hoping the Heat (pre-Whiteside) could have somehow targeted a trade for him last season or early this season (before he blew up). I figured it made sense because I liked his potential, the heat were desperate for center help and Jazz had frontcourt depth.

Crazy these two emerged at the same time

For sure, maybe Cyclix and I could be their agents, lol.

laploutocratie · Post #451 » by **laploutocratie** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:38 am

This guy is so damn good. He's Tyson Chandler on steroids. Easily would go Top 3, and perhaps first pick if 2013 Draft Class was redrafted.

Atmanne · Post #452 » by **Atmanne** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:08 am

Don't think there's much doubt he'd go #1.

denimourson · Post #453 » by **denimourson** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:10 am

Amish Mafioso wrote:
Johnny Firpo wrote:Giannis, Schroeder and Gobert... The 2013 draft shows you perfectly that European players still have a stigma on them. All three of those guys were elite athletes, who should have went in the top 5 in that otherwise abysmal draft. Most GM's failed spectacularly that night. Also, another lesson that you should always go for the high upside players. We could have drafted any of those three, and dropped the ball in a major way. Nelson actually wanted Giannis, but Cuban talked him out of it...

Cuban is probably my favorite owner, but man, he needs to start trusting people who know the game, instead of assuming his expertise in business qualifies him to make such decisions. I believe Utah has had somewhat of the same problem over the years, but it looks like the Miller family has finally decided to give full control to their GM, after losing two borderline all-stars for nothing, because they tried to compete as a treadmill team.

Shark Tank getting to his head.

dautjazz · Post #454 » by **dautjazz** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:30 am

Is it too early to call him the best center in the NBA? I definitely wouldn't trade him for Cousins or any other center in the NBA.

RSCD3_ · Post #455 » by **RSCD3_** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 3:53 am

dautjazz wrote:Is it too early to call him the best center in the NBA? I definitely wouldn't trade him for Cousins or any other center in the NBA.

In the beginning Cousins was balling

Lately it appears there's been a regression to the mean

dautjazz · Post #456 » by **dautjazz** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:23 am

RSCD3_ wrote:
dautjazz wrote:Is it too early to call him the best center in the NBA? I definitely wouldn't trade him for Cousins or any other center in the NBA.

In the beginning Cousins was balling

Lately it appears there's been a regression to the mean

I never put much weight on Cousin's success early on, never felt he was a winner or reliable.

TKainZero · Post #457 » by **TKainZero** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:38 am

Gobert/Exum...

Jazz have 2 freakishly athletic/long players at PG/C

I think they make the playoffs next season (and finish at 500 this year)

I fell in love with Gobert last season when he came in for garbage time vs the lakers (I couldn't believe what I was seeing, the size, speed, fluidness, he was just amazing)

My love was justified during FIBA, and now, he is just amazing (and he can only get better)
I don't think the jazz would trade Gobert for the number one pick in the 2015 draft... (maybe not even embiid AND the number 1)

You don't have to run A single play for gobert for him to be effective

Exum
Burks
Hayward
Favors
Gobert

Burke
Hood
Booker

That is a strong 8 man rotation(burke could be upgraded)

This team should make the playoffs next year. (find a 3&D SF this draft, and sign a backup Post player who can get some buckets)

Utah has one of the brightest futures in the NBA

MotownMadness · Post #458 » by **MotownMadness** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 4:40 am

Gobert looks real nice and I really like what I see from Exum lately as well. Jazz have a nice group of youth brewing out there.

stitches · Post #459 » by **stitches** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:37 am

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1kx38CZ5vM[/youtube]

JazzMatt13 · Post #460 » by **JazzMatt13** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:25 am

For those who didn't see the game, Rudy had a double double before end of 1st quarter, with 1 block.

One of the shots he missed he ended up putting back. Another he tipped, and Booker finished.

There is so much he does in paint that never shows up. You swear he has 3 blocks, but they never give him the credit. He is just a paint disrupt'er.