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Game 61: Phoenix Suns (31-29) @ Miami Heat (25-33)

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Re: Game 61: Phoenix Suns (31-29) @ Miami Heat (25-33) 

Post#801 » by NavLDO » Fri Mar 6, 2015 2:35 pm

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Ultimately I'm fine the way things turned out because I really like Brandon Knight. I even suggested during the summer, that if Bledsoe demanded a trade or a S&T, that perhaps one for Knight, Middleton and a first rounder would be decent since Milwaukee had interest.

I don't blame or hold any ill will towards Dragic because I understand why you would want to be in the best situation possible where your skills are properly utilized. He was a bit unprofessional, but I feel the FO has looked childish at times throughout the whole ordeal....almost high school-ish.



Well, I'm a bit more "upset" with Dragic than most, but because I believe he was more than just a "bit unprofessional," so of course, my opinion is more jaded than many. What he did, by saying he would only sign long-term with 3 teams, was effectively take 27 other team out of the negotiations (not that that many wanted him, but we'll never know). And as I've stated before, the Kings were interested, until that point, and not that they would have been the ultimate trade partner, or provided more value, but at least McD would have had more leverage in his negotiations, before they dropped their interest immediately following Dragic's comments. Whereas nothing the FO said following (which was, yes, a bit childish, I admit), negatively affected Dragic in the least, but what Dragic said, and did, DID negatively affect this team. Sorry, I don't see it any other way. I don't expect everyone else to feel the same way, and that's fine, but the constant accusations that somehow the FO was to primarily to blame is BS. Dragic acted just fine up until February, then flipped his attitude. Fine, he wants to be in the best situation for him, but then talk to McD/Babby privately about it--don't "air your dirty laundry" to the press. At least give McD the chance to get the most he can possibly get, while getting Dragic to Mia, LAL, or NYK.

Again, Dragic tied McD's hands; McD is the Suns GM, responsible for acquiring assets/talent for our beloved team; thus Dragic hurt this team. Agree...don't agree...whatever (not you personally, bwgood), but no one is going to be able to convince me differently on this matter, unless facts or proof becomes otherwise available .

Now, on Knight? Yes, I am glad we obtained him, and think he'll eventually grow into an important cog on this team, and I personally feel, given the chance, he has a better-than-likely-opportunity to become even better than Dragic has ever been, or will be.


Yeah, we disagree on Dragic impacting his trade value. No team would have given nearly anything like two first rounders for him without an assurance he would re-sign. I'm surprised you believe a team, especially one outside of the playoff race would give up more than two first rounders for 2-3 months of his services. I think the fact that there were three teams, helped assure those teams that he would be willing to re-sign, in which case they would be willing to give up more than they otherwise would have.

But I know you won't see it any other way, so we can agree to disagree.


But one of those picks is 6 years away, and the other is two years away. How much are those really worth? In 5 years, it will look pretty good, but right now, not so much.

But maybe the way you are looking at it is the right way; IDK. Maybe it didn't negatively affect his value, but I look at it like the higher number of offers, the better negotiating stance he has. But regardless, I'm not saying that I'm 100% right, as I am emotionally biased. Your stance has valid points to it, for sure.
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Re: Game 61: Phoenix Suns (31-29) @ Miami Heat (25-33) 

Post#802 » by bwgood77 » Fri Mar 6, 2015 7:30 pm

NavLDO wrote:But one of those picks is 6 years away, and the other is two years away. How much are those really worth? In 5 years, it will look pretty good, but right now, not so much.

But maybe the way you are looking at it is the right way; IDK. Maybe it didn't negatively affect his value, but I look at it like the higher number of offers, the better negotiating stance he has. But regardless, I'm not saying that I'm 100% right, as I am emotionally biased. Your stance has valid points to it, for sure.


That 2021 pick doesn't seem real valuable right now since it is so far off, but it could be very valuable when the time comes, and I'll still be a fan. We know how much it can suck to have picks with protection on them every year...no protection is huge. Especially if they change the lottery structure and more teams have a better chance at getting a top pick.
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