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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#241 » by -TheDocOfDenial » Sat Mar 7, 2015 4:43 am

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It can't be all Casey's fault. Lowry is the point guard who is supposed to run the team is he not? GV is the backup point guard.


It is Casey's job to call plays for Jonas or to reign in his PGs and tell them to facilitate the game and not just chuck. Look at Carlisle and Rondo. So in the end, it is Casey's fault because he is the coach and he is responsible for plays/how the ball is distributed. Also GV/Lowry do not have the ability to bench Jonas like Casey effectively did today for half the game.


If that were the case then you would expect that Casey would be getting heaps of praise whenever the team wins or JV has a big game since he is so influential. He does not, however. A coach can only do so much. JV does not have the trust of many of his teammates. That's the reality of the situation.


If you noticed after the cavs game, a lot of people were praising casey and demar for feeding JV. Its not like the "fanboys" just praise JV when he does well and bash casey when he does poorly. Some might do but the majority realize its a team effort.

As for his peers not having trust in him, that is pure speculation on your part and has no basis. Look at how lou and GV fed JV against the cavs. It is obliviously a game plan issue where the raptors refuse to play inside out even when the perimeter shots are not falling. The 2nd Q in this game killed us as the Raptors layed brick after brick and Casey refused to put JV back in the game.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#242 » by joseph227 » Sat Mar 7, 2015 4:49 am

Yeah that's just baseless speculation. It's not a trust issue, it's the fact that our 2 "star" guards are tunnel-visioned chuckers.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#243 » by changes » Sat Mar 7, 2015 4:50 am

Lowry is trash. Can thank Bieber for that 1 allstar game he got.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#244 » by UneducatedFan86 » Sat Mar 7, 2015 4:54 am

Hero wrote:
PPG (MIN: FGM/A(%), FTM/A, REB, STL, AST, BLK)
7 (27min: 2/4(.500), 3/6, 12 reb, 1 stl)
16 (27min: 6/8(.750), 4/6, 6 reb, 1 stl)
5 (23min: 1/2(.500), 3/4, 5 reb, 1 stl. 1 blk)
26 (30min: 12/17(.706), 2/2, 11 reb, 1 ast, 2 blk)
9 (23min: 2/3(.666), 5/5, 6 reb, 2 blk)

Those are his point totals in the last 5. Not very consistent.


Added the bold parts. Numbers without some context don't tell much.

Shoots a good %, gets to the line, gets rebound, gets a steal, gets blocks, plays the fewest minutes of the starters (during this stretch). Seems decently consistent to me.

Now, is it his fault he is only getting a handful of shots a game? Maybe. Maybe he needs to demand the ball more. Maybe they need to run a few more plays for him. Who knows. It's not like he's shooting 10/12 one game and then 1/10 the next (like some players).

Let's look a bit deeper. Jonas numbers compared to the rest of team (players averaging 20min+):
PER GAME STATS:
tied for 4th in MPG with Patterson (26.4)
3rd in FG% (.564)
4th in FTA (3.7)
1st in ORB (2.4)
1st in DRB (6.0)
1st in TRB (8.7)
2nd in BLK (1.1)
4th in PTS (12.1)
tied for 4th in TOV with Vasquez (1.4)
ADVANCE STATS:
1st in PER (20.4)
2nd in TS% (.621)
1st in FTr (.461) yes, higher than Demar(.459).
1st in ORB% (11.7)
1st DRB% (26.5)
1st TRB% (19.1)
2nd BLK% (3.5)
5th USG% (18.9)
tied for 1st with Lowry in OWS (4.4)
1st in DWS (1.9)
1st in WS (6.3)
1st in WS/48 (.190)

For someone who "isn't" a factor to this team, he sure leads this team in a lot of stats. Not saying you said he wasn't a factor, just remarking on a previous comment by another poster.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#245 » by lobosloboslobos » Sat Mar 7, 2015 4:55 am

Saciid11 wrote:
UneducatedFan86 wrote:
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I just want him traded, so we don't have to deal with his fan boys ... bitching about the coach every lose and staying silent when we win ..and he was irrelevant in the win.


JV has been one of the most consistent players all season. I don't get why you hate on him so much....


Most consistent??? If that is the case then why is he getting no playing in the 4Q... Ohhh must be the coach, I guess. JV had few good games state wise, but to call that the most consistent is ridicules, our most consistent player has been Lowry. Lowry carried this team during Demar absence...


With weak game like this you make rebuttals to your other rants unnecessary
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#246 » by J_Sky_G » Sat Mar 7, 2015 4:59 am

Where are all the people that said we cannot possibly give JV more touches?

Lmfao clowns. Watch more ball.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#247 » by ATLTimekeeper » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:02 am

Hansbrough probably deserved more than 5 minutes, too. The shooters were firing up bricks and we were getting pasted on the glass.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#248 » by Hero » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:06 am

UneducatedFan86 wrote:
Hero wrote:
PPG (MIN: FGM/A(%), FTM/A, REB, STL, AST, BLK)
7 (27min: 2/4(.500), 3/6, 12 reb, 1 stl)
16 (27min: 6/8(.750), 4/6, 6 reb, 1 stl)
5 (23min: 1/2(.500), 3/4, 5 reb, 1 stl. 1 blk)
26 (30min: 12/17(.706), 2/2, 11 reb, 1 ast, 2 blk)
9 (23min: 2/3(.666), 5/5, 6 reb, 2 blk)

Those are his point totals in the last 5. Not very consistent.


Added the bold parts. Numbers without some context don't tell much.

Shoots a good %, gets to the line, gets rebound, gets a steal, gets blocks, plays the fewest minutes of the starters (during this stretch). Seems decently consistent to me.

Now, is it his fault he only is only getting a handful of shots a game? Maybe. Maybe he needs to demand the ball more. Maybe they need to run a few more plays for him. Who knows. It's not like he's shooting 10/12 one game and then 1/10 the next (like some players).

Let's look a bit deeper. Jonas numbers compared to the rest of team (players averaging 20min+):
PER GAME STATS:
tied for 4th in MPG with Patterson (26.4)
3rd in FG% (.564)
4th in FTA (3.7)
1st in ORB (2.4)
1st in DRB (6.0)
1st in TRB (8.7)
2nd in BLK (1.1)
4th in PTS (12.1)
tied for 4th in TOV with Vasquez (1.4)
ADVANCE STATS:
1st in PER (20.4)
2nd in TS% (.621)
1st in FTr (.461) yes, higher than Demar(.459).
1st in ORB% (11.7)
1st DRB% (26.5)
1st TRB% (19.1)
2nd BLK% (3.5)
5th USG% (18.9)
tied for 1st with Lowry in OWS (4.4)
1st in DWS (1.9)
1st in WS (6.3)
1st in WS/48 (.190)

For someone who "isn't" a factor to this team, he sure leads this team in a lot of stats. Not saying you said he wasn't a factor, just remarking on a previous comment by another poster.


57th by centers in real plus minus.

Top of the list are names like :

1 DeMarcus Cousins
2 Tyson Chandler
3 Hassan Whiteside
4 Andrew Bogut
5 Jusuf Nurkic
6 DeAndre Jordan
7 Marc Gasol MEM
8 Timofey Mozgov
9 Al Horford
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#249 » by cammac » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:13 am

If JV was on the trading block every team in the NBA would be standing in line to get him with the exception of Sac Town and maybe Detroit with Drummond ( SVG is smart enough to know Jonas is a better product than Drummond) . Yes there may be better C's than he is right now Marc Gasol but he is 30 and a injury free Howard but will never be injury free.

So who exactly would you trade him for?
Who is better than him at 22?
Tell me who is better?

Yet you will heap praise on DeMar & Lowry who are veteran players who should be at full value right now but are playing NYC street ball.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#250 » by -TheDocOfDenial » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:14 am

Hero wrote:
UneducatedFan86 wrote:
Hero wrote:
PPG (MIN: FGM/A(%), FTM/A, REB, STL, AST, BLK)
7 (27min: 2/4(.500), 3/6, 12 reb, 1 stl)
16 (27min: 6/8(.750), 4/6, 6 reb, 1 stl)
5 (23min: 1/2(.500), 3/4, 5 reb, 1 stl. 1 blk)
26 (30min: 12/17(.706), 2/2, 11 reb, 1 ast, 2 blk)
9 (23min: 2/3(.666), 5/5, 6 reb, 2 blk)

Those are his point totals in the last 5. Not very consistent.


Added the bold parts. Numbers without some context don't tell much.

Shoots a good %, gets to the line, gets rebound, gets a steal, gets blocks, plays the fewest minutes of the starters (during this stretch). Seems decently consistent to me.

Now, is it his fault he only is only getting a handful of shots a game? Maybe. Maybe he needs to demand the ball more. Maybe they need to run a few more plays for him. Who knows. It's not like he's shooting 10/12 one game and then 1/10 the next (like some players).

Let's look a bit deeper. Jonas numbers compared to the rest of team (players averaging 20min+):
PER GAME STATS:
tied for 4th in MPG with Patterson (26.4)
3rd in FG% (.564)
4th in FTA (3.7)
1st in ORB (2.4)
1st in DRB (6.0)
1st in TRB (8.7)
2nd in BLK (1.1)
4th in PTS (12.1)
tied for 4th in TOV with Vasquez (1.4)
ADVANCE STATS:
1st in PER (20.4)
2nd in TS% (.621)
1st in FTr (.461) yes, higher than Demar(.459).
1st in ORB% (11.7)
1st DRB% (26.5)
1st TRB% (19.1)
2nd BLK% (3.5)
5th USG% (18.9)
tied for 1st with Lowry in OWS (4.4)
1st in DWS (1.9)
1st in WS (6.3)
1st in WS/48 (.190)

For someone who "isn't" a factor to this team, he sure leads this team in a lot of stats. Not saying you said he wasn't a factor, just remarking on a previous comment by another poster.


57th by centers in real plus minus.

Top of the list are names like :

1 DeMarcus Cousins
2 Tyson Chandler
3 Hassan Whiteside
4 Andrew Bogut
5 Jusuf Nurkic
6 DeAndre Jordan
7 Marc Gasol MEM
8 Timofey Mozgov
9 Al Horford


Khris Middelton is above DMC, Kawhi, CP3 in RPM. Stats like that are not the end be all of discussion.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#251 » by Hero » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:21 am

-TheDocOfDenial wrote:
Hero wrote:
UneducatedFan86 wrote:
Added the bold parts. Numbers without some context don't tell much.

Shoots a good %, gets to the line, gets rebound, gets a steal, gets blocks, plays the fewest minutes of the starters (during this stretch). Seems decently consistent to me.

Now, is it his fault he only is only getting a handful of shots a game? Maybe. Maybe he needs to demand the ball more. Maybe they need to run a few more plays for him. Who knows. It's not like he's shooting 10/12 one game and then 1/10 the next (like some players).

Let's look a bit deeper. Jonas numbers compared to the rest of team (players averaging 20min+):
PER GAME STATS:
tied for 4th in MPG with Patterson (26.4)
3rd in FG% (.564)
4th in FTA (3.7)
1st in ORB (2.4)
1st in DRB (6.0)
1st in TRB (8.7)
2nd in BLK (1.1)
4th in PTS (12.1)
tied for 4th in TOV with Vasquez (1.4)
ADVANCE STATS:
1st in PER (20.4)
2nd in TS% (.621)
1st in FTr (.461) yes, higher than Demar(.459).
1st in ORB% (11.7)
1st DRB% (26.5)
1st TRB% (19.1)
2nd BLK% (3.5)
5th USG% (18.9)
tied for 1st with Lowry in OWS (4.4)
1st in DWS (1.9)
1st in WS (6.3)
1st in WS/48 (.190)

For someone who "isn't" a factor to this team, he sure leads this team in a lot of stats. Not saying you said he wasn't a factor, just remarking on a previous comment by another poster.


57th by centers in real plus minus.

Top of the list are names like :

1 DeMarcus Cousins
2 Tyson Chandler
3 Hassan Whiteside
4 Andrew Bogut
5 Jusuf Nurkic
6 DeAndre Jordan
7 Marc Gasol MEM
8 Timofey Mozgov
9 Al Horford


Khris Middelton is above DMC, Kawhi, CP3 in RPM. Stats like that are not the end be all of discussion.


Living up to your name eh. Real Plus Minus is one of the best stats there is. Khris Middleton is actually pretty good. Go ask the Bucks forum. One name being in a certain position does not mean the entire stat is worthless. JV being that low shows that his impact on this team is nowhere near Lowry's or Lou's. He simply doesn't make us much better compare to those guys.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#252 » by cammac » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:21 am

Hero wrote:
UneducatedFan86 wrote:
Hero wrote:
PPG (MIN: FGM/A(%), FTM/A, REB, STL, AST, BLK)
7 (27min: 2/4(.500), 3/6, 12 reb, 1 stl)
16 (27min: 6/8(.750), 4/6, 6 reb, 1 stl)
5 (23min: 1/2(.500), 3/4, 5 reb, 1 stl. 1 blk)
26 (30min: 12/17(.706), 2/2, 11 reb, 1 ast, 2 blk)
9 (23min: 2/3(.666), 5/5, 6 reb, 2 blk)

Those are his point totals in the last 5. Not very consistent.


Added the bold parts. Numbers without some context don't tell much.

Shoots a good %, gets to the line, gets rebound, gets a steal, gets blocks, plays the fewest minutes of the starters (during this stretch). Seems decently consistent to me.

Now, is it his fault he only is only getting a handful of shots a game? Maybe. Maybe he needs to demand the ball more. Maybe they need to run a few more plays for him. Who knows. It's not like he's shooting 10/12 one game and then 1/10 the next (like some players).

Let's look a bit deeper. Jonas numbers compared to the rest of team (players averaging 20min+):
PER GAME STATS:
tied for 4th in MPG with Patterson (26.4)
3rd in FG% (.564)
4th in FTA (3.7)
1st in ORB (2.4)
1st in DRB (6.0)
1st in TRB (8.7)
2nd in BLK (1.1)
4th in PTS (12.1)
tied for 4th in TOV with Vasquez (1.4)
ADVANCE STATS:
1st in PER (20.4)
2nd in TS% (.621)
1st in FTr (.461) yes, higher than Demar(.459).
1st in ORB% (11.7)
1st DRB% (26.5)
1st TRB% (19.1)
2nd BLK% (3.5)
5th USG% (18.9)
tied for 1st with Lowry in OWS (4.4)
1st in DWS (1.9)
1st in WS (6.3)
1st in WS/48 (.190)

For someone who "isn't" a factor to this team, he sure leads this team in a lot of stats. Not saying you said he wasn't a factor, just remarking on a previous comment by another poster.


57th by centers in real plus minus.

Top of the list are names like :

1 DeMarcus Cousins
2 Tyson Chandler
3 Hassan Whiteside
4 Andrew Bogut
5 Jusuf Nurkic
6 DeAndre Jordan
7 Marc Gasol MEM
8 Timofey Mozgov
9 Al Horford


Only a Hero would take any of the above over Jonas with the exception of Cousins and if you wanted to win a championship this year Gasol. Many games the chuckers bury the team in the 1st quarter then Jonas sits. Yes his + & - is bad but there are reasons.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#253 » by PenguinBoxer » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:24 am

Sam Mitchell would have turned JV into an All Star
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#254 » by J_Sky_G » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:26 am

Hero wrote:
-TheDocOfDenial wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:
I just want him traded, so we don't have to deal with his fan boys ... bitching about the coach every lose and staying silent when we win ..and he was irrelevant in the win.


you are a clown. JV put up 26/10 last game and what does he get for that? No minutes in 2nd and 4th Q and only 3 (read that only 3 **** shots). Do yourself a favor and stop posting.




7
16
5
26
9

Those are his point totals in the last 5. Not very consistent.
Man, lol, you have to be one of the dumbest ever to do it.

HOF worthy idiotic post. Holy ****.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#255 » by dsquared » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:28 am

Hero wrote:
-TheDocOfDenial wrote:
Hero wrote:
57th by centers in real plus minus.

Top of the list are names like :

1 DeMarcus Cousins
2 Tyson Chandler
3 Hassan Whiteside
4 Andrew Bogut
5 Jusuf Nurkic
6 DeAndre Jordan
7 Marc Gasol MEM
8 Timofey Mozgov
9 Al Horford


Khris Middelton is above DMC, Kawhi, CP3 in RPM. Stats like that are not the end be all of discussion.


Living up to your name eh. Real Plus Minus is one of the best stats there is. Khris Middleton is actually pretty good. Go ask the Bucks forum. One name being in a certain position does not mean the entire stat is worthless. JV being that low shows that his impact on this team is nowhere near Lowry's or Lou's. He simply doesn't make us much better compare to those guys.


I love how you just ignore all the stats posted by the other guy and cherry pick the negative ones you can find to try and prove your point.

Another trash poster with 20k+ posts, some of you guys should post less and actually watch some games. Just disgusting the vitrol you spew on this board, welcome to my list.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#256 » by Danchan » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:28 am

can we do a proper rebuild already. Only delaying the inevitable.
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Post#258 » by dsquared » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:34 am

At one point we had Grievis, Lou, Lowry, Ross and JJ on the court, then it starts to make sense how we get outrebounded by 20. It just boggles my mind the rotations Casey comes up with. This man is completely f*cking insane.

Guaran-f*cking-teed that Casey never sniffs a HC job in the nba again. I'd be willing to bet the relocation of our franchise on it.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#259 » by J_Sky_G » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:35 am

Saciid11 wrote:
cammac wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:
According to his fan boys his the most consistent player this season... Lowry to them is just chucker who needs to be traded just because he had bad stretch of games.


Lowry is a good player when he is a PG the last 15 games he has played he isn't a PG just a chucker. So you must be a fan boy! I was one of Lowry's greatest defenders and will be again when he starts being a PG again.

To call Jonas inefficient goes against all logic the only full time players that are more efficient offensively are Anthony Davis, Jimmy Butler & Steven Curry. Yet he is getting less minutes than last year! I think every team in the NBA would love to have Jonas as the starting C at 22 years old except maybe Sac Town.


When you score garbage points it's easy to be efficient, just remember when teams start defending him and throwing double team at him...lets see how efficient he will be.

Man you might be right up there with hero in terms of stupidity too. Not all o his points come off of putbacks, he scores a ton from the running hook in the lane.

Furthermore, if teams start sending the double, that would be great, as we can finally start to play some true inside-out basketball, get more plays going where guard cut to the basket, etc.

But none of this will ever happen, if JV is reduced to 20 minutes a game and 3 fga. Furthermore, it would take a TON of missed shots for JV to fall to Demar's and Lowry's current fg%. I personally don't see how giving more shots to inefficient players helps your team win.

That said, I'm not saying JV should shoot 20+ a game, but when your starting guards are taking almost 50 shots, and your starting center only has 3, that's a huge problem. And that problem becomes even more glaring when we play defenses who guard the perimeter well, such as Milwaukee and Charlotte.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#260 » by deeps6x » Sat Mar 7, 2015 5:35 am

dballislife wrote:doesnt matter if u have a better team with better players...our opponents most often than not win have better coaching, have a better system, have better strategies and tactics, run better plays, manage the game and match up better...thats hard to overcome every night


I came on realgm to say almost the exact same thing. I guess you beat me to it.


I can't help feeling we have the better group of players almost every game, but consistently seem to have worse coaching.


Way too much iso ball tonight from the Raptors. The coach let the wrong players jack too many shots. But we still looked more lost on D than on O. Isn't that supposedly the one thing Casey was supposed to be good at?

Sigh.... can't wait to see what this team can do next year. Assuming MU can bring Amir and Sweet Lou back. I hope the rest of the league doesn't out bid MU for their services.
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