NBAPA Lawyer: Double standard exists regarding age limit for black basketball players and white athletes in other sports

[King Ken]

Hard to argue when you use once in a generation type talents.

Hard to argue period. Any other profession you can basically enter if you have the talent. But since black kids aren't responsible and mature enough they have to go to college and earn $7-8 million dollar contracts for their coaches, $2-4 million dollars for the athletic directors and hundreds of millions for the colleges first. Meanwhile, they have to risk injuring themselves before they can actually earn market value. Meanwhile, they have to thank colleges for giving them an education a lot of them never wanted.

And it doesn't have to be a generational player. Why should any player be asked to pass up even a "small" $X million dollar guaranteed contract to play for FREE for a University when they don't even want an education?

Basketball players aren't forced to go to the NCAA. They can go overseas. Why should a basketball coach who excels at developing players not be paid millions of dollars?

This is nonsense. If your a great .NET coder, you don't have to go to Dubai to practice your trade. If you are a Hollywood actor, you don't have to go to Nova Scotia to practice your trade. The documented success of HS to the NBA players before the rule change was more successful than college seniors in the NBA. That's a fact.

[ALL HAIL]

Basketball players aren't forced to go to the NCAA. They can go overseas. Why should a basketball coach who excels at developing players not be paid millions of dollars?

You're killing me Ty.

I think we both know I am far from a racist, ALL HAIL.

But this media propaganda angle being played by this lawyer for the Player's Union... is killing me!

You'll never even hear me using the word dude (racist). That word has been so overused, misused, misinterpreted, and bastardized that I just choose to never, ever use it again.

You're straight with me though dude. As far as the lawyer, it's definitely propaganda, but so is half the **** you're spewing in this thread homie.

[ALL HAIL]

You can't bar-tend unless you are 18. What about all the talented 14 year old bartenders who cannot make their fair market money by not being allowed to bar-tend?

If you are going to compare capitalism in the form of inventing a product to seeking an employment with an organization (NBA), then I'd like to question the place that gave you a law degree.

Pretty sure the poster is in favor of a pre-high school ban ... and maybe you're just pointing out that age limits will always exist in sports in some form or fashion.

[TyCobb]

You're killing me Ty.

I think we both know I am far from a racist, ALL HAIL.

But this media propaganda angle being played by this lawyer for the Player's Union... is killing me!

You'll never even hear me using the word dude (racist). That word has been so overused, misused, misinterpreted, and bastardized that I just choose to never, ever use it again.

You're straight with me though dude. As far as the lawyer, it's definitely propaganda, but so is half the **** you're spewing in this thread homie.

So I'm against student-athletes? Check my first post in this entire thread. I said there should be a minor league system if they want the age limit lowered. Hell, that could even lead to a baseball type of model where you do have longer club control in the beginning and a open market, with no-salary cap, for the players who make it to free agency.

I don't care about the age-limit one way or another, but I do care about the supposed lack of opportunity given to these players because of the current rule in place.

[King Ken]

I think it's the real Ty Cobb posting

Ty is a knowledgeable Basketball poster but when it comes to personal or racial matters, he's more like the former. I think far too often whites don't realize we see things different. To us and our generation, racism is more about economics than anything. Businesses, opportunities and what not. They still think it's about a word or saying names. It's about action, it was always about action. It's more of a system nowadays but @Ty, the logic you are using is extremely racist to today's Blacks. EXTREMELY.

[Slava]

You can't bar-tend unless you are 18. What about all the talented 14 year old bartenders who cannot make their fair market money by not being allowed to bar-tend?

If you are going to compare capitalism in the form of inventing a product to seeking an employment with an organization (NBA), then I'd like to question the place that gave you a law degree.

Pretty sure the poster is in favor of a pre-high school ban ... and maybe you're just pointing out that age limits will always exist in sports in some form or fashion.

NBA is an organization that can have its restrictions on who it wants employed. Ultimately they want to select athletes who are mature enough to work in an environment where the scrutiny is high and as such they might feel the need for an age limit. One cannot equate that to Steve Jobs or Zuckerberg dropping out of college, those guys were their own bosses and did not need a team to babysit them.

I remember stories about how the Wizards had a 24 hr caretaker for Kwame Brown when they drafted him, I mean a dude just lived with Kwame, did his grocery shopping, laundry etc to make sure Kwame learns how to live on his own, away from his mama for the first time. Does the league want that kind of responsibility again? They obviously didn't think it was worth and hence the age limit.

[Kevin Johnson]

Hard to argue when you use once in a generation type talents.

Hard to argue period. Any other profession you can basically enter if you have the talent. But since black kids aren't responsible and mature enough they have to go to college and earn $7-8 million dollar contracts for their coaches, $2-4 million dollars for the athletic directors and hundreds of millions for the colleges first. Meanwhile, they have to risk injuring themselves before they can actually earn market value. Meanwhile, they have to thank colleges for giving them an education a lot of them never wanted.

And it doesn't have to be a generational player. Why should any player be asked to pass up even a "small" $X million dollar guaranteed contract to play for FREE for a University when they don't even want an education?

Basketball players aren't forced to go to the NCAA. They can go overseas. Why should a basketball coach who excels at developing players not be paid millions of dollars?

You know there is a supreme court ruling that already saying that the NBA cannot force players to wait four years after high school to enter the NBA right because it was a violation of an anti-trust act and it takes away from a players career.

The NBPA seems to give in to X number of years in its bargaining and since it's an union all players have to accept it. But your reasoning that players should be forced to go overseas or other people's opinion that the NBA is a monopoly and can do whatever it likes about who enters is not how the supreme court has ruled in the past.

As for schools getting $15 million per year in revenue, coaches getting $5 million, athletic directors getting millions - while player who don't even want an education get bamboozled with free tuition, boarding and food while they are the one's generating the revenue? You might see that as fair but I see that as the NCAA disingenuously representing itself as something it is not basically robbing a lot of athletes of significant compensation for revenue that they generated.

[King Ken]

The big reason why Whites can't understand what racism or systematic white supremacy is because it doesn't effect them negatively and it's not their problem. I agree with the NBAPA lawyer. It's 100% racist and she's right, it wouldn't happen if a majority of the players were white. Of course, that's a hypothetical but in this system, beating on white justice and Black injustice is as accurate as the Generals losing to the Globetrotters.

[ALL HAIL]

You can't bar-tend unless you are 18. What about all the talented 14 year old bartenders who cannot make their fair market money by not being allowed to bar-tend?

If you are going to compare capitalism in the form of inventing a product to seeking an employment with an organization (NBA), then I'd like to question the place that gave you a law degree.

Pretty sure the poster is in favor of a pre-high school ban ... and maybe you're just pointing out that age limits will always exist in sports in some form or fashion.

NBA is an organization that can have its restrictions on who it wants employed. Ultimately they want to select athletes who are mature enough to work in an environment where the scrutiny is high and as such they might feel the need for an age limit. One cannot equate that to Steve Jobs or Zuckerberg dropping out of college, those guys were their own bosses and did not need a team to babysit them.

I remember stories about how the Wizards had a 24 hr caretaker for Kwame Brown when they drafted him, I mean a dude just lived with Kwame, did his grocery shopping, laundry etc to make sure Kwame learns how to live on his own, away from his mama for the first time. Does the league want that kind of responsibility again? They obviously didn't think it was worth and hence the age limit.

Trust me, I hear you, but if you take Ty's angle, I'd say that no one is making GMs select these guys.

Ty says "go overseas". I say "draft a more mature player".

[RSCD3_]

The obvious solution to avoid black oppression by the racist white owners is to segregate the NBA

The western conference will be all black
The eastern conference will be all white

[thelead]

The big reason why Whites can't understand what racism or systematic white supremacy is because it doesn't effect them negatively and it's not their problem. I agree with the NBAPA lawyer. It's 100% racist and she's right, it wouldn't happen if a majority of the players were white. Of course, that's a hypothetical but in this system, beating on white justice and Black injustice is as accurate as the Generals losing to the Globetrotters.

I'm not white, have personally experienced racism, and find this statement stupid. This ish has NOTHING to do with race and ALL to do with $$$$.

[King Ken]

You can't bar-tend unless you are 18. What about all the talented 14 year old bartenders who cannot make their fair market money by not being allowed to bar-tend?

If you are going to compare capitalism in the form of inventing a product to seeking an employment with an organization (NBA), then I'd like to question the place that gave you a law degree.

Pretty sure the poster is in favor of a pre-high school ban ... and maybe you're just pointing out that age limits will always exist in sports in some form or fashion.

NBA is an organization that can have its restrictions on who it wants employed. Ultimately they want to select athletes who are mature enough to work in an environment where the scrutiny is high and as such they might feel the need for an age limit. One cannot equate that to Steve Jobs or Zuckerberg dropping out of college, those guys were their own bosses and did not need a team to babysit them.

I remember stories about how the Wizards had a 24 hr caretaker for Kwame Brown when they drafted him, I mean a dude just lived with Kwame, did his grocery shopping, laundry etc to make sure Kwame learns how to live on his own, away from his mama for the first time. Does the league want that kind of responsibility again? They obviously didn't think it was worth and hence the age limit.

There is a governing body and the NBA can't completely restrict their workforce as there is an union and in this case, a documented history of success with the noted. One can equate this to Steve Jobs and Zuckerberg as well as leagues globally and how they lack an age limit above the age of 18 in 99% of leagues. Even your own minor league allows 18 year olds. So there is an argument to be had.

[Slava]

Pretty sure the poster is in favor of a pre-high school ban ... and maybe you're just pointing out that age limits will always exist in sports in some form or fashion.

NBA is an organization that can have its restrictions on who it wants employed. Ultimately they want to select athletes who are mature enough to work in an environment where the scrutiny is high and as such they might feel the need for an age limit. One cannot equate that to Steve Jobs or Zuckerberg dropping out of college, those guys were their own bosses and did not need a team to babysit them.

I remember stories about how the Wizards had a 24 hr caretaker for Kwame Brown when they drafted him, I mean a dude just lived with Kwame, did his grocery shopping, laundry etc to make sure Kwame learns how to live on his own, away from his mama for the first time. Does the league want that kind of responsibility again? They obviously didn't think it was worth and hence the age limit.

Trust me, I hear you, but if you take Ty's angle, I'd say that no one is making GMs select these guys.

Ty says "go overseas". I say "draft a more mature player".

NBA has made rules to protect GMs from their own stupidity time and again, like the Stepien rule, max durations for contracts and so on. This is no different.

[TyCobb]

I think it's the real Ty Cobb posting

Ty is a knowledgeable Basketball poster but when it comes to personal or racial matters, he's more like the former. I think far too often whites don't realize we see things different. To us and our generation, racism is more about economics than anything. Businesses, opportunities and what not. They still think it's about a word or saying names. It's about action, it was always about action. It's more of a system nowadays but @Ty, the logic you are using is extremely racist to today's Blacks. EXTREMELY.

Breaking news: White people can come from low-income households too.

[Kevin Johnson]

NBA is an organization that can have its restrictions on who it wants employed. Ultimately they want to select athletes who are mature enough to work in an environment where the scrutiny is high and as such they might feel the need for an age limit..

Again, I urge people to look up the supreme court ruling where they ruled against that NBA referencing the Sherman Antitrust act. The NBA cannot just say, players have to wait X number of years after high school. There is a precedent against it.

The only reason the NBA has the minimum age rule is because of CBA with the NBAPA. Since all players are in the Union, it comes up in the age limit is agreed upon in the bargaining agreement.

[King Ken]

The big reason why Whites can't understand what racism or systematic white supremacy is because it doesn't effect them negatively and it's not their problem. I agree with the NBAPA lawyer. It's 100% racist and she's right, it wouldn't happen if a majority of the players were white. Of course, that's a hypothetical but in this system, beating on white justice and Black injustice is as accurate as the Generals losing to the Globetrotters.

I'm not white, have personally experienced racism, and find this statement stupid. This ish has NOTHING to do with race and ALL to do with $$$$.

Please tell me how it is stupid? This has everything to do with race. EVERYTHING. You have half of the future HOF's from the previous recent generation and some current from high school. Your biggest star came out of high school and you tell me this is about $$$. Money for who? It's not the players. I wish some posters would shut the hell up if they don't know what they are talking about. I think we should have a ban on all non-Black people having an opinion on what is about racism. It's clear, they don't have a damn clue. An absolutely utterly disgusting post by thelead.

Say something about Hispanics in a group even if their name isn't mention like immigration and they will call it out ASAP. But about Blacks, it's not about race, it's about ____ (fill in the damn blank)

[Damon_3388]

Forget the NBA how about the NFL, where an athlete have to spend 4 years in some NCAA penitentiary before they can earn money for their services. The difference is that the NFL does not have any competition, apart from semi-pro leagues like Arena and the CFL, these football athletes have no other sporting options that can make them earn a good living.

The fact that you're equating going to college to being imprisoned shows what is wrong with the mindset of a lot of these young guys in the first place.

[knicks512]

this is what you people wanted.

What do you mean "you people"??

[King Ken]

I think it's the real Ty Cobb posting

Ty is a knowledgeable Basketball poster but when it comes to personal or racial matters, he's more like the former. I think far too often whites don't realize we see things different. To us and our generation, racism is more about economics than anything. Businesses, opportunities and what not. They still think it's about a word or saying names. It's about action, it was always about action. It's more of a system nowadays but @Ty, the logic you are using is extremely racist to today's Blacks. EXTREMELY.

Breaking news: White people can come from low-income households too.

Breaking news: Systematic White supremacy effects all Black people, not just low-income households. That's a nonsensical take from my analysis and one that wasn't made.

http://madamenoire.com/515264/sharpton- ... -goes-off/

I can post numbers, stats, percentages, opinions and unjust facts all day but this is about NBA age limit and how it unfairly it is compared to their majority white contemporaries in other similar sports.

[ALL HAIL]

Forget the NBA how about the NFL, where an athlete have to spend 4 years in some NCAA penitentiary before they can earn money for their services. The difference is that the NFL does not have any competition, apart from semi-pro leagues like Arena and the CFL, these football athletes have no other sporting options that can make them earn a good living.

The fact that you're equating going to college to being imprisoned shows what is wrong with the mindset of a lot of these young guys in the first place.

I'm in favor of an age limit, but you CLEARLY don't get it. It's this type of stubborn, finite understanding that encourages and oftentimes promotes a communication divide. It's too bad.