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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#281 » by cruwinas » Sat Mar 7, 2015 6:22 am

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cruwinas wrote:What reads? Watched DET - HOU, Harden with another triple double. That shooting guard knows what to do. When to shoot, when to pass, when to rest on offense. People see things differently.


Yeah, like the fact that Harden and DeRozan are different players. What Harden does doesn't change the fact that DeRozan was doing a great job of getting into the teeth of the defense and passing it out to open shooters this game.


Maybe for the fun of it one day I'll rewatch this horror spectacle.

Regarding DD I would rank his options with the ball in his hands following:

1. Option one: create shot for himself, no matter how difficult it could be.
2. Option two: drive to the basket trying to score or get fouled.
3. Option three: if he still has ball in his hands and options 1 and 2 are impossible - pass ball to anyone.

When Harden is on the floor and has a ball, he has only one option - to make a play which is the best for the 5 rockets on the floor. LBJ is a lot like that too.

While Kobe is DD on roids, HGH and whatever.

Maybe DD would play differently if Raptors were drilled in practice differently. And coach would manage game differently. But right now, Raptors play stagnant, ugly chucking hero ball for the most part. Or running like crazy and chucking whatever cause Casey is yapping at them.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#282 » by RedX » Sat Mar 7, 2015 6:25 am

until we start moving the ball this team is bottom 15 in the league. We aren't playing within ourselves at all, and all the team chemistry we developed last year seems to have been thrown out the window.

Demar has been playing better but still isn't playing to the style we need from him. Kyle has forgotten how to get assists. And Casey, as usual, enjoys screwing things up even further while continuing to bench out most reliable player for the entire 4th.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#283 » by dsquared » Sat Mar 7, 2015 6:29 am

RedX wrote:until we start moving the ball this team is bottom 15 in the league. We aren't playing within ourselves at all, and all the team chemistry we developed last year seems to have been thrown out the window.

Demar has been playing better but still isn't playing to the style we need from him. Kyle has forgotten how to get assists. And Casey, as usual, enjoys screwing things up even further while continuing to bench out most reliable player for the entire 4th.


This x1000.

Even Kyle isn't looking to create plays recently, btw wtf was that pass to JV he tried on the baseline. JV was clearly sealed off by Jefferson and he still tried to throw a bounce-pass in :noway:

We have no chemistry, coach has lost the team from what we are seeing on the court, everybody just doing whatever they want.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#284 » by Kabookalu » Sat Mar 7, 2015 6:30 am

cruwinas wrote:Maybe for the fun of it one day I'll rewatch this horror spectacle.

Regarding DD I would rank his options with the ball in his hands following:

1. Option one: create shot for himself, no matter how difficult it could be.
2. Option two: drive to the basket trying to score or get fouled.
3. Option three: if he still has ball in his hands and options 1 and 2 are impossible - pass ball to anyone.

When Harden is on the floor and has a ball, he has only one option - to make a play which is the best for the 5 rockets on the floor. LBJ is a lot like that too.


I honestly don't know if you've watched James Harden play. He's just as scoring oriented as DeRozan, the difference is that he's a significantly better shooter and he gets to the rim much better. And also that he's a better playmaker. Though if you took out Harden's name in that sentence, I wouldn't know which Houston player you were talking about.

In the general board Harden is the most hated player there, all because his game is aesthetically not pleasing to watch, and to a much higher degree, his flopping. His game is shoot a 3 pointer, drive/flop, and if he has to, pass it out to the open man. Rockets fans believe that he puts players in difficult situations sometimes because when his reckless drives to the basket doesn't work he'll just throw it to whoever is open with the shot clock close to zero. The difference between this year and last year is that Patrick Beverly and Trevor Ariza are better catch and shoot players than Lin and Parsons. Donatas has also been a fantastic recipient for corner 3 pointers and close baskets.

Harden ball is a thing there, and it's what we call Hero ball. Harden is just really good at doing what he does.

Not to discredit his playmaking ability, but his passing game is more of a result drawing attention and having the foresight to know where to pass to (to his credit, he's an accurate passer). Though when he has the ball, make no mistake, his first and second intention is to score or draw a foul.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#285 » by C_Money » Sat Mar 7, 2015 6:41 am

Death Knight wrote:
artsncrafts wrote:Jonas haters! Whats next, Sterner haters?


Jonas haters are only hating him to protect and apologize for Demar and Lowry. Simple as that.


There wouldn't be as many haters if the game threads wern't filled with "Where's JV???" 10 times a page.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#286 » by Death Knight » Sat Mar 7, 2015 7:02 am

C_Money wrote:
Death Knight wrote:
artsncrafts wrote:Jonas haters! Whats next, Sterner haters?


Jonas haters are only hating him to protect and apologize for Demar and Lowry. Simple as that.


There wouldn't be as many haters if the game threads wern't filled with "Where's JV???" 10 times a page.


Like it or not, it's justified. Both JV and James Johnson should be getting more minutes than they have been given.

We also keep hearing about how the Raptors need a back up C. That's actually quite laughable. How many minutes do you people think an incoming back up C would get if the starting C Valanciunas is already getting limited playing time?
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#287 » by RaptorNews » Sat Mar 7, 2015 7:07 am

Same thing that was happening two months ago keeps happening. Not surprised.

It's getting a little embarassing that people still prioritize the inefficent chuckers that don't play lick of defense over the 22 year old C who is the only hope that we will have anything to build on when this group inevitably fails and fails again
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#288 » by Rapsalot » Sat Mar 7, 2015 7:35 am

This team has no leadership or focus to say hey we got OKC and Spurs coming up lets tear some Hornet ass out there and put us in decent position. That's on coach but also lead players.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#289 » by raptor jesus » Sat Mar 7, 2015 8:06 am

J_Sky_G wrote:We are 14-16 since that Portland loss.


That 24-7 start has gone the way of Bargnani's fabled 13 game stretch; astonishing but unsustainable.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#290 » by Kabookalu » Sat Mar 7, 2015 8:09 am

raptor jesus wrote:
J_Sky_G wrote:We are 14-16 since that Portland loss.


That 24-7 start has gone the way of Bargnani's fabled 13 game stretch; astonishing but unsustainable.


That 24-7 didn't even really feel like a 24-7 start. Somehow we won games we just had no business of winning. That Boston game for one. Think we were outrebounded by 30 and still won.

Lowry at the very start of the season played just well enough that we won games. And then when DeRozan went down he turned into a superstar. Since then Lowry has been very mediocre, and nothing has been able to fill the void that he's left.




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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#291 » by Matty » Sat Mar 7, 2015 8:59 am

Choker wrote:
raptor jesus wrote:
J_Sky_G wrote:We are 14-16 since that Portland loss.


That 24-7 start has gone the way of Bargnani's fabled 13 game stretch; astonishing but unsustainable.


That 24-7 didn't even really feel like a 24-7 start. Somehow we won games we just had no business of winning. That Boston game for one. Think we were outrebounded by 30 and still won.

Lowry at the very start of the season played just well enough that we won games. And then when DeRozan went down he turned into a superstar. Since then Lowry has been very mediocre, and nothing has been able to fill the void that he's left.


We asked Lowry to shoulder the scoring load, which he did during that stretch, but that was asking for too much from him and you could sense that before he sat out he just wasn't as quick any more. Now that DeRozan has been exposed as a limited scorer, we need to go on the market and look for a real No.1 option that Lowry and crew can lean on.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#292 » by Bankai » Sat Mar 7, 2015 9:00 am

deeps6x wrote:
dballislife wrote:doesnt matter if u have a better team with better players...our opponents most often than not win have better coaching, have a better system, have better strategies and tactics, run better plays, manage the game and match up better...thats hard to overcome every night


I came on realgm to say almost the exact same thing. I guess you beat me to it.


I can't help feeling we have the better group of players almost every game, but consistently seem to have worse coaching.


Way too much iso ball tonight from the Raptors. The coach let the wrong players jack too many shots. But we still looked more lost on D than on O. Isn't that supposedly the one thing Casey was supposed to be good at?

Sigh.... can't wait to see what this team can do next year. Assuming MU can bring Amir and Sweet Lou back. I hope the rest of the league doesn't out bid MU for their services.

Seems like the people who claim that Casey haters are no where to be found after they win, don't look hard enough. It is no secret that Casey has had his fair share of haters since game 1. It didn't matter if the raptors were winning, anyone who criticised Casey saw that this team more often then not won games they had no business winning, the other team always looked like they deserved it more because they played better. Winning start did not change the fact that people were hoping that the poor play would be cleaned up. But it hasent and now the Raptors are being exposed. This team is poorly coached, they only won because they had to push themselves out of the hole that is Casey on their own, but at this point, they are too tired to do any more pushing. I can count on one hand the games where I felt the Raptors won because Casey made good decisions , plenty that were normally coached and the majority where I felt Casey was actively trying to make his team lose.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#293 » by Da1RealRapsFan » Sat Mar 7, 2015 9:18 am

A big thing for me is at the beginning of the year I remember matt and Jack and leo constantly pointing out how Lowry would make a point to feed Jonas in the post early.



so what happened? It's not like Casey told him to stop. A coach can only do so much and 90% of an nba coach is preparing before game, not what happens during the actual games.

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Post#294 » by Da1RealRapsFan » Sat Mar 7, 2015 9:27 am

cammac wrote:
Hero wrote:
UneducatedFan86 wrote:
Added the bold parts. Numbers without some context don't tell much.

Shoots a good %, gets to the line, gets rebound, gets a steal, gets blocks, plays the fewest minutes of the starters (during this stretch). Seems decently consistent to me.

Now, is it his fault he only is only getting a handful of shots a game? Maybe. Maybe he needs to demand the ball more. Maybe they need to run a few more plays for him. Who knows. It's not like he's shooting 10/12 one game and then 1/10 the next (like some players).

Let's look a bit deeper. Jonas numbers compared to the rest of team (players averaging 20min+):
PER GAME STATS:
tied for 4th in MPG with Patterson (26.4)
3rd in FG% (.564)
4th in FTA (3.7)
1st in ORB (2.4)
1st in DRB (6.0)
1st in TRB (8.7)
2nd in BLK (1.1)
4th in PTS (12.1)
tied for 4th in TOV with Vasquez (1.4)
ADVANCE STATS:
1st in PER (20.4)
2nd in TS% (.621)
1st in FTr (.461) yes, higher than Demar(.459).
1st in ORB% (11.7)
1st DRB% (26.5)
1st TRB% (19.1)
2nd BLK% (3.5)
5th USG% (18.9)
tied for 1st with Lowry in OWS (4.4)
1st in DWS (1.9)
1st in WS (6.3)
1st in WS/48 (.190)

For someone who "isn't" a factor to this team, he sure leads this team in a lot of stats. Not saying you said he wasn't a factor, just remarking on a previous comment by another poster.


57th by centers in real plus minus.

Top of the list are names like :

1 DeMarcus Cousins
2 Tyson Chandler
3 Hassan Whiteside
4 Andrew Bogut
5 Jusuf Nurkic
6 DeAndre Jordan
7 Marc Gasol MEM
8 Timofey Mozgov
9 Al Horford


Only a Hero would take any of the above over Jonas with the exception of Cousins and if you wanted to win a championship this year Gasol. Many games the chuckers bury the team in the 1st quarter then Jonas sits. Yes his + & - is bad but there are reasons.


I would take all those guys over Jonas currently. They all have more developed games by far.



It remains to be seen if Jonas can fulfill the potential we see in him but hassan white sides play > Jonas this year. Tyson chandler on this team would be **** huge.


Wouldn't take bout over him but even nurkic is above him in terms of having a developed post game.

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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#295 » by GoSu » Sat Mar 7, 2015 9:36 am

My mind can not comprehend what Casey is doing with the team, could it be that he actually loosing on purpose for the "favorable" seeding? It's getting ridiculous at this point, how is he not fired yet? :-?

Some gems through this thread:
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stro wrote:66 shots between DeRozan, Lowry, Ross and Williams.

3 shots for Jonas, 4 shots for Amir.

Clutch Carter wrote:Score with Val on the floor: 53-47 Raptors

Score with Val off the floor: 41-56 Hornets


And the dumbest poster on Raptors board award goes to....:
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UneducatedFan86 wrote:
Saciid11 wrote:
I just want him traded, so we don't have to deal with his fan boys ... bitching about the coach every lose and staying silent when we win ..and he was irrelevant in the win.


JV has been one of the most consistent players all season. I don't get why you hate on him so much....


Most consistent??? If that is the case then why is he getting no playing in the 4Q... Ohhh must be the coach, I guess. JV had few good games state wise, but to call that the most consistent is ridicules, our most consistent player has been Lowry. Lowry carried this team during Demar absence...


However lately Hero is rapidly falling to Saciid11's level of idiocy.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#296 » by Walid » Sat Mar 7, 2015 9:57 am

BrunoSkull wrote:Lowry+Demar+Ross+Lou+GV= 72 FGA

JV = 3 FGA

This is ugly basketball


Can the media grow a pair and ask Casey why the guards are getting more than 80% of the shots? Can they ever ask questions that get the casual fan thinking and press on the coaching staff? I have no idea why no one ever feels like discussing the real issues.
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Post#297 » by Da1RealRapsFan » Sat Mar 7, 2015 10:01 am

GoSu wrote:My mind can not comprehend what Casey is doing with the team, could it be that he actually loosing on purpose for the "favorable" seeding? It's getting ridiculous at this point, how is he not fired yet? :-?

Some gems through this thread:
LeafsRule67 wrote:Image


stro wrote:66 shots between DeRozan, Lowry, Ross and Williams.

3 shots for Jonas, 4 shots for Amir.

Clutch Carter wrote:Score with Val on the floor: 53-47 Raptors

Score with Val off the floor: 41-56 Hornets


And the dumbest poster on Raptors board award goes to....:
Saciid11 wrote:
UneducatedFan86 wrote:
JV has been one of the most consistent players all season. I don't get why you hate on him so much....


Most consistent??? If that is the case then why is he getting no playing in the 4Q... Ohhh must be the coach, I guess. JV had few good games state wise, but to call that the most consistent is ridicules, our most consistent player has been Lowry. Lowry carried this team during Demar absence...


However lately Hero is rapidly falling to Saciid11's level of idiocy.


Hero and Choker make rational logical points. Like those guys say "Jonas does not currently have the ability to do x but he's 22 and he will eventually because we belive in him."



Then some clown says they're hating. They are way more restrained and conservative in their statementa than the people lke you.

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Post#298 » by Da1RealRapsFan » Sat Mar 7, 2015 10:01 am

GoSu wrote:My mind can not comprehend what Casey is doing with the team, could it be that he actually loosing on purpose for the "favorable" seeding? It's getting ridiculous at this point, how is he not fired yet? :-?

Some gems through this thread:
LeafsRule67 wrote:Image


stro wrote:66 shots between DeRozan, Lowry, Ross and Williams.

3 shots for Jonas, 4 shots for Amir.

Clutch Carter wrote:Score with Val on the floor: 53-47 Raptors

Score with Val off the floor: 41-56 Hornets


And the dumbest poster on Raptors board award goes to....:
Saciid11 wrote:
UneducatedFan86 wrote:
JV has been one of the most consistent players all season. I don't get why you hate on him so much....


Most consistent??? If that is the case then why is he getting no playing in the 4Q... Ohhh must be the coach, I guess. JV had few good games state wise, but to call that the most consistent is ridicules, our most consistent player has been Lowry. Lowry carried this team during Demar absence...


However lately Hero is rapidly falling to Saciid11's level of idiocy.


Hero and Choker make rational logical points. Like those guys say "Jonas does not currently have the ability to do x but he's 22 and he will eventually because we belive in him."



Then some clown says they're hating. They are way more restrained and conservative in their statementa than the people lke you.

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Post#299 » by Naija Boy » Sat Mar 7, 2015 12:13 pm

60 shots from our guards last night (DD, Lowry, GV, Lou)...

3 from Jonas...

Yeah that is not ok.
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Re: PG: Bobcats beat LOLters 

Post#300 » by Slim_Charles » Sat Mar 7, 2015 12:16 pm

Sik Infant wrote:Casey even pisses me off.

Good luck guys, your coach is an idiot.

you'll be fine once he's on unemployment street.

Good luck with the rest of your season.


Thank you! Casey does need to leave!

Btw - I think the Hornets have the best jerseys in the league.
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