What are the Sixers doing?

[psualltheway5]

Spoiler:

Nice try but massive fail. Please point to one article or quote or story of Hinkie saying he wanted Wiggins? Why would Hinkie be upset with getting the top prospect in Embiid?

And what's your team's poor excuse for being back in the lottery again and only having six more wins than us? So your team is barely better than D Leaguers? That's a YOU problem and is more of an indictment on your team.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/spor ... ggins.html

A league source told the Daily News this afternoon that the 76ers "really, really, really want Andrew Wiggins" and are doing all they can to try and trade for the No. 1 overall pick

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... w-wiggins/

Andrew Wiggins wants to play for the 76ers, according to Marc J. Spears of Yahoo Sports.And the 76ers apparently want him.
They’re looking into trading up from their No. 3 pick and bringing Wiggins to Philadelphia.

http://au.ibtimes.com/2014-nba-draft-ne ... ns-1344232

How bad do the Sixers want Wiggins? According to an ESPN report, Philadelphia has inquired about an exchange with the Cavaliers’ first pick and is willing to give up their No. 3 pick and power forward Thaddeus Young in exchange for the top pick in the 2014 NBA Draft set on June 26.

REAL GM WIRETAP LOL

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ew-Wiggins

According to sources, the 76ers are trying to do whatever they can to draft Wiggins.The 76ers own the third overall pick and are willing to move up by offering that pick and Thaddeus Young for the right to draft Wiggins.

So, to review the quotes from Hinkie are not from Hinkie at all? You sure ... oh wait, no.

There was considerable rumors that the Sixers wanted Wiggins. And there were considerable rumors that the Sixers really wanted Embiid. And there were just about none that the team wanted Jabari.

At the end of the day, the most definitive commentary I have seen on it comes from Woj, who had the Sixers not offering 3 and 10 and not looking to move up to 1 at all. Which matches what Hinkie said post draft about feeling lucky when Embiid got injured in that it could drop him and they had a shot at him like with Noel.

You can pick philly.com (and Chad Ford) over Woj, but I wouldn't. The track record when making statements about what Philly wants is really awful, both with rumors and with real transactions (like when reporting things like Bennett's inclusion in the Thad trade).

As it currently stands, the local press have very little insight into the secretive GM's thinking, and the amount of frustration over this has filled more than a few articles. Chad Ford saying the Sixers wanted Wiggins is a much better source than the local media, and given his track record, that says a lot.

I think its definitely possible that Philly wanted either, or even Jabari. So far, every move Philly has made has shocked the coverage of the team. So, anyone saying they knew what Philly was thinking is wrong.

I give you credit for responding to the guy, even after posting a philly.com article about the Sixers, LOL.

[Sixerscan]

Exactly right.

I just think this is an mental exercise in wishful thinking for the Sixers. The lottery system is designed to give really low odds to getting the exact pick you want, and there is a further erosion of value in the draft due to injuries, young players not developing, developing bad habits (on or off the court), and flat out bust draft picks. The best of the best type talents are so rare and slippery that it's kind of like the California gold rush mentality. Sure some types you'll catch a golden nugget or two... but without all the right equipment (a functional team environment, vet role players, coaching, etc.) a lot of these gold digging operations come up bust.

We'll see what Embiid turns out to be and how that impacts Hinkie's level of urgency. But at this stage in the "experiment" (or less kindly, Ponzi Scheme) it's impossible to say how it'll turn out. Two years away, from being two years away.

Yeah, and to be clear, the idea of Hinkie deciding on day one that he's going to pull a Ponzi scheme on a bunch of billionaire hedge fund experts just so he can keep his job for an extra year or two is hilarious.

I think the people that think it's definitely going to work out are engaging in wishful thinking.

But I think the people that think it was the best plan of action considering where we were post Bynum trade, then Embiid being injured but still the best guy available at #3 in the draft, etc are being fairly reasonable.

I don't think the plan involves "getting the exact pick you want," it involves some actions and the expected value that comes from that action.

LMAO

So true.

I don't even think it's a bad plan... it's just a very difficult proposition to find the right talents and actually surround that player or players with an environment that will make him want to stay and win with your franchise. It's not just talent that counts... it's talent, plus environment, plus leadership. Then you have to throw in some luck...

Any path you go to rebuild a team in the NBA is fraught with perils. But as a C's fan I just don't trust the lottery system. So maybe I'm biased against it.... but also, I just think of talent as dispersed more broadly and that a lot of this identifying and drafting of players is much more of a journey of the heart than it is something that can entirely be figured out through analytical observation and accounting.

Yep it's going to be extremely difficult, I just think the counter is that every other option that we had was even more fraught with perils. Bynum trade just put us in an awful situation.

[psualltheway5]

Yeah, and to be clear, the idea of Hinkie deciding on day one that he's going to pull a Ponzi scheme on a bunch of billionaire hedge fund experts just so he can keep his job for an extra year or two is hilarious.

I think the people that think it's definitely going to work out are engaging in wishful thinking.

But I think the people that think it was the best plan of action considering where we were post Bynum trade, then Embiid being injured but still the best guy available at #3 in the draft, etc are being fairly reasonable.

I don't think the plan involves "getting the exact pick you want," it involves some actions and the expected value that comes from that action.

LMAO

So true.

I don't even think it's a bad plan... it's just a very difficult proposition to find the right talents and actually surround that player or players with an environment that will make him want to stay and win with your franchise. It's not just talent that counts... it's talent, plus environment, plus leadership. Then you have to throw in some luck...

Any path you go to rebuild a team in the NBA is fraught with perils. But as a C's fan I just don't trust the lottery system. So maybe I'm biased against it.... but also, I just think of talent as dispersed more broadly and that a lot of this identifying and drafting of players is much more of a journey of the heart than it is something that can entirely be figured out through analytical observation and accounting.

Yep it's going to be extremely difficult, I just think the counter is that every other option that we had was even more fraught with perils. Bynum trade just put us in an awful situation.

Don't forget with more draft picks, more chance to hit on a star (by trade, draft, etc.)

[Mik317]

people wonder why Sixers fans are so defensive?

Its because all of the criticism is full of ignorance and generally false ****. Or worse opinions disguised as facts.

Lets say there was this article about Oladipo not being happy about not being the PG and thus unhappy, that is based of of false ****...and yet in every Magic thread it keeps being brought up like it was true.

Again, I think it is best that some people don't speak on things they obviously don't know about. You can dislike Hinkie and his plan...but if you are going to do so..make sure you know what the hell you are talking about.

[humblebum]

Yeah, and to be clear, the idea of Hinkie deciding on day one that he's going to pull a Ponzi scheme on a bunch of billionaire hedge fund experts just so he can keep his job for an extra year or two is hilarious.

I think the people that think it's definitely going to work out are engaging in wishful thinking.

But I think the people that think it was the best plan of action considering where we were post Bynum trade, then Embiid being injured but still the best guy available at #3 in the draft, etc are being fairly reasonable.

I don't think the plan involves "getting the exact pick you want," it involves some actions and the expected value that comes from that action.

LMAO

So true.

I don't even think it's a bad plan... it's just a very difficult proposition to find the right talents and actually surround that player or players with an environment that will make him want to stay and win with your franchise. It's not just talent that counts... it's talent, plus environment, plus leadership. Then you have to throw in some luck...

Any path you go to rebuild a team in the NBA is fraught with perils. But as a C's fan I just don't trust the lottery system. So maybe I'm biased against it.... but also, I just think of talent as dispersed more broadly and that a lot of this identifying and drafting of players is much more of a journey of the heart than it is something that can entirely be figured out through analytical observation and accounting.

Yep it's going to be extremely difficult, I just think the counter is that every other option that we had was even more fraught with perils. Bynum trade just put us in an awful situation.

Yeah, I've definitely read and vibed with the "method to Philly's tank mania". I have no problem with it, and frankly I didn't buy into the MCW thing so I don't view that as a step back. Brett Brown seems to have the Sixers playing hard. Like Covington and think Noel can be a useful piece. Intrigued by Embiid's potential. It'll be great to see when they go from collecting, to committing to a core. But either way I got my popcorn out.

One thing is for certain, a good Sixers team is great for the Atlantic and great for the NBA. So I kind of, underhandedly rooting for you guys as a Celtics fan.

[Sixerscan]

LMAO

So true.

I don't even think it's a bad plan... it's just a very difficult proposition to find the right talents and actually surround that player or players with an environment that will make him want to stay and win with your franchise. It's not just talent that counts... it's talent, plus environment, plus leadership. Then you have to throw in some luck...

Any path you go to rebuild a team in the NBA is fraught with perils. But as a C's fan I just don't trust the lottery system. So maybe I'm biased against it.... but also, I just think of talent as dispersed more broadly and that a lot of this identifying and drafting of players is much more of a journey of the heart than it is something that can entirely be figured out through analytical observation and accounting.

Yep it's going to be extremely difficult, I just think the counter is that every other option that we had was even more fraught with perils. Bynum trade just put us in an awful situation.

Yeah, I've definitely read and vibed with the "method to Philly's tank mania". I have no problem with it, and frankly I didn't buy into the MCW thing so I don't view that as a step back. Brett Brown seems to have the Sixers playing hard. Like Covington and think Noel can be a useful piece. Intrigued by Embiid's potential. It'll be great to see when they go from collecting, to committing to a core. But either way I got my popcorn out.

One thing is for certain, a good Sixers team is great for the Atlantic and great for the NBA. So I kind of, underhandedly rooting for you guys as a Celtics fan.

Thanks, that 2012 series reminded all of us how much fun it is when Atlantic division teams are competent and battling each other in the playoffs. Hopefully it happens again soon, it's been a long 25 years or so.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

I just see it as a potential problem drafting top 5 picks and having to try to pay all of them after 3 years

[GreatWhiteStiff]

Can you please or someone rationalize the pyramid scheme analogy for me? Doesn't make any sense.

When I called it sort of a pyramid scheme it is because you trade for a draft pick, then trade that player you picked for a draft pick the next year and so on and so on. In the end you are always trading for the next pick and never actually cashing in on the previous picks because you traded them. So you are always working on potential and never have to worry about actually winning games. The only winner would be Hinkie in this situation because he would continue to get paid for his job when he isn't improving the team, just getting the next pick and selling people on the future.

Of course I don't believe he is actually doing this. He probably thinks he has some great formula, and maybe he does. But if he doesn't do some sort of moneyball magic, actually better than moneyball magic cuz the As never actually won anything I don't think, Hinkie will be exposed and thought of as a charlatan. Basically, there will either be a Hollywood movie of the Philadelphia Experiment or Charles Barkley will take the GM job from him.

FWIW I think that'd be more a Ponzi scheme than a pyramid scheme.

Hinkie is the hub, asking the same people (the Sixers owners) to reinvest year after year, etc.

Ponzi schemes you actually get a good return on your investment, and are profitable (for the guy running them) by getting more and more investors to pay out previous investors their 15%. This is like getting negative return, but promising very positive future returns to make up for it. I guess its kind of like the tale 'the emperor's new clothes" except where the emperor admits he's naked, but is excited about the fine threads he'll be wearing in the future.

Wow, I'm lame.

[LloydFree]

I just see it as a potential problem drafting top 5 picks and having to try to pay all of them after 3 years

Having too many talented young players is only a problem if you are Sam Presti.

[Big A All Day]

Spoiler:

Nice try but massive fail. Please point to one article or quote or story of Hinkie saying he wanted Wiggins? Why would Hinkie be upset with getting the top prospect in Embiid?

And what's your team's poor excuse for being back in the lottery again and only having six more wins than us? So your team is barely better than D Leaguers? That's a YOU problem and is more of an indictment on your team.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/spor ... ggins.html

A league source told the Daily News this afternoon that the 76ers "really, really, really want Andrew Wiggins" and are doing all they can to try and trade for the No. 1 overall pick

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... w-wiggins/

Andrew Wiggins wants to play for the 76ers, according to Marc J. Spears of Yahoo Sports.And the 76ers apparently want him.
They’re looking into trading up from their No. 3 pick and bringing Wiggins to Philadelphia.

http://au.ibtimes.com/2014-nba-draft-ne ... ns-1344232

How bad do the Sixers want Wiggins? According to an ESPN report, Philadelphia has inquired about an exchange with the Cavaliers’ first pick and is willing to give up their No. 3 pick and power forward Thaddeus Young in exchange for the top pick in the 2014 NBA Draft set on June 26.

REAL GM WIRETAP LOL

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ew-Wiggins

According to sources, the 76ers are trying to do whatever they can to draft Wiggins.The 76ers own the third overall pick and are willing to move up by offering that pick and Thaddeus Young for the right to draft Wiggins.

So, to review the quotes from Hinkie are not from Hinkie at all? You sure ... oh wait, no.

There was considerable rumors that the Sixers wanted Wiggins. And there were considerable rumors that the Sixers really wanted Embiid. And there were just about none that the team wanted Jabari.

At the end of the day, the most definitive commentary I have seen on it comes from Woj, who had the Sixers not offering 3 and 10 and not looking to move up to 1 at all. Which matches what Hinkie said post draft about feeling lucky when Embiid got injured in that it could drop him and they had a shot at him like with Noel.

You can pick philly.com (and Chad Ford) over Woj, but I wouldn't. The track record when making statements about what Philly wants is really awful, both with rumors and with real transactions (like when reporting things like Bennett's inclusion in the Thad trade).

As it currently stands, the local press have very little insight into the secretive GM's thinking, and the amount of frustration over this has filled more than a few articles. Chad Ford saying the Sixers wanted Wiggins is a much better source than the local media, and given his track record, that says a lot.

I think its definitely possible that Philly wanted either, or even Jabari. So far, every move Philly has made has shocked the coverage of the team. So, anyone saying they knew what Philly was thinking is wrong.

Of course the quotes are not directly from Hinkie that would be pretty stupid considering he's the GM of the team don't u think? How would a GM look coming out before the draft and saying "_____ is my guy and I'm gonna do everything I can to get him." That would kill their chances at any potential trades as the other team would just rip them off.

Woj reported multiple things. At first he reported the sixers were actively trying to trade for the number one pick and then later that actually weren't. Nobody knows what actually happened. The sixers could've been trying to get that #1 pick in the most hyped draft in a long time or I guess it couldve been some elaborate smokescreen. If it was just a smokescreen I don't see the purpose of it tho because Embiid was going to fall to 3 anyways.

[psualltheway5]

Spoiler:

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/spor ... ggins.html



http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... w-wiggins/



http://au.ibtimes.com/2014-nba-draft-ne ... ns-1344232



REAL GM WIRETAP LOL

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ew-Wiggins

So, to review the quotes from Hinkie are not from Hinkie at all? You sure ... oh wait, no.

There was considerable rumors that the Sixers wanted Wiggins. And there were considerable rumors that the Sixers really wanted Embiid. And there were just about none that the team wanted Jabari.

At the end of the day, the most definitive commentary I have seen on it comes from Woj, who had the Sixers not offering 3 and 10 and not looking to move up to 1 at all. Which matches what Hinkie said post draft about feeling lucky when Embiid got injured in that it could drop him and they had a shot at him like with Noel.

You can pick philly.com (and Chad Ford) over Woj, but I wouldn't. The track record when making statements about what Philly wants is really awful, both with rumors and with real transactions (like when reporting things like Bennett's inclusion in the Thad trade).

As it currently stands, the local press have very little insight into the secretive GM's thinking, and the amount of frustration over this has filled more than a few articles. Chad Ford saying the Sixers wanted Wiggins is a much better source than the local media, and given his track record, that says a lot.

I think its definitely possible that Philly wanted either, or even Jabari. So far, every move Philly has made has shocked the coverage of the team. So, anyone saying they knew what Philly was thinking is wrong.

Of course the quotes are not directly from Hinkie that would be pretty stupid considering he's the GM of the team don't u think?. How would a GM look coming out before the draft and saying "_____ is my guy and I'm gonna do everything I can to get him."? That would kill their chances at any potential trades as the other team would just rip them off.

Woj reported multiple things. At first he reported the sixers were actively trying to trade for the number one pick and then later that actually weren't. Nobody knows what actually happened. The sixers could've been trying to get that #1 pick in the most hyped draft in a long time or I guess it couldve been some elaborate smokescreen. If it was just a smokescreen I don't see the purpose of it tho because Embiid was going to fall to 3 anyways.

What you don't seem to get is how much of a joke local Philly media is. Hinkie is silent, absolutely silent. Similar to Belichick silent, but even more so because he isn't required to talk. Hinkie doesn't say or leak anything. Everything you have posted in regards to the "smoke" of wanting Wiggins was simply from the local blowhards like Howard Eskin, hoping that what he throws will stick to the wall in hopes of revitalizing his pathetic career. Hinkie's silence bothers the local media, and the local media tries to get back at him by posting lame articles with hot takes similar to that of a 3rd grader.

It's tough to find a good link, but listen to this, as Spike Eskin (Howard's son) tries to defend the Sixers, the radio hosts lose it.
http://muckrack.com/link/d0Gu/listen-bi ... ia-silence

Listening to that link alone actually does justice for just how unfortunate we are in Philadelphia to have a cesspool of journalism novices.

Basically, the media hates Hinkie, a whole whole lot, and most of these stories are made up.

(EDIT: And ironically, Spike Eskin once saved the life of Angelo Cataldi, the male host who argues with him. He was choking on a cheesesteak while dancing and Spike gave him CPR. Can't make any of this up, LOL.)

[HartfordWhalers]

...

So, we had the gotcha meme. But now you agree that the most respected guy in hoops for teasing out what really happened says it didn't. After that, there really isn't much to say.

But since you bring up the issue of Sixers smokescreens in the 2014 draft as something unlikely, I think you should go back and look at how the Sixers draft went in its entirety. It might be enlightening.

[Big A All Day]

people wonder why Sixers fans are so defensive?

Its because all of the criticism is full of ignorance and generally false ****. Or worse opinions disguised as facts.

Lets say there was this article about Oladipo not being happy about not being the PG and thus unhappy, that is based of of false ****...and yet in every Magic thread it keeps being brought up like it was true.

Again, I think it is best that some people don't speak on things they obviously don't know about. You can dislike Hinkie and his plan...but if you are going to do so..make sure you know what the hell you are talking about.

Honestly if there was a article about Oladipo not being happy playing PG I'd have to agree with it because it's actually believable. Anybody who has watched him play knows he is a SG so it's not that farfetched.

I can tell what I wouldn't do tho and that's go around getting all defensive and calling everybody who brought it up a hater.

[Unbreakable99]

Because I Don't respect the way the the sixers are going about it. You've got teams out there (like the magic) who are trying, but just aren't very good yet, and then you have the the sixers who trade away everybody and put a team full of D-Leaguers on the court while hoping a praying to get the #1 pick.

The funny part is you guys wanted Wiggins so bad last year and that didn't work out but Hinkies back @ it again. At least we can all say the dudes persistent lol.

Nice try but massive fail. Please point to one article or quote or story of Hinkie saying he wanted Wiggins? Why would Hinkie be upset with getting the top prospect in Embiid?

And what's your team's poor excuse for being back in the lottery again and only having six more wins than us? So your team is barely better than D Leaguers? That's a YOU problem and is more of an indictment on your team.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/spor ... ggins.html

A league source told the Daily News this afternoon that the 76ers "really, really, really want Andrew Wiggins" and are doing all they can to try and trade for the No. 1 overall pick

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... w-wiggins/

Andrew Wiggins wants to play for the 76ers, according to Marc J. Spears of Yahoo Sports.And the 76ers apparently want him.
They’re looking into trading up from their No. 3 pick and bringing Wiggins to Philadelphia.

http://au.ibtimes.com/2014-nba-draft-ne ... ns-1344232

How bad do the Sixers want Wiggins? According to an ESPN report, Philadelphia has inquired about an exchange with the Cavaliers’ first pick and is willing to give up their No. 3 pick and power forward Thaddeus Young in exchange for the top pick in the 2014 NBA Draft set on June 26.

REAL GM WIRETAP LOL

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ew-Wiggins

According to sources, the 76ers are trying to do whatever they can to draft Wiggins.The 76ers own the third overall pick and are willing to move up by offering that pick and Thaddeus Young for the right to draft Wiggins.

Lol. I was waiting for those links. So you admit there is nothing from Hinkie saying he wanted Wiggins as his top choice. Thank you.

And the Cavs GM was asked after the draft of the Sixers tried to trade up for the top pick and he said no. Thanks for playing.

[ratrac]

I just see it as a potential problem drafting top 5 picks and having to try to pay all of them after 3 years

That's one of the hidden values of trading away MCW (also Saric playing in Europe), otherwise we would've had 2 years in a row 2 big contracts to throw (both Noel and MCW will definitely get some big money, most likely same thing for Embiid and Saric, although right now it's just a prediction).

[Big A All Day]

...

So, we had the gotcha meme. But now you agree that the most respected guy in hoops for teasing out what really happened says it didn't. After that, there really isn't much to say.

But since you bring up the issue of Sixers smokescreens in the 2014 draft as something unlikely, I think you should go back and look at how the Sixers draft went in its entirety. It might be enlightening.

Lol nice low key jab @ the magic there for the Payton trade. Honestly that was a really good move on Hinkies part and i do agree that he got one over on Hennigan. Because of the protections on that pick tho (top 11) it was much more valuable to philly than it was to Orlando.

We all know that you guys will still be rebuilding for like the next 10 years and won't be good enough to get a pick outside of the top 11 so it would've just turned into 2 seconds anyways

[Unbreakable99]

Spoiler:

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/spor ... ggins.html



http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... w-wiggins/



http://au.ibtimes.com/2014-nba-draft-ne ... ns-1344232



REAL GM WIRETAP LOL

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ew-Wiggins

So, to review the quotes from Hinkie are not from Hinkie at all? You sure ... oh wait, no.

There was considerable rumors that the Sixers wanted Wiggins. And there were considerable rumors that the Sixers really wanted Embiid. And there were just about none that the team wanted Jabari.

At the end of the day, the most definitive commentary I have seen on it comes from Woj, who had the Sixers not offering 3 and 10 and not looking to move up to 1 at all. Which matches what Hinkie said post draft about feeling lucky when Embiid got injured in that it could drop him and they had a shot at him like with Noel.

You can pick philly.com (and Chad Ford) over Woj, but I wouldn't. The track record when making statements about what Philly wants is really awful, both with rumors and with real transactions (like when reporting things like Bennett's inclusion in the Thad trade).

As it currently stands, the local press have very little insight into the secretive GM's thinking, and the amount of frustration over this has filled more than a few articles. Chad Ford saying the Sixers wanted Wiggins is a much better source than the local media, and given his track record, that says a lot.

I think its definitely possible that Philly wanted either, or even Jabari. So far, every move Philly has made has shocked the coverage of the team. So, anyone saying they knew what Philly was thinking is wrong.

Of course the quotes are not directly from Hinkie that would be pretty stupid considering he's the GM of the team don't u think? How would a GM look coming out before the draft and saying "_____ is my guy and I'm gonna do everything I can to get him." That would kill their chances at any potential trades as the other team would just rip them off.

Woj reported multiple things. At first he reported the sixers were actively trying to trade for the number one pick and then later that actually weren't. Nobody knows what actually happened. The sixers could've been trying to get that #1 pick in the most hyped draft in a long time or I guess it couldve been some elaborate smokescreen. If it was just a smokescreen I don't see the purpose of it tho because Embiid was going to fall to 3 anyways.

Again the Cavs GM was asked point blank after the draft if the Sixers offered to trade up and he said no. That's straight from the horse's mouth. There is no gray area or speculation. He said no trade was offered by the Sixers so stop the nonsense.

[HartfordWhalers]

...

So, we had the gotcha meme. But now you agree that the most respected guy in hoops for teasing out what really happened says it didn't. After that, there really isn't much to say.

But since you bring up the issue of Sixers smokescreens in the 2014 draft as something unlikely, I think you should go back and look at how the Sixers draft went in its entirety. It might be enlightening.

Lol nice low key jab @ the magic there for the Payton trade. Honestly that was a really good move on Hinkies part and i do agree that he got one over on Hennigan. Because of the protections on that pick tho (top 11) it was much more valuable to philly than it was to Orlando.

We all know that you guys will still be rebuilding for like the next 10 years and won't be good enough to get a pick outside of the top 11 so it would've just turned into 2 seconds anyways

Sorry didn't mean it as a jab at the Magic, just that Philly seemed very active in doing stuff exactly like smokescreens and misinformation etc, even when the guy they wanted would be there at their pick.

{In terms of the actual pick, the protection was down to bottom 8 -- top 11 protected in 2017, and top 8 protected in 2018. Even with as long of a rebuild as Philly is doing, I think they will be outside of the bottom 8 by 2018, but i guess we will see.}

[Big A All Day]

Nice try but massive fail. Please point to one article or quote or story of Hinkie saying he wanted Wiggins? Why would Hinkie be upset with getting the top prospect in Embiid?

And what's your team's poor excuse for being back in the lottery again and only having six more wins than us? So your team is barely better than D Leaguers? That's a YOU problem and is more of an indictment on your team.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/spor ... ggins.html

A league source told the Daily News this afternoon that the 76ers "really, really, really want Andrew Wiggins" and are doing all they can to try and trade for the No. 1 overall pick

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... w-wiggins/

Andrew Wiggins wants to play for the 76ers, according to Marc J. Spears of Yahoo Sports.And the 76ers apparently want him.
They’re looking into trading up from their No. 3 pick and bringing Wiggins to Philadelphia.

http://au.ibtimes.com/2014-nba-draft-ne ... ns-1344232

How bad do the Sixers want Wiggins? According to an ESPN report, Philadelphia has inquired about an exchange with the Cavaliers’ first pick and is willing to give up their No. 3 pick and power forward Thaddeus Young in exchange for the top pick in the 2014 NBA Draft set on June 26.

REAL GM WIRETAP LOL

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ew-Wiggins

According to sources, the 76ers are trying to do whatever they can to draft Wiggins.The 76ers own the third overall pick and are willing to move up by offering that pick and Thaddeus Young for the right to draft Wiggins.

Lol. I was waiting for those links. So you admit there is nothing from Hinkie saying he wanted Wiggins as his top choice. Thank you.

And the Cavs GM was asked after the draft of the Sixers tried to trade up for the top pick and he said no. Thanks for playing.

Yeah cuz that's exactly what the GM should do right? Hinkies gonna say "I really wanted Wiggins but look guys! We got a injured Embiid instead!" And right after drafting Wiggins Gilberts gonna go in front of a mic and say "yup, we almost traded Andrew but he's our guy now!".

As I stated before who knows what really went down but the fact you're arguing that because there's no direct quote from your GM there's no way you wanted Wiggins is pretty funny lol.

So are telling me had you landed the #1 pick philly would've still took Embiid?

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http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/spor ... ggins.html



http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... w-wiggins/



http://au.ibtimes.com/2014-nba-draft-ne ... ns-1344232



REAL GM WIRETAP LOL

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/23 ... ew-Wiggins

Lol. I was waiting for those links. So you admit there is nothing from Hinkie saying he wanted Wiggins as his top choice. Thank you.

And the Cavs GM was asked after the draft of the Sixers tried to trade up for the top pick and he said no. Thanks for playing.

Yeah cuz that's exactly what the GM should do right? Hinkies gonna say "I really wanted Wiggins but look guys! We got a injured Embiid instead!" And right after drafting Wiggins Gilberts gonna go in front of a mic and say "yup, we almost traded Andrew but he's our guy now!".

As I stated before who knows what really went down but the fact you're arguing that because there's no direct quote from your GM there's no way you wanted Wiggins is pretty funny lol.

So are telling me had you landed the #1 pick philly would've still took Embiid?

If the Sixers did want to trade up and the Cavs GM said no then it would have been even better to come out and say that's what happened so he could pump up Wiggins. That would make him look even better by saying look what I did. The Sixers offered the 3 and 10 picks but I said no because I think that highly of Wiggins. You're not thinking clearly. The Cavs GM would have no reasons to lie about it if trade talks did happen. You're just mad Hinkie was happy with getting Embiid and didn't try nor want to trade up.

And Embiid was the top prospect. I don't know why you act like he wasn't. The Cavs were going to take him number 1 until he got hurt. The Sixers were thinking Wiggins would fall to 3 just like very one else did. When Embiid got hurt that allowed the top prospect to fall to us.

You asked if the Sixers had the top pick if we would have taken Embiid. Knowing what I know about Hinkie I think he had Embiid as the top prospect. The question is if he thought the injury knocked him down a peg and how close he had Embiid and Wiggins in his rating. Pre injury Embiid Hinkie would take Embiid number 1 without a doubt. Post injury Embiid clouds it a little but Hinkie is not like most GMs and he takes big chances. He takes calculated risks so I still think he takes an injured Embiid number 1.