The FO. What is their worst mistake?

[Axl Rose]

Iggy would have been pretty redundant to Lu

Iggy would have been pretty amazing compared to Chris Duhon, Keith Bogans, Ronnie Brewer, etc. etc.

sure but i don't get what that has to do with my point

you questioned how the Gordon pick made sense and why it made sense was because Iggy/Deng would have been too redundant

[DuckIII]

Iggy would have been pretty redundant to Lu

Iggy would have been pretty amazing compared to Chris Duhon, Keith Bogans, Ronnie Brewer, etc. etc.

sure but i don't get what that has to do with my point

you questioned how the Gordon pick made sense and why it made sense was because Iggy/Deng would have been too redundant

Based solely on the fact that neither one of them was a lights out three point shooter? Other than that, they'd have been an excellent combo assuming the FO would have looked to get more three point shooting from the point (which they had), get a stretch 4, and beef up perimeter shooting on the bench.

Lu and Iggy would have been a terrific 2/3 core, the team would have just needed to be built differently around it. It was my dream draft that year. The FO got it half right at least.

[DuckIII]

You can always point to a certain trade or draft mistake, but in the end, this FO doesn't take the necessary risks for the team to truly contend. We would never trade a top pick for a star player like the Cavs did. We always hold on to our core and then salary dump to avoid the tax.

We got a superstar by lucking into the draft, but the superstar broke down early. Assuming we don't luck into another #1 pick anytime soon, The FOs unwillingness to take a risk in the form of a trade could leave us a treadmill team for a long time.

agree tim.

Lets pack Butler, Mirotic, McDermott, Snell and picks for Durant

Not sure if that was a sarcastic comment, but if that trade was on the table, that's exactly the type of trade the FO would never do.

That's silly. There's nothing specific enough to base that on. KD is an all-time great, elite player, and 26 years old. There isn't an FO in the NBA who wouldn't offer comparable assets (if they were a good enough FO to even have those assets to offer, which most aren't) for KD.

[Axl Rose]

Iggy would have been pretty amazing compared to Chris Duhon, Keith Bogans, Ronnie Brewer, etc. etc.

sure but i don't get what that has to do with my point

you questioned how the Gordon pick made sense and why it made sense was because Iggy/Deng would have been too redundant

Based solely on the fact that neither one of them was a lights out three point shooter? Other than that, they'd have been an excellent combo assuming the FO would have looked to get more three point shooting from the point (which they had), get a stretch 4, and beef up perimeter shooting on the bench.

Lu and Iggy would have been a terrific 2/3 core, the team would have just needed to be built differently around it. It was my dream draft that year. The FO got it half right at least.

saying they weren't "lights out shooters" is putting it lightly

Gordon was a scorer/shooter/had combo guard potential and not to mention a winner it made sense to take him instead of taking 2 guys that were similar...he was great for us while he was here...definitely shouldn't be brought up in the worst mistake thread

[TimRobbins]

That's silly. There's nothing specific enough to base that on. KD is an all-time great, elite player, and 26 years old. There isn't an FO in the NBA who wouldn't offer comparable assets (if they were a good enough FO to even have those assets to offer, which most aren't) for KD.

It's not about the specific trade. I don't know if the FO makes that deal or not. It's about the idea of taking a risk and trading a lot of assets that you really like for something that could make the team better. I just can't seem to believe that over the past decade there have been no opportunities to acquire an allstar level guys for some of our assets.

[DuckIII]

saying they weren't "lights out shooters" is putting it lightly

Gordon was a scorer/shooter/had combo guard potential and not to mention a winner it made sense to take him instead of taking 2 guys that were similar...he was great for us while he was here...definitely shouldn't be brought up in the worst mistake thread

I agree he shouldn't be considered one of the "worst mistakes." I do still think the Bulls should have drafted Iggy, and saying he is "redundant" or "similar" to Deng is badly inaccurate beyond the superficial consideration of three point shooting - they were completely different players. But regardless, that was an excellent draft for the Bulls. Gordon had a solid career as a Bull, no doubt.

[DuckIII]

That's silly. There's nothing specific enough to base that on. KD is an all-time great, elite player, and 26 years old. There isn't an FO in the NBA who wouldn't offer comparable assets (if they were a good enough FO to even have those assets to offer, which most aren't) for KD.

It's not about the specific trade. I don't know if the FO makes that deal or not.

So you didn't mean its "exactly" the type of trade the Bulls FO "would never do"?

It's about the idea of taking a risk and trading a lot of assets that you really like for something that could make the team better.

There are risks and there are risks. Trading a collection of solid assets for a 26 year old who projects to be a top 10 player in the history of the sport, while retaining players like Rose, Noah and Gasol isn't a risk. Its a no-brainer.

[TimRobbins]

There are risks and there are risks. Trading a collection of solid assets for a 26 year old who projects to be a top 10 player in the history of the sport, while retaining players like Rose, Noah and Gasol isn't a risk. Its a no-brainer.

The wording should have been the trade they haven't done. Like I said, over the course of the past decade, multiple allstar level players were on the shelf and none of them were acquired by the Bulls.

[Michael Jackson]

There are risks and there are risks. Trading a collection of solid assets for a 26 year old who projects to be a top 10 player in the history of the sport, while retaining players like Rose, Noah and Gasol isn't a risk. Its a no-brainer.

The wording should have been the trade they haven't done. Like I said, over the course of the past decade, multiple allstar level players were on the shelf and none of them were acquired by the Bulls.

True they were but we have only speculation on what the other teams wanted. Clearly in the Harden case they got a much better deal for what they were looking for than the Bulls could have offered. Trades are not easy. I think in a large sense cleveland lost the Love trade but it was something that fit for both teams. The Bulls had nothing to offer to match what the Cavs had to trade for love. They full pursued Melo this year and did all they could so it isn't like they just sit on their hands. The Korver trade though was cheap and bad. Never used the TPE either.

[Axl Rose]

saying they weren't "lights out shooters" is putting it lightly

Gordon was a scorer/shooter/had combo guard potential and not to mention a winner it made sense to take him instead of taking 2 guys that were similar...he was great for us while he was here...definitely shouldn't be brought up in the worst mistake thread

I agree he shouldn't be considered one of the "worst mistakes." I do still think the Bulls should have drafted Iggy, and saying he is "redundant" or "similar" to Deng is badly inaccurate beyond the superficial consideration of three point shooting - they were completely different players. But regardless, that was an excellent draft for the Bulls. Gordon had a solid career as a Bull, no doubt.

fair enough

[Leslie Forman]

saying they weren't "lights out shooters" is putting it lightly

Gordon was a scorer/shooter/had combo guard potential and not to mention a winner it made sense to take him instead of taking 2 guys that were similar...he was great for us while he was here...definitely shouldn't be brought up in the worst mistake thread

Gordon clearly never had the potential to run the point with his horrible dribbling and passing ability. If he was good at those things? He would've been the proto-Curry. Instead he was essentially always going to be nothing more than a sixth man. If GarPax thought Gordon was going to be that good, they did a really horrible job of scouting. Getting a good sixth man is not much of a return for the #3 pick.

The Bulls themselves clearly didn't think terribly highly of him, letting him sign the qualifying offer and leave for literally nothing.

True they were but we have only speculation on what the other teams wanted.

Gasol was available for peanuts but this team kept pushing Nocioni's terrible deal down their throats instead.

[Axl Rose]

saying they weren't "lights out shooters" is putting it lightly

Gordon was a scorer/shooter/had combo guard potential and not to mention a winner it made sense to take him instead of taking 2 guys that were similar...he was great for us while he was here...definitely shouldn't be brought up in the worst mistake thread

Gordon clearly never had the potential to run the point with his horrible dribbling and passing ability. If he was good at those things? He would've been the proto-Curry. Instead he was essentially always going to be nothing more than a sixth man. If GarPax thought Gordon was going to be that good, they did a really horrible job of scouting. Getting a good sixth man is not much of a return for the #3 pick.

The Bulls themselves clearly didn't think terribly highly of him, letting him sign the qualifying offer and leave for literally nothing

a 6th man that lead the team in scoring pretty much every year he was here

while i know he went to the Pistons and looked like trash i still think they made a mistake not resigning him

him and Rose would have been one of the best backcourts in the league

could you imagine how explosive they would be offensively?

[Michael Jackson]

saying they weren't "lights out shooters" is putting it lightly

Gordon was a scorer/shooter/had combo guard potential and not to mention a winner it made sense to take him instead of taking 2 guys that were similar...he was great for us while he was here...definitely shouldn't be brought up in the worst mistake thread

Gordon clearly never had the potential to run the point with his horrible dribbling and passing ability. If he was good at those things? He would've been the proto-Curry. Instead he was essentially always going to be nothing more than a sixth man. If GarPax thought Gordon was going to be that good, they did a really horrible job of scouting. Getting a good sixth man is not much of a return for the #3 pick.

The Bulls themselves clearly didn't think terribly highly of him, letting him sign the qualifying offer and leave for literally nothing.

True they were but we have only speculation on what the other teams wanted.

Gasol was available for peanuts but this team kept pushing Nocioni's terrible deal down their throats instead.

Well Gordon has done zilch since being a a Bull and he wanted too much money. Gasol honestly I was never sold on until this year. I didn't want him. I can say now I was wrong. Even old Gasol is good. Still it truly is all speculation on what was actually offered.

[Michael Jackson]

saying they weren't "lights out shooters" is putting it lightly

Gordon was a scorer/shooter/had combo guard potential and not to mention a winner it made sense to take him instead of taking 2 guys that were similar...he was great for us while he was here...definitely shouldn't be brought up in the worst mistake thread

Gordon clearly never had the potential to run the point with his horrible dribbling and passing ability. If he was good at those things? He would've been the proto-Curry. Instead he was essentially always going to be nothing more than a sixth man. If GarPax thought Gordon was going to be that good, they did a really horrible job of scouting. Getting a good sixth man is not much of a return for the #3 pick.

The Bulls themselves clearly didn't think terribly highly of him, letting him sign the qualifying offer and leave for literally nothing

a 6th man that lead the team in scoring pretty much every year he was here

while i know he went to the Pistons and looked like trash i still think they made a mistake not resigning him

him and Rose would have been one of the best backcourts in the league

could you imagine how explosive they would be offensively?

Gordon got exposed. I loved Ben as a bull too but he hasn't done a thing since and Nate oddly is more valuable than Ben is currently. I do agree though Ben should have stayed with the Bulls his career would have been better off. Can't blame a guy for taking money though.

[Leslie Forman]

a 6th man that lead the team in scoring pretty much every year he was here

while i know he went to the Pistons and looked like trash i still think they made a mistake not resigning him

him and Rose would have been one of the best backcourts in the league

could you imagine how explosive they would be offensively?

This was more a function of how inept the team was offensively, rather than because Gordon was so amazing.

I liked the guy and he gave some great entertainment, but he was clearly not a good #3 pick. You don't pick a 6'2" shooting guard who can't dribble third. You just don't.

[Stratmaster]

Ugghhh... some ugly revisionist history and 20/20 hindsight here. Trades aren't as easy as they are on Playstation.

There are only a few superstars who have been traded or left their teams in free agency, and there are 30 teams in the league, many with some local amenities the Bulls just don't have to offer. Don't get me wrong, NY and Chi still have great recruiting power due to what the cities have to offer. However, outside of personal ties, they can't offer what some of the West Coast and Florida teams can.

Bron, Bosh and Wade was a collusion thing and they were just playing with everyone other than Miami. Bron going back to Cleveland was a combination of realizing the Heat weren't locks to win every year and not wanting to be forever hated in his hometown. Melo is an epic scorer, but not a superstar by my definition, and he had a personal tie to NY. I said for years I didn't want him, almost got sucked in last off season with all the uncertainty about Rose, and finally said...WTH...who else is out there? But it turned out to be a great result not getting him.