Nerlens Noel Thread

[sixers hoops]

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Not sure why all this talk about trading Noel or using him as a 6th man and drafting towns or okafor This Young Man has started coming into his own and is looking like a 10/10/2/2/2 beast lately and will only get better, I think We should draft either Mudiay or Russell bring back Robinson next year and with a healthy Embiid, Wroten or drafting Delon wright with the Miami pick or both We'd have a pretty stacked Young Team.

Wroten/Cannan
Russell/Delon Wright
Covington/Grant/Hollis
Noel/Robinson
Embiid/Aldemir

plus the OKC pick and 2nd round picks

Exactly, people are so hung up about prospects and wanting new toys to play with rather then keep what they have.

We need to get 1 big backup off the bench, Aldemir isn't a 5. I want someone with size, be able to rebound and play defense. Not another Sims please.

At this point, I'm not hung up on a particular philosophy of more prospects vs keeping what we have. I just want to identify the best players and acquire them. Let's lay the best foundation possible to build a champion.

[76ers 2020]

Personally, I want Noel to stay not because of wanting to have some staple long term guys. This is not MCW where some guys want to just have something to settle with.

Yeah the difference is huge because one is improving while the other wasn't. I said going into the season my fear with MCW is that I see him as a guy that peaked as a rookie like Evans. He would have become more efficient on a better team but not enough to be a key piece to build around. MCW was like Turner in that it was a lot of peaks and valleys. Nothing consistent or dependable. Need some reliable skills to be worth keeping around. Noel has some.

[AAKing23]

Nerlens is now ranked top 10 in both steals and blocks, remarkable!!!

If he can bring his blocks (1.9) and steals (1.8) to 2.0 he'll become just the 4th player in NBA history to average both 2 blocks and steals in a season.

[76ciology]

Personally, I want Noel to stay not because of wanting to have some staple long term guys. This is not MCW where some guys want to just have something to settle with.

Yeah the difference is huge because one is improving while the other wasn't. I said going into the season my fear with MCW is that I see him as a guy that peaked as a rookie like Evans. He would have become more efficient on a better team but not enough to be a key piece to build around. MCW was like Turner in that it was a lot of peaks and valleys. Nothing consistent or dependable. Need some reliable skills to be worth keeping around. Noel has some.

I think the big difference is that Noel can dominate a side of the court. While both MCW and Turner are still finding their niche just to be productively efficient in the NBA.

I was more optimistic in Turner than MCW. Because Turner has a very valuable attribute, which is to be able to create on offense. And he has improved a lot on his final year with us, being more athletic, losing weight and attacking the rim more. Unlike with MCW, which was pretty much flat and actually went downhill after his first few weeks/months with us. If MCW's progress has a chart, it's downtrend with several resistances that is stopping him from breakout. And some of these resistances seems to be fundamental issues like lack of touch from perimeter and poor ball handling ability.

[CoreyGallagher]

Nerlens is now ranked top 10 in both steals and blocks, remarkable!!!

If he can bring his blocks (1.9) and steals (1.8) to 2.0 he'll become just the 4th player in NBA history to average both 2 blocks and steals in a season.

This is a rookie that started out the season extremely timid, I honestly can't imagine what he'll do as a veteran.

[MRxBLACK]

7th in Steals/game
6th in Blocks/game
8th in Defensive rating
T9th in Defensive win shares
3rd in Defensive Box Plus/Minus

[HartfordWhalers]

11th in dunks.

[LloydFree]

Not sure why all this talk about trading Noel or using him as a 6th man and drafting towns or okafor This Young Man has started coming into his own and is looking like a 10/10/2/2/2 beast lately and will only get better, I think We should draft either Mudiay or Russell bring back Robinson next year and with a healthy Embiid, Wroten or drafting Delon wright with the Miami pick or both We'd have a pretty stacked Young Team.

Wroten/Cannan
Russell/Delon Wright
Covington/Grant/Hollis
Noel/Robinson
Embiid/Aldemir

plus the OKC pick and 2nd round picks

Exactly, people are so hung up about prospects and wanting new toys to play with rather then keep what they have.

We need to get 1 big backup off the bench, Aldemir isn't a 5. I want someone with size, be able to rebound and play defense. Not another Sims please.

It's that kind of thinking that caused Larry Brown to pass on Paul Pierce. Why take Pierce (another shiny new toy) when we already have a good looking SF in Tim Thomas. Same thing here. If you are in this stage of a rebuild and are in position to get a better player, you take him.

You don't pass on Towns because you have Noel. Its the same as passing on Pierce because you have Tim Thomas, or passing on Chris Paul because you have TJ Ford or passing on Jordan because you have Drexler. Now if you are saying to draft Towns and keep Noel, that is a different argument. Towns is the better talent. You take Towns and make whatever moves necessary to build around the best talent.

[SparksFly87]

Personally, I want Noel to stay not because of wanting to have some staple long term guys. This is not MCW where some guys want to just have something to settle with.

I want Noel to stay because I do think Noel can be a very special player. And yes, he has a really good chance to be better than Towns down the road.

I firmly believe his upside because of his athleticism and mobility is significantly higher than towns. If Noel adds a jumper it's no debate.

[Sixerscan]

11th in dunks.

Now there's a stat!

[HartfordWhalers]

11th in dunks.

Now there's a stat!

No way I was gonna pseudo-intellectual gussy it up into some sort of advanced stat like dunks per game that requires an MBA to understand.

[XDevilBoiX]

Not sure why all this talk about trading Noel or using him as a 6th man and drafting towns or okafor This Young Man has started coming into his own and is looking like a 10/10/2/2/2 beast lately and will only get better, I think We should draft either Mudiay or Russell bring back Robinson next year and with a healthy Embiid, Wroten or drafting Delon wright with the Miami pick or both We'd have a pretty stacked Young Team.

Wroten/Cannan
Russell/Delon Wright
Covington/Grant/Hollis
Noel/Robinson
Embiid/Aldemir

plus the OKC pick and 2nd round picks

Exactly, people are so hung up about prospects and wanting new toys to play with rather then keep what they have.

We need to get 1 big backup off the bench, Aldemir isn't a 5. I want someone with size, be able to rebound and play defense. Not another Sims please.

It's that kind of thinking that caused Larry Brown to pass on Paul Pierce. Why take Pierce (another shiny new toy) when we already have a good looking SF in Tim Thomas. Same thing here. If you are in this stage of a rebuild and are in position to get a better player, you take him.

You don't pass on Towns because you have Noel. Its the same as passing on Pierce because you have Tim Thomas, or passing on Chris Paul because you have TJ Ford or passing on Jordan because you have Drexler. Now if you are saying to draft Towns and keep Noel, that is a different argument. Towns is the better talent. You take Towns and make whatever moves necessary to build around the best talent.

If we keep Noel then I have no problem drafting Towns. Majority wants to draft Towns and trade Noel to get back into the top 3-4 to take one of the two pg. That I don't agree with as I stated my reasoning.

[Wilfried]

We're still not in position to draft for need ... so we shouldn't.

Towns is probably the biggest (raw) talent of the group, we should take him if we have the chance.

A luxury problem (Saric - Noel - Towns - Embiid) is the best problem to have.

That said: I really love Noel's progression and (a little biased) he should become the ROY if he keeps this up for the next month.

[psualltheway5]

We're still not in position to draft for need ... so we shouldn't.

Towns is probably the biggest (raw) talent of the group, we should take him if we have the chance.

A luxury problem (Saric - Noel - Towns - Embiid) is the best problem to have.

That said: I really love Noel's progression and (a little biased) he should become the ROY if he keeps this up for the next month.

The GB seems to feel its Wiggins' award to win and there is nobody in the realm of being in the realm of him.

[76ciology]

We're still not in position to draft for need ... so we shouldn't.

Towns is probably the biggest (raw) talent of the group, we should take him if we have the chance.

A luxury problem (Saric - Noel - Towns - Embiid) is the best problem to have.

That said: I really love Noel's progression and (a little biased) he should become the ROY if he keeps this up for the next month.

The GB seems to feel its Wiggins' award to win and there is nobody in the realm of being in the realm of him.

It's the GB what do you expect? I wouldn't be surprised if they think Embiid is a 2nd round caliber talent.

90% of those guys are finding ways to hate our team. Man, most of them even think that we started rebuilding and tanked for MCW and Noel. They are as casual as it gets.

[wickedwrister]

We're still not in position to draft for need ... so we shouldn't.

Towns is probably the biggest (raw) talent of the group, we should take him if we have the chance.

A luxury problem (Saric - Noel - Towns - Embiid) is the best problem to have.

That said: I really love Noel's progression and (a little biased) he should become the ROY if he keeps this up for the next month.

The GB seems to feel its Wiggins' award to win and there is nobody in the realm of being in the realm of him.

They are probably right unfortunately unless Noel closes the ppg gap it's probably wiggins award to lose.

Not saying that's right but that's how these awards tend to go.

[Sixerant226]

What Noel is lacking is basically Upper Body Strength and a mid range jumper. Guess what, these are two areas he can easily work on this coming off season. Once Noel adds 20 to 25 more pounds of Muscle not fat, his point average will easily go up another 4 to 6 more points with easy put backs to hole. And because of upper body strength, his rebound total will also go up.

Once he develops a mid range jumper, Noel has a great chance to be an all star player. As I mentioned in a pervious post, you can't teach work ethic or athletic ability which he possess both. There is no telling how high this young man ceiling will be if he improves on the aforementioned areas. One thing I know for sure, Noel is someone you keep when it comes to building a team long term.

Worst case, Noel develops into a solid Big who averages 8 to 12ppg and 8-10rbg along with 1-2 bpg which is what you need when it comes to building a championship contending team. However, Noel in time can also average between 16 to 18 points if his offensive game fully developes.

Overall, there is no telling how good this young man can really be due to his raw abilities. We all have to remeber this kid was out of basketball for well over a year nursing a major injury and has shown great progress in his first season thus far. I have faith in Brown and his staff to continue developing Noel game. Honestly, I think it's a major mistake to Trade Noel unless we are trading him for a franchise player. If not, Noel should be one of those corner stone players you need to keep long term.

[leorautins]

Not sure why all this talk about trading Noel or using him as a 6th man and drafting towns or okafor This Young Man has started coming into his own and is looking like a 10/10/2/2/2 beast lately and will only get better, I think We should draft either Mudiay or Russell bring back Robinson next year and with a healthy Embiid, Wroten or drafting Delon wright with the Miami pick or both We'd have a pretty stacked Young Team.

Wroten/Cannan
Russell/Delon Wright
Covington/Grant/Hollis
Noel/Robinson
Embiid/Aldemir

plus the OKC pick and 2nd round picks

Exactly, people are so hung up about prospects and wanting new toys to play with rather then keep what they have.

We need to get 1 big backup off the bench, Aldemir isn't a 5. I want someone with size, be able to rebound and play defense. Not another Sims please.

It's that kind of thinking that caused Larry Brown to pass on Paul Pierce. Why take Pierce (another shiny new toy) when we already have a good looking SF in Tim Thomas. Same thing here. If you are in this stage of a rebuild and are in position to get a better player, you take him.

You don't pass on Towns because you have Noel. Its the same as passing on Pierce because you have Tim Thomas, or passing on Chris Paul because you have TJ Ford or passing on Jordan because you have Drexler. Now if you are saying to draft Towns and keep Noel, that is a different argument. Towns is the better talent. You take Towns and make whatever moves necessary to build around the best talent.

If I recall correctly, Larry Brown promised Larry Hughes he'd draft him if he was still there at 8. No one including Brown expected Pierce to be available at 8, so it probably seemed like a reasonable, risk-free promise at the time. (Which is not to say having Tim Thomas on the roster wasn't also a consideration for not taking Pierce.)

[sixerswillrule]

What Noel is lacking is basically Upper Body Strength and a mid range jumper. Guess what, these are two areas he can easily work on this coming off season. Once Noel adds 20 to 25 more pounds of Muscle not fat, his point average will easily go up another 4 to 6 more points with easy put backs to hole. And because of upper body strength, his rebound total will also go up.

Once he develops a mid range jumper, Noel has a great chance to be an all star player. As I mentioned in a pervious post, you can't teach work ethic or athletic ability which he possess both. There is no telling how high this young man ceiling will be if he improves on the aforementioned areas. One thing I know for sure, Noel is someone you keep when it comes to building a team long term.

Worst case, Noel develops into a solid Big who averages 8 to 12ppg and 8-10rbg along with 1-2 bpg which is what you need when it comes to building a championship contending team. However, Noel in time can also average between 16 to 18 points if his offensive game fully developes.

Overall, there is no telling how good this young man can really be due to his raw abilities. We all have to remeber this kid was out of basketball for well over a year nursing a major injury and has shown great progress in his first season thus far. I have faith in Brown and his staff to continue developing Noel game. Honestly, I think it's a major mistake to Trade Noel unless we are trading him for a franchise player. If not, Noel should be one of those corner stone players you need to keep long term.

He has a long ways to go for that mid-range jumper. This season among players who have taken at least 50 shots from 10-18 feet, Noel is 163rd out of 170 at 30%.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... offset=100

[LloydFree]

What Noel is lacking is basically Upper Body Strength and a mid range jumper. Guess what, these are two areas he can easily work on this coming off season. Once Noel adds 20 to 25 more pounds of Muscle not fat, his point average will easily go up another 4 to 6 more points with easy put backs to hole. And because of upper body strength, his rebound total will also go up.

Once he develops a mid range jumper, Noel has a great chance to be an all star player. As I mentioned in a pervious post, you can't teach work ethic or athletic ability which he possess both. There is no telling how high this young man ceiling will be if he improves on the aforementioned areas. One thing I know for sure, Noel is someone you keep when it comes to building a team long term.

Worst case, Noel develops into a solid Big who averages 8 to 12ppg and 8-10rbg along with 1-2 bpg which is what you need when it comes to building a championship contending team. However, Noel in time can also average between 16 to 18 points if his offensive game fully developes.

Overall, there is no telling how good this young man can really be due to his raw abilities. We all have to remeber this kid was out of basketball for well over a year nursing a major injury and has shown great progress in his first season thus far. I have faith in Brown and his staff to continue developing Noel game. Honestly, I think it's a major mistake to Trade Noel unless we are trading him for a franchise player. If not, Noel should be one of those corner stone players you need to keep long term.

Those two things (shooting and weight) are obvious weaknesses that can be improved, but those aren't his biggest weaknesses. Noel's bad hands and terrible footwork, are his biggest weakness. The shooting isn't an issue for me. Anybody can become a proficient shooter. I don't know how you correct bad hands.