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Re: Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space 

Post#401 » by carey » Sat Mar 7, 2015 10:01 pm

In Len We Trust wrote:Our horrible coach has literally destroyed Brandon Wright. If I was him I would abandon ship at the end of this year.

First Dragic camping in the corner and now this. Don't even get me started on the Green chucking, no Len touches, not playing youth and more. Can we just fire Hornaceks dumb ass before he completely ruins everybody on the team?


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Re: Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space 

Post#402 » by TeamTragic » Sun Mar 8, 2015 12:50 am

In Len We Trust wrote:Our horrible coach has literally destroyed Brandon Wright. If I was him I would abandon ship at the end of this year.

First Dragic camping in the corner and now this. Don't even get me started on the Green chucking, no Len touches, not playing youth and more. Can we just fire Hornaceks dumb ass before he completely ruins everybody on the team?


I wouldn't worry too much. Hornacek and the coaching staff is most likely gone after this season.
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Re: Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space 

Post#403 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Mar 8, 2015 3:07 am

If we have 3 x 5m players, which we do, I'd rather a 15m star player (assuming he's worth it)

Teams with the most expensive benches get beaten by teams with expensive starters.
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Post#404 » by nevetsov » Sun Mar 8, 2015 1:24 pm

Players used to come to PHX and have their talent and value inflated well beyond their actual worth, it's funny now guys come here and play worse than their actual ability.

I just hope whatever moves we make in FA, that we don't get guys that make the current young guys redundant. Get that we need talent across the board, but theres no point drafting young guys just to push them further down the depth chart.
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Re: Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space 

Post#405 » by Mulhollanddrive » Sun Mar 8, 2015 1:54 pm

Chances of Kevin Love?
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Post#406 » by nevetsov » Sun Mar 8, 2015 2:15 pm

Mulhollanddrive wrote:Chances of Kevin Love?


They'll have to go out in the first round for him to consider leaving. And unless Bron/ Bled's agent really wants to unite the two (perhaps Bled could stand to make more in endorsements alongside Bron?) I can't see any way he would consider us outside of a max sign and trade. Even then, probably not.
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Post#407 » by Qwigglez » Sun Mar 8, 2015 2:36 pm

nevetsov wrote:Players used to come to PHX and have their talent and value inflated well beyond their actual worth, it's funny now guys come here and play worse than their actual ability.


Not true at all. Bledsoe/Dragic/Green/Plumlee/Tucker/Frye have all come here and posted career numbers.
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Re: Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space 

Post#408 » by NavLDO » Sun Mar 8, 2015 2:45 pm

carey wrote:
In Len We Trust wrote:Our horrible coach has literally destroyed Brandon Wright. If I was him I would abandon ship at the end of this year.

First Dragic camping in the corner and now this. Don't even get me started on the Green chucking, no Len touches, not playing youth and more. Can we just fire Hornaceks dumb ass before he completely ruins everybody on the team?


Please read this in full: http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/ ... s-not-jeff

Then go back to Twitter and stop spouting this nonsense constantly.


But then isn't it the coach's fault for... not being more of disciplinarian? Or because they miss shots? Or because of turnovers?

Yes, the list goes on and on, and somehow, Hornacek has apparently forgotten how to coach since last year, because that makes sense, right?


Seriously, though, yes, Hornacek does have to shoulder some of the blame. His player-on-the-floor selection has been questionable at times, but he's having to deal with a much higher-then-normal player turnover. I'm not sure how to gauge this against other teams, or if anyone does track this sort of thing. But it's fairly obvious that we have to be in the top 5 in this category, league-wide. Just look at the roster now compared to last year. Here's a list of the players that were not on the roster last year:

Knight
Wright
Bullock
Warren
Thornton
Granger
Barron

That's half the team, or 7 of 14, players, and that's not including IT (and technically, Zoran, even if he didn't play), so in actuality, it's more like 8 of 15. That can't be easy for a coach to integrate that many new players over the course of 64 games. Especially considering that only two starters (Bledsoe, Tucker) from last year are starting this year, and we lost one of which that was potentially, our best player in Dragic, and another that was a big part of our offense (Frye). But sure, let's solely blame Hornacek for the play.

And switching gears for a moment, and in response to your post a couple of pages back, some of what you said does actually make sense. Yes, we need talent, regardless of position. If we end up with an unbalanced number of SFs, it wouldn't be a terrible thing. Better to 5 SFs than 5 PGs. I'd rather have 3, 6'6"-6'8" players on the court at the same time, than 3, 6'3" or shorter players on the court. Better to have a 6'7" SG, 6'6" SF, and 6'8" PF, with a 6'1" PG, and 7'1" C, than to have a 5'11", 6'1", and 6'3" PG/SG, a 6'10" PF, and 7'1" C. And no one is untouchable/irreplaceable. Len is probably the closest thing we have to a star, so he should be the player we consider trading. But assuming we let Green go, we may have Bullock, Tucker, Warren, and Mook. And if we add Harris or Butler or D. Green, then that's OK, I guess--talent is talent, and with Bullock able to play SG, and Mook play PF in a pinch, we should be able to get significant playing time for Warren next season.

So yes, you are right. McD should look to bring in talent for any position OTHER than PG; and if the MoBros are part of a pkg out, to bring better talent in, then I guess that would be ok, but I personally like Kieff--probably more than many here at RealGM, so I'd be initially pretty bummed, but would get over it in time.
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Re: Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space 

Post#409 » by In Len We Trust » Sun Mar 8, 2015 3:32 pm

carey wrote:
In Len We Trust wrote:Our horrible coach has literally destroyed Brandon Wright. If I was him I would abandon ship at the end of this year.

First Dragic camping in the corner and now this. Don't even get me started on the Green chucking, no Len touches, not playing youth and more. Can we just fire Hornaceks dumb ass before he completely ruins everybody on the team?


Please read this in full: http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/ ... s-not-jeff

Then go back to Twitter and stop spouting this nonsense constantly.



Wow. A pitiful article that fails to even bring up any of Hornacek's many flaws as a coach. That's great.

I'm definitely going to change my opinion because of that garbage
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Post#410 » by Frank Lee » Sun Mar 8, 2015 4:04 pm

In Len We Trust wrote:
carey wrote:
In Len We Trust wrote:Our horrible coach has literally destroyed Brandon Wright. If I was him I would abandon ship at the end of this year.

First Dragic camping in the corner and now this. Don't even get me started on the Green chucking, no Len touches, not playing youth and more. Can we just fire Hornaceks dumb ass before he completely ruins everybody on the team?


Please read this in full: http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/ ... s-not-jeff

Then go back to Twitter and stop spouting this nonsense constantly.



Wow. A pitiful article that fails to even bring up any of Hornacek's many flaws as a coach. That's great.

I'm definitely going to change my opinion because of that garbage


Dude... you can't make perfume out of PigS**t. This FO has invested in a collection of low IQ, low talent, low energy players as their main core. It is a non functioning collection of decent to good players. Frankly, I'm more concerned with who is staffing this team, than who is coaching it. Right now I am banking it is a subtle FU from Hornecek to the FO for the dregs they gave him. Its almost like he is punishing the players as well. Just look at his face sometimes. I think its hard for him to relate to such knuckleheads.

We are just not good.
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Re: Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space 

Post#411 » by In Len We Trust » Sun Mar 8, 2015 4:06 pm

Frank Lee wrote:
In Len We Trust wrote:
carey wrote:
Please read this in full: http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/ ... s-not-jeff

Then go back to Twitter and stop spouting this nonsense constantly.



Wow. A pitiful article that fails to even bring up any of Hornacek's many flaws as a coach. That's great.

I'm definitely going to change my opinion because of that garbage


Dude... you can't make perfume out of PigS**t. This FO has invested in a collection of low IQ, low talent, low energy players as their main core. It is a non functioning collection of decent to good players. Frankly, I'm more concerned with who is staffing this team, than who is coaching it. Right now I am banking it is a subtle FU from Hornecek to the FO for the dregs they gave him. Its almost like he is punishing the players as well. Just look at his face sometimes. I think its hard for him to relate to such knuckleheads.

We are just not good.


Well the FO is not done. This is far from the finished roster,so if you don't like the roster then that is good news for you, changes will happen. I'm anxious for some changes too but in the meantime it sure would be nice to have a decent coach leading the team.
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Post#412 » by Frank Lee » Sun Mar 8, 2015 4:08 pm

Thats just it LWT,... but I will continue this in the eye poking JHorn thread
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Post#413 » by nevetsov » Mon Mar 9, 2015 12:44 am

Qwigglez wrote:
nevetsov wrote:Players used to come to PHX and have their talent and value inflated well beyond their actual worth, it's funny now guys come here and play worse than their actual ability.


Not true at all. Bledsoe/Dragic/Green/Plumlee/Tucker/Frye have all come here and posted career numbers.


I said now... As in the current squad. Half the guys you mentioned don't even play for us any more. And 2 of the other 3 (Bled, Green) are certainly not in career form right now.
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Re: Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space 

Post#414 » by tdjm » Mon Mar 9, 2015 1:10 am

We're not a real free agency destination. We're not going to get any unrestricted free agents of note, and all the restricted guys who actually move the needle are easy locks to get re-signed by their teams. We're going to have a bucket load of cap space, though...

...so what about absorbing David Lee? Warriors might be looking to shed salary to keep the squad together (FO says they'll go into the tax, but I think we all know at this point that you can't believe everything a front office says :D ). Backup PF is a GLARING need on the roster, and you might be able to coax a 2019 first out of GSW for the "privilege" of taking on that contract for one more year. He's a vet with a good attitude, and at least rebounds at a respectable rate, plus he can pass and do some fun things on offense. We suck colossal ballsack on defense and he's obviously not going to help there, but if we're serious about adding vets, he's at least one who can still contribute in a positive fashion on the floor, plus we could probably get some future stuff for him - everyone wins, and we can kick the can down the road one more year on cap space to jump into the 2016 extravaganza.

Not saying I think we SHOULD do this, just that it's an option that I haven't seen brought up yet anywhere (although I skipped a few pages of this thread when it got a little off track at times). Not even a guarantee that GSW wants to attach assets to punt away DLee, but if they do, I think we should consider it.
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Post#415 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Mar 9, 2015 1:18 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:If we have 3 x 5m players, which we do, I'd rather a 15m star player (assuming he's worth it)

Teams with the most expensive benches get beaten by teams with expensive starters.

Assuming it's an actual star player and not a $15m Eric Gordon or Carlos Boozer.
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Post#416 » by MrMiyagi » Mon Mar 9, 2015 1:59 am

Mulhollanddrive wrote:If we have 3 x 5m players, which we do, I'd rather a 15m star player (assuming he's worth it)

Teams with the most expensive benches get beaten by teams with expensive starters.

How's that strategy working out for Brooklyn? How about New Orleans and Asik, Gordon and Evans making $40 mil? The Knicks had all that money locked up in Amare, Melo and Bargnani, does that prove your point? Are you going to try and BS me that they are better off than we are? :crazy:

Don't be trying to make this a money thing. "If Kieff were a $15 million player, he'd be worth having, but since he's only an $8 million player, he's a garbage investment!"

We've got a bunch of guys on good contracts who can be easily moved. That is a good place to be, believe it or not.
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Re: Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space 

Post#417 » by JMac1 » Mon Mar 9, 2015 2:49 am

MrMiyagi wrote:
Mulhollanddrive wrote:If we have 3 x 5m players, which we do, I'd rather a 15m star player [url](assuming he's worth it)[/url]

Teams with the most expensive benches get beaten by teams with expensive starters.

How's that strategy working out for Brooklyn? How about New Orleans and Asik, Gordon and Evans making $40 mil? The Knicks had all that money locked up in Amare, Melo and Bargnani, does that prove your point? Are you going to try and BS me that they are better off than we are? :crazy:

Don't be trying to make this a money thing. "If Kieff were a $15 million player, he'd be worth having, but since he's only an $8 million player, he's a garbage investment!"

We've got a bunch of guys on good contracts who can be easily moved. That is a good place to be, believe it or not.


You missed thath part Miyagi.
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Re: Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space 

Post#418 » by Lawson » Mon Mar 9, 2015 3:30 am

In Len We Trust wrote:Well the FO is not done. This is far from the finished roster,so if you don't like the roster then that is good news for you, changes will happen. I'm anxious for somequotees too but in the meantime it sure would be nice to have a decent coach leading the team.


So the FO gets a pass for delivering a crap product because they are "not done" but Hornacek is meant to make an unfinished crap product shine like gold. The amount of hate is crazy.
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Post#419 » by In Len We Trust » Mon Mar 9, 2015 5:43 am

Lawson wrote:
In Len We Trust wrote:Well the FO is not done. This is far from the finished roster,so if you don't like the roster then that is good news for you, changes will happen. I'm anxious for somequotees too but in the meantime it sure would be nice to have a decent coach leading the team.


So the FO gets a pass for delivering a crap product because they are "not done" but Hornacek is meant to make an unfinished crap product shine like gold. The amount of hate is crazy.


Uhh, no.

The front office has not delivered a crap product, actually. I am not saying we should be winning the championship this year but our record should be much better than it is. Hornaceks job isn't to reach realistic expectations like a championship, his job is to do a good job of coaching the team he has and he has not done that this year.

Even if it was an "unfinished crap product" that doesn't justify Hornaceks horrible rotations, lack of adjustments, and brain farts in crunch time.
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Post#420 » by sunskerr » Mon Mar 9, 2015 9:35 am

In Len We Trust wrote:Uhh, no.

The front office has not delivered a crap product, actually. I am not saying we should be winning the championship this year but our record should be much better than it is. Hornaceks job isn't to reach realistic expectations like a championship, his job is to do a good job of coaching the team he has and he has not done that this year.

Even if it was an "unfinished crap product" that doesn't justify Hornaceks horrible rotations, lack of adjustments, and brain farts in crunch time.


Im sorry but I think your opinion is a load of bollocks and here's why:

Coming into the season most of us speculated we'd be in a similar position to last season, and if not taking a step back. Look what happened: We're only a few games out of the playoffs. That's exactly what we expected! Sorry but this team is not as good as the Spurs/Clippers/Mavs.

You're right about our record though: it should be better! We've lost several games to buzzers and in OT. But you know what that's called? Bad luck! Anyone with a shred of faith in probability knows that. The coin ended up tails 5 times in a row. But life goes on.

The FO put a bunch of guys who can run the floor on the team and got a coach that would let them run during this rebuild. That's pretty much all that can be said. We're still above .500 and honestly in the west, that's about as good as it gets for a team like ours.

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