2013 Draft: Ranking by Trade Value: Top 10 done.

[pacers33granger]

Ok! Just my opinion..don't think it's all that hard to believe calm down lad. Both of these guys are surefire all defensive team caliber defenders. Big guys who can defend will always hold more value to me than an above average SG. Giannis has all the potential in the world and I would bet on Gobert winning multiple DPOY awards.

Oladipo hasn't even had that great of a season outside of these last two games...easy choice of Giannis/Gobert over him for me like I said

one of 2 players averaging 17/4/4+ (the other being Harden), but yea, he hasnt had a great season. oh, and with bad coaching too

Incorrect. Gordon Hayward averages 20, 5, and 4 this season. Lebron is 26, 7, and 6. I'm sure there are others. I like Oladipo, but this post is simply wrong.

I don't know how Westbrook could be overlooked in this as he's clearly above all of those numbers. Curry too since he's at 4.4 rpg right now. Griffin', Lowry, Lillard, Paul all have those numbers too.

Then there's several who are extremely close. Tyreke Evans is basically there with 16.9, 5, and 6.5 and Gay 0.2 short on assists. MCW is close too, just a couple ppg short. Cousins is about half an assist short and Kyrie is a board short.

[tiderulz]

Ok! Just my opinion..don't think it's all that hard to believe calm down lad. Both of these guys are surefire all defensive team caliber defenders. Big guys who can defend will always hold more value to me than an above average SG. Giannis has all the potential in the world and I would bet on Gobert winning multiple DPOY awards.

Oladipo hasn't even had that great of a season outside of these last two games...easy choice of Giannis/Gobert over him for me like I said

one of 2 players averaging 17/4/4+ (the other being Harden), but yea, he hasnt had a great season. oh, and with bad coaching too

Incorrect. Gordon Hayward averages 20, 5, and 4 this season. Lebron is 26, 7, and 6. I'm sure there are others. I like Oladipo, but this post is simply wrong.

you are correct. my bad, i meant SG's

[goober]

To me, Giannis and Gobert are the trophies of this draft class, funny enough both of them weren't taken in the lottery, and Gobert was traded for a 2nd round pick and cash.

Giannis and Gobert are both physical freaks of nature. I don't know much about Giannis' personality but I know with Gobert he has a constant chip on his shoulder, his twitter makes me lol quote a bit as well.

This may be a bit bias but with Giannis and Gobert it's a wash for me, both of them have the potential to be something the league has never seen before. That potential alone has them both ahead of Dipo and Noel in my book. (Dipo is still solid though).

[H2tObes]

To me, Giannis and Gobert are the trophies of this draft class, funny enough both of them weren't taken in the lottery, and Gobert was traded for a 2nd round pick and cash.

Giannis and Gobert are both physical freaks of nature. I don't know much about Giannis' personality but I know with Gobert he has a constant chip on his shoulder, his twitter makes me lol quote a bit as well.

This may be a bit bias but with Giannis and Gobert it's a wash for me, both of them have the potential to be something the league has never seen before. That potential alone has them both ahead of Dipo and Noel in my book. (Dipo is still solid though).

Pretty much this. Gobert and Giannis being absolute freaks of nature just increases their trade value soooo much. The league has never seen anything like either of them really

[GANGSTERDOG]

one of 2 players averaging 17/4/4+ (the other being Harden), but yea, he hasnt had a great season. oh, and with bad coaching too

Incorrect. Gordon Hayward averages 20, 5, and 4 this season. Lebron is 26, 7, and 6. I'm sure there are others. I like Oladipo, but this post is simply wrong.

I don't know how Westbrook could be overlooked in this as he's clearly above all of those numbers. Curry too since he's at 4.4 rpg right now. Griffin', Lowry, Lillard, Paul all have those numbers too.

Then there's several who are extremely close. Tyreke Evans is basically there with 16.9, 5, and 6.5 and Gay 0.2 short on assists. MCW is close too, just a couple ppg short. Cousins is about half an assist short and Kyrie is a board short.

Well I always viewed LeBron as a Small Forward not a Shooting Guard.

Westbrook sometimes plays SG but let's be real he's a PG.

Gordon and Tyreke are the closest but they also play Small Forward alot.

Gay played alot of SG when he was a Grizzlie but mostly Small Forward now.

So it's pretty much Harden and Dipo Asterisks Hayward and Curry.
I personally think Currys a PG though honestly

[pacers33granger]

Incorrect. Gordon Hayward averages 20, 5, and 4 this season. Lebron is 26, 7, and 6. I'm sure there are others. I like Oladipo, but this post is simply wrong.

I don't know how Westbrook could be overlooked in this as he's clearly above all of those numbers. Curry too since he's at 4.4 rpg right now. Griffin', Lowry, Lillard, Paul all have those numbers too.

Then there's several who are extremely close. Tyreke Evans is basically there with 16.9, 5, and 6.5 and Gay 0.2 short on assists. MCW is close too, just a couple ppg short. Cousins is about half an assist short and Kyrie is a board short.

Well I always viewed LeBron as a Small Forward not a Shooting Guard.

Westbrook sometimes plays SG but let's be real he's a PG.

Gordon and Tyreke are the closest but they also play Small Forward alot.

Gay played alot of SG when he was a Grizzlie but mostly Small Forward now.

So it's pretty much Harden and Dipo Asterisks Hayward and Curry.
I personally think Currys a PG though honestly

Yeah with clarification it takes away a lot of guys since they play different positions. Out of all the guys who are doing it, Oladipo probably handles the ball the least too.

[HartfordWhalers]

I'm really shocked Oladipo is staying even in the polls with Giannis and Gobert.

So my question is, is anyone voting for him that is not an Orlando fan? If so, sell me on it. I see a guy that is:
1) Older
2) Physically less gifted
3) Producing less in terms of current wins than the other 2 when you look at all advanced stats (yes I said all.).
4) Still has holes in his game for his position (3 point shooting for starters).
5) has a higher contract (although this is absolutely an afterthought)

I don't know a single case to make for Oladipo. Explain it to me slowly, and don't say 17-4-4 as that is rolling like water off my back.

[Damkac]

Gobert
Antetokposngoshenosnho
Len
Oladipo

[djthesonicsfan]

Seeing first David Thorpe's Sophmore rankings (insider) -- http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/ ... e-rankings -- and then with the start of the top 25 trade value, I thought I would break this out as a separate question and ask:

Which 2013 draft pick has the most trade value? Which has the second most? The third? The least? If you had to list a top 10 in order by trade value -- the highest return a player could reasonably be expected to get in a trade, if traded -- what would your top 10 look like?


Who's your top 10 in order? And who do you start with? Giannis? Gobert? Nerlens? Len? The Roty Laker pick valued MCW? The quietly underrated Oladipo?

I added a poll for the highest, when we get enough votes I will switch it to the second highest. Let me know who should be included in those votings going forward and what your top 10 is.

All this talk about who's the best is fun but impossible to quantify exactly in my opinion. Still, I certainly would include Funaki Adams in any top ten list of 2013 draft picks. That kid is a stud, proving it at the highest levels of competition and still getting lots better.

[shrink]

This is maybe the most interesting year to make this assessment. You can maintain high rankings your rookie year without doing much, but simply be athletic and show a couple flashes. However, we've all seen many athletic lottery pick wash out, and as we are about to finish a second season, now we have to start making judgements between potential and actually showing production against NBA players. Now is he cutting edge, and you are going to see ranking based more upon voters subjective view of their patience.

Incidentally, i didn't write this to lobby, but Shabazz has to be in the Top Ten now, with some of the best production this year versus most of his draft class.

[Smitty731]

I think Antetokounmpo is the first guy. Not by a huge margin over Oladipo, but enough that I am certain of it. He can just do more and I think his ceiling is higher. I don't know if Oladipo improves much over what he is right now. Which is fine, since he's a pretty good SG already. I think those guys are 1 and 2 for sure.

Next I go Noel over Gobert. Only because Noel seems like he might develop a little more well rounded offensive game, while still blocking shots and rebounding. But this one is close too because Gobert has such a massive impact on defense.

After those 4, I think it is a pretty massive drop off. Carter-Williams is certainly next for me, but he's pretty far behind those guys. It would be something like:

1. Antetokounmpo
2. Oladipo


3. Noel
4. Gobert










5. Carter-Williams




All the rest

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Giannis
Gobert
Oladipo

[Domejandro]

This is maybe the most interesting year to make this assessment. You can maintain high rankings your rookie year without doing much, but simply be athletic and show a couple flashes. However, we've all seen many athletic lottery pick wash out, and as we are about to finish a second season, now we have to start making judgements between potential and actually showing production against NBA players. Now is he cutting edge, and you are going to see ranking based more upon voters subjective view of their patience.

Incidentally, i didn't write this to lobby, but Shabazz has to be in the Top Ten now, with some of the best production this year versus most of his draft class.

That is the bazaar part of this poll that is definitely major. As far as on court production, it would be easy to argue that Shabazz Muhammad was playing at the highest level, but his perceived potential is far lower than somebody with the insane measurements of Giannis Adentokoumpo and Rudy Gobert. In addition, marketability is absolutely huge for this debate, as Giannis Adentokoumpo has been hyped very, very highly for not only his play, but his measurements and funky name (as ridiculous as that may sound).

I would say that Rudy Gobert has the most trade value because his contract is the lowest, and centres are a hot commodity in today's NBA. After that, I would state that Giannis Adentokoumpo has built the most value because he truly is a freak of nature that has been, as I previously stated, hyped to be a great player (I personally debate that his current impact is painfully overrated, but that is a conversation for another thread). To go third, I would state that Nerlens Noel is the most intriguing of the bunch. Fourth likely goes to Victor Oladipo, as the Shooting Guard position is weak, and he has played at a very solid level. After that, my biased opinion makes me believe that Shabazz Muhammad is the obvious person to fill out the top five.

At six, I would pick Gorgui Dieng due to my bias, especially given that he has shown that he can produce at a high level for teams and brings a very high level of passing. That said, it would be very easy to debate Dennis Shroeder's position as sixth if you needed a Point Guard.

Editing in, Steven Adams is sixth, I forgot he is only in his second year.

[bpcox05]

"Clearly" that's just you.

Ok! Just my opinion..don't think it's all that hard to believe calm down lad. Both of these guys are surefire all defensive team caliber defenders. Big guys who can defend will always hold more value to me than an above average SG. Giannis has all the potential in the world and I would bet on Gobert winning multiple DPOY awards.

Oladipo hasn't even had that great of a season outside of these last two games...easy choice of Giannis/Gobert over him for me like I said

one of 2 players averaging 17/4/4+ (the other being Harden), but yea, he hasnt had a great season. oh, and with bad coaching too

Tyreke is pretty much at this level right now 16.9/5/6.5 and Tyreke did 20/5/6 in his rookie year on a bad team. I see Evans as a third guy on a championship team similar to Oladipo.

I think Oladipo could continue to improve and change all of our minds. Paul George made a breakthrough in his career when a lot of people saw him as just a third option or that he couldn't carry a team. I don't think anyone would dare say that now.

[Dcebucks11]

dipo - proven he can score a lot, reminds me of a mix of d wade and brandon knight
giannis - youngest of group - still a bit raw and does dumb things but rising.
gobert - best defensive center in the league probably

my top 3 in order..

[HartfordWhalers]

Oladipo 8
Len 0
Noel 3
MCW 0
Giannis 24
Schroeder 0
Dieng 1
Plumlee 0
Gobert 12
Other: ______ 1


I'm resetting the poll, taking out Giannis and adding in Shabazz. (Adams will be next add). Lets see who is 2nd.

[HartfordWhalers]

For me, this should be between Gobert and Noel for 2nd. Either way, you are getting an amazing defensive anchor.

[goober]

How tall is Noel? I think Gobert's length gives him an edge.

[H2tObes]

Gobert, Noel, or Oladipo all have a case here. I'd go with Gobert because he is an alien

Giannis with 29/5/4/3/3 tonight if there was any doubt

[Amish Mafioso]

I'll take Rudy 1st and alphabet 2nd. After that Maybe Dipo, but I think the top two are on another level.