OKC writer: Jackson "fantastic player... massive potential..."

[fekz]

Stuckey stuckey stuckey stuckey stuckeyyyyyyyyyyy

[Blkbrd671]

Before Reggie and Tay came and Jennings pre-injury, that wasn't even a great concern. Good spacing almost negates the poor spacing downlow if our 3 players outside of Dre and Monroe can consistently shoot. which we showed when Singler and DJ started and when Jennings was balling out with his ISO 3s. So yes, I believe a PG that can shoot sets the tone far more than a shooting big.

well when you take good 3 point shooters and substitute them for ones not nearly as good, of course there's going to be a drop off. Watching our team now, reminds me of when DJ would run the team off the bench, or prior to jennings figuring it out. There's still a lack of familiarity.


Your absolutely right that our offense is more effective with 3 floor spacers, however that doesn't become RJ's fault? IDK where this perception that Dre and Moose dominate games together and RJ's poor shooting is f* that up. Our most effecitive offense comes from Dre in the PnR and moose on the postup. HAving said all that, RJ is not the problem, moose is not the problem, the problem is that Moose Dre and RJ are ineffective. i contribute taht more so to RJ not knowing where he's suppose to be , as oppose to lack of shooting ability. (mostly because i have yet to see RJ really get a open 3 point shot out of the post)

[DBC10]

Before Reggie and Tay came and Jennings pre-injury, that wasn't even a great concern. Good spacing almost negates the poor spacing downlow if our 3 players outside of Dre and Monroe can consistently shoot. which we showed when Singler and DJ started and when Jennings was balling out with his ISO 3s. So yes, I believe a PG that can shoot sets the tone far more than a shooting big.

well when you take good 3 point shooters and substitute them for ones not nearly as good, of course there's going to be a drop off. Watching our team now, reminds me of when DJ would run the team off the bench, or prior to jennings figuring it out. There's still a lack of familiarity.


Your absolutely right that our offense is more effective with 3 floor spacers, however that doesn't become RJ's fault? IDK where this perception that Dre and Moose dominate games together and RJ's poor shooting is f* that up. Our most effecitive offense comes from Dre in the PnR and moose on the postup. HAving said all that, RJ is not the problem, moose is not the problem, the problem is that Moose Dre and RJ are ineffective. i contribute taht more so to RJ not knowing where he's suppose to be , as oppose to lack of shooting ability. (mostly because i have yet to see RJ really get a open 3 point shot out of the post)

Absolutely. I never blamed RJ as the sole reason and if I did once, I was more reactionary rather than thinking straight. But yeah, RJ isn't the sole reason, I attribute more to the fact we lost DJ/Singler/JJ and most of our regular shooters like TheLaw/KCP/Meeks going through slumps and or streaky phase.

I think RJ has franchise PG going forward, not entirely sure, maybe 60% he turns out the way SVG envisioned. But I'd like to think Monroe is also in his future plans too, since he and Dre (whether one on bench or together) were dominating before Jennings went down.

[Blkbrd671]

Absolutely. I never blamed RJ as the sole reason and if I did once, I was more reactionary rather than thinking straight. But yeah, RJ isn't the sole reason, I attribute more to the fact we lost DJ/Singler/JJ and most of our regular shooters like TheLaw/KCP/Meeks going through slumps and or streaky phase.

I think RJ has franchise PG going forward, not entirely sure, maybe 60% he turns out the way SVG envisioned. But I'd like to think Monroe is also in his future plans too, since he and Dre (whether one on bench or together) were dominating before Jennings went down.

The problem is , i believe, they were dominating in seperate lineups as oppose to consistently playing together. They do present a unique obstacle to teams, but defensively as you've seen over the past 5-6 games, moose is not a good defending anywhere but the low post. We aren't going to pay the max for a backup center, and moose isn't going to want to be a backup. Unfortunately its trending towards us moving on.

[c rasheed]

He doesn't have massive potential. Reggie ceiling is a smaller and less athletic version of Tyreke Evans that can't finish at the rim.

[DETermination]

He doesn't have massive potential. Reggie ceiling is a smaller and less athletic version of Tyreke Evans that can't finish at the rim.

Can't finish at the rim? lmao

[bballnmike]

It's as if they play different positions!!

so your arguing that we don't need a pf that can shoot?

No I just think it's silly to compare a pg's lack of shooting ability to a PF's, who most people consider a center. One is expected to be a much better shooter. And then comparing him to someone who played SF seems pretty pointless as well.

[Blkbrd671]

No I just think it's silly to compare a pg's lack of shooting ability to a PF's, who most people consider a center. One is expected to be a much better shooter. And then comparing him to someone who played SF seems pretty pointless as well.

Well that's where context in regards to the discussion comes in. THe discussion was floor spacing and how some posters claim its RJ's perceivedc "lack of ability to shoot" is the main cause of that. These same posters, completely ignore that Moose, who's playing PF, CAN'T SHOOT, but of course, that doesn't contribute to any floor spacing issues. So while you may find it silly, it doesn't change the fact that having 2 centers on the court doesn't help with our spacing.

[bballnmike]

No I just think it's silly to compare a pg's lack of shooting ability to a PF's, who most people consider a center. One is expected to be a much better shooter. And then comparing him to someone who played SF seems pretty pointless as well.

Well that's where context in regards to the discussion comes in. THe discussion was floor spacing and how some posters claim its RJ's perceivedc "lack of ability to shoot" is the main cause of that. These same posters, completely ignore that Moose, who's playing PF, CAN'T SHOOT, but of course, that doesn't contribute to any floor spacing issues. So while you may find it silly, it doesn't change the fact that having 2 centers on the court doesn't help with our spacing.

I agree in general, but it's more realistic to expect your point guard to spread the floor than your pf/c. But if neither of them can, obviously something's gotta give

[Blkbrd671]

I agree in general, but it's more realistic to expect your point guard to spread the floor than your pf/c. But if neither of them can, obviously something's gotta give

Not when your centers a 7 ft ahtletic freak. i'd rather a stretch 4 on the wing than another body in the paint. And we aren't discussing ideal, we are discussing our current team. AGain i think this problem gets metigated as soon as RJ figures out where hes suppose to be when he doesn't have the ball.

[ElectricMayhem]

So, if Harden is almost as good as Stuckey* and Jackson has the potential to be almost as good as Harden, then it looks like we've got a poor man's Rodney Stuckey on our hands. Better lock him up!

*-

Spoiler:

To me Stuckey/Harden are equal threats off the dribble. Harden is a better 3 pt shooter. Stuckey is a better defender. Stuckey is a below average mid-range shooter. Harden is just plain awful at midrange shots. Both are almost identical career FT shooters as well as FTA's. Difference being Stuckey gets all his FT's from going hard to the basket, whereas Harden gets at least half his off of flops. That'll be something interesting to watch now with the new flop rule. Something that won't have any effect on Stuckey's game, but should have a big effect on Harden's. Also makes you wonder if that played into OKC's decision. Stuckey has been a better playmaker through his career, statistically.

When it comes down to it, their career stats are nearly identical, yet Stuckey has done nearly all of his production as the #1 option on offense through his career, whereas Harden has does his as the #3 option off the bench, with the advantage of playing next to a top 2 SF and top 5 PG. Stuckey has never played with anyone close to that except his rookie year, where he lead the team to the ECF winning 3 straight playoff games as the starting PG sweeping ORL.

Like I've said before, its really not even been a fair comparison, comparing a starting #1 option vs a #3 option 6th man. This will be a fair comparison now though, as Harden is going to essentially the same situation Stuckey has been in the last 3-4 yrs, being asked to carry a bad team as the main guy. Best to revisit this mid-season for a more accurate comparison. Based on everything we know right now though, considering career stats are identical, Stuckey $8 mil/yr >>>> Harden for $16 mil.

Career stats PER 36

Stuckey: 17 pts, 5 asts, 4 rebs, 1 stl, 6 FTAs, 42% FG, 28% 3FG, 84% FT

Harden: 17 pts, 3 asts, 4 rebs, 1 stl, 6 FTAs, 44% FG, 37% 3FG, 84% FT

Harden will be exposed this year...book it

^I guess we'll see who's the better player on Wednesday...

Harden is much, much better than Stuckey. I mean the the difference is pretty big. Harden is an all-star while Stuckey is a role player.

Ballboy, please stop it...

I wouldn't put much stock into one game. Once teams get some film on the Rockets, and they go up against a good defense, I don't expect to see many performances like that from Harden too often. Don't pretend like Stuckey has never had big games like that either, or that Harden has never had an off night.

^Harden is an all star SG??? Get off the gas...Harden might have been hot yesterday but lets not over value this dude...It was just one game...

[Blkbrd671]

So, if Harden is almost as good as Stuckey* and Jackson has the potential to be almost as good as Harden, then it looks like we've got a poor man's Rodney Stuckey on our hands. Better lock him up!

*-

Spoiler:

To me Stuckey/Harden are equal threats off the dribble. Harden is a better 3 pt shooter. Stuckey is a better defender. Stuckey is a below average mid-range shooter. Harden is just plain awful at midrange shots. Both are almost identical career FT shooters as well as FTA's. Difference being Stuckey gets all his FT's from going hard to the basket, whereas Harden gets at least half his off of flops. That'll be something interesting to watch now with the new flop rule. Something that won't have any effect on Stuckey's game, but should have a big effect on Harden's. Also makes you wonder if that played into OKC's decision. Stuckey has been a better playmaker through his career, statistically.

When it comes down to it, their career stats are nearly identical, yet Stuckey has done nearly all of his production as the #1 option on offense through his career, whereas Harden has does his as the #3 option off the bench, with the advantage of playing next to a top 2 SF and top 5 PG. Stuckey has never played with anyone close to that except his rookie year, where he lead the team to the ECF winning 3 straight playoff games as the starting PG sweeping ORL.

Like I've said before, its really not even been a fair comparison, comparing a starting #1 option vs a #3 option 6th man. This will be a fair comparison now though, as Harden is going to essentially the same situation Stuckey has been in the last 3-4 yrs, being asked to carry a bad team as the main guy. Best to revisit this mid-season for a more accurate comparison. Based on everything we know right now though, considering career stats are identical, Stuckey $8 mil/yr >>>> Harden for $16 mil.

Career stats PER 36

Stuckey: 17 pts, 5 asts, 4 rebs, 1 stl, 6 FTAs, 42% FG, 28% 3FG, 84% FT

Harden: 17 pts, 3 asts, 4 rebs, 1 stl, 6 FTAs, 44% FG, 37% 3FG, 84% FT

Harden will be exposed this year...book it

^I guess we'll see who's the better player on Wednesday...

Harden is much, much better than Stuckey. I mean the the difference is pretty big. Harden is an all-star while Stuckey is a role player.

Ballboy, please stop it...

I wouldn't put much stock into one game. Once teams get some film on the Rockets, and they go up against a good defense, I don't expect to see many performances like that from Harden too often. Don't pretend like Stuckey has never had big games like that either, or that Harden has never had an off night.

^Harden is an all star SG??? Get off the gas...Harden might have been hot yesterday but lets not over value this dude...It was just one game...

damn like reading a eulogy. i miss jodi's crazy a*

[ElectricMayhem]

damn like reading a eulogy. i miss jodi's crazy a*

I was actually thinking, as I was collecting those posts, how entertaining a Jodi & Flip SportsTalk radio show would be. I could probably listen to that for minutes on end. Their first guest could be Kirsten who could come on and gloat about Hassan Whiteside.

[Blkbrd671]

damn like reading a eulogy. i miss jodi's crazy a*

I was actually thinking, as I was collecting those posts, how entertaining a Jodi & Flip SportsTalk radio show would be. I could probably listen to that for minutes on end. Their first guest could be Kirsten who could come on and gloat about Hassan Whiteside.

don't forget lucidi.............clarity.