Justin Verlander vs Phil Hughes

randomhero423 · Post #1 » by **randomhero423** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:26 pm

Me and my friend were arguing about this today. Who do you think will have the better career?

I defintely think Verlander. He will be the best pitcher in baseball.

Phil Hughes is injury prone and can be either a Mark Prior or a very good #2. But Verlander is a sure thing, and I can't get why people would say Hughes would have the better career today.

bigboy1234 · Post #2 » by **bigboy1234** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:18 pm

Phil Hughes would be my answer.

In my opinion theres no way in hell Verlander is ever the best pitcher in baseball. Hell I don't even think he's the best starter on his own team right now.

34Celtic · Post #3 » by **34Celtic** » Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:22 pm

To early to tell. To call Hughes injury prone after one injury is a little crazy. My guess might be Verlander, but Hughes has the moxie and stuff to be a dominant player.

cmaff051 · Post #4 » by **cmaff051** » Mon Jun 18, 2007 4:36 am

Verlander has better stuff, but Hughes has better command of all his pitches. I think Verlander has the better fastball and Hughes has the better curveball and changeup. But the command isn't even close.

This is a tough question now. We'll have to see when Hughes comes back.

BS007 · Post #5 » by **BS007** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 2:09 pm

I'll take Verlander, he is young and already proven. Hughes is unproven. Thats the only reason i got. Its a tough decesion

Post #6 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:37 pm

Here we go with the ignorant "injury prone" labels. Find me one elbow, shoulder, or any type of arm injury in Hughes' professional career.

But anyway, both players' stuff are close to equal (Verlander has the better fastball, Hughes the better curve and possibly a better change when all is said and done). The difference between the two is not just control, but command. Hughes can spot any pitch of his in any part of the strike zone in any pitch count.

34Celtic · Post #7 » by **34Celtic** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 6:57 pm

I'm still going to say Verlander until Hughes proves himself.

The_Child_Prodigy · Post #8 » by **The_Child_Prodigy** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:18 pm

As a Yankees fan I want to say Hughes but to take Hughes who has not played a game in the Majors to a guy who is 1 start removed from a no hitter and a rookie season going 17-9 and helping a bad franchise go to the WS.... Verlander

Zumaya is the guy who should be the best pitcher on the tigers

34Celtic · Post #9 » by **34Celtic** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:35 pm

The_Child_Prodigy wrote:As a Yankees fan I want to say Hughes but to take Hughes who has not played a game in the Majors to a guy who is 1 start removed from a no hitter and a rookie season going 17-9 and helping a bad franchise go to the WS.... Verlander

Zumaya is the guy who should be the best pitcher on the tigers

Well Hughes has made 2 starts. His second he had a no hitter into the 7th before getting hurt, and Zumaya is a set up man soooo....

Post #10 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:47 am

The_Child_Prodigy wrote:As a Yankees fan I want to say Hughes but to take Hughes who has not played a game in the Majors to a guy who is 1 start removed from a no hitter and a rookie season going 17-9 and helping a bad franchise go to the WS.... Verlander

Zumaya is the guy who should be the best pitcher on the tigers

Anddd that just about does it for your credibility on this topic

randomhero423 · Post #11 » by **randomhero423** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:55 am

nykgeneralmanager wrote:Here we go with the ignorant "injury prone" labels. Find me one elbow, shoulder, or any type of arm injury in Hughes' professional career.

But anyway, both players' stuff are close to equal (Verlander has the better fastball, Hughes the better curve and possibly a better change when all is said and done). The difference between the two is not just control, but command. Hughes can spot any pitch of his in any part of the strike zone in any pitch count.

Phillip Hughes: Hughes is a righthanded hitter and thrower, born June 24, 1986, listed at 6-5, 220 pounds. His fastball can hit 96 MPH and is consistent at 91-93, though his velocity has reportedly increased a bit this year. He has two breaking balls, a strong slider and a strong curveball, both with the potential to be above average. He also has a good changeup. His command is outstanding, and like Pelfrey he has a great feel for his craft. Hughes has had nagging injuries as a pro, including a sore shoulder in 2005 and a sore elbow in 2004. None of these are considered major by themselves, but in the aggregate they lead to unavoidable concerns about his stamina.

34Celtic · Post #12 » by **34Celtic** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:43 pm

Unavoidable concerns because the Yankees babied him.

cmaff051 · Post #13 » by **cmaff051** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:08 pm

randomhero423 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Phillip Hughes: Hughes is a righthanded hitter and thrower, born June 24, 1986, listed at 6-5, 220 pounds. His fastball can hit 96 MPH and is consistent at 91-93, though his velocity has reportedly increased a bit this year. He has two breaking balls, a strong slider and a strong curveball, both with the potential to be above average. He also has a good changeup. His command is outstanding, and like Pelfrey he has a great feel for his craft. Hughes has had nagging injuries as a pro, including a sore shoulder in 2005 and a sore elbow in 2004. None of these are considered major by themselves, but in the aggregate they lead to unavoidable concerns about his stamina.

LOL, that scouting report is two years old. He was shut down one year because he stubbed his toe running to the phone at a hotel. The next year he was shut down due to a tired arm. That's the extent of his injury history before this year.

Post #14 » by **nykgeneralmanager** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 2:18 pm

randomhero423 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Phillip Hughes: Hughes is a righthanded hitter and thrower, born June 24, 1986, listed at 6-5, 220 pounds. His fastball can hit 96 MPH and is consistent at 91-93, though his velocity has reportedly increased a bit this year. He has two breaking balls, a strong slider and a strong curveball, both with the potential to be above average. He also has a good changeup. His command is outstanding, and like Pelfrey he has a great feel for his craft. Hughes has had nagging injuries as a pro, including a sore shoulder in 2005 and a sore elbow in 2004. None of these are considered major by themselves, but in the aggregate they lead to unavoidable concerns about his stamina.

If a guy's worst injury in his career is tendinitis or a tired arm, he is not injury prone. It's that simple. I don't consider ankle sprains or groin pulls part of being injury prone because they are mostly freak accidents (such as a spike getting caught during an agility drill as was the case with Hughes), and those types of injuries create no longterm concern for a pitcher.

BTW, that report is wrong because Hughes never had a sore elbow. He had shoulder tendinitis in 2005, that's about it.

The_Child_Prodigy · Post #15 » by **The_Child_Prodigy** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 9:26 pm

nykgeneralmanager wrote:-= original quote snipped =-

Anddd that just about does it for your credibility on this topic

ok... i have other things on my mind than baseball like exams and i did not have time to look it up...still I forgot about Hughes no hitter which was dumb but I meant to say Hughes has like no starts compared to verlander.