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HeartBreakKid wrote:Wiggins isn't even the best small forward from his own draft class.
Dcebucks11 wrote:HeartBreakKid wrote:Wiggins isn't even the best small forward from his own draft class.
if you're talking about Jabari I love him as a bucks fan, think he'll be a big time scorer in the future but Wiggins is a notch above.
No one is taking Noel over Wiggins imo.
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Zeitgeister wrote:Wiggins past 35 games:
19 PPG (.539 TS%)
4.5 RPG
2.3 APG
1.2 SPG
.7 BPG
#DeMarDeRozanupside
76ciology wrote:Zeitgeister wrote:Wiggins past 35 games:
19 PPG (.539 TS%)
4.5 RPG
2.3 APG
1.2 SPG
.7 BPG
#DeMarDeRozanupside
Kevin Martin also averages close to those numbers. 20/4/2 but definitely Wiggins is the better defensive player. But his Drating is not saying much.
Derozan also has similar numbers at around 18ppg 4rpg 3apg. So, numbers wise it's quite accurate.
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HeartBreakKid wrote:Dcebucks11 wrote:HeartBreakKid wrote:Wiggins isn't even the best small forward from his own draft class.
if you're talking about Jabari I love him as a bucks fan, think he'll be a big time scorer in the future but Wiggins is a notch above.
No one is taking Noel over Wiggins imo.
His statement about being the best at a position was ironic, so I felt the need to highlight it. I'd take Parker over Wiggin's personally, but they were basically coin flip prospects.
Noel isn't near the prospect that Wiggins is, but I have no idea how mentioning Gobert would mean anything. Gobert is older than Noel, and isn't even a rookie - it's about as relevant as mentioning that Gobert is better than Wiggins.
MinneOOPalis wrote:HeartBreakKid wrote:Dcebucks11 wrote:
if you're talking about Jabari I love him as a bucks fan, think he'll be a big time scorer in the future but Wiggins is a notch above.
No one is taking Noel over Wiggins imo.
His statement about being the best at a position was ironic, so I felt the need to highlight it. I'd take Parker over Wiggin's personally, but they were basically coin flip prospects.
Noel isn't near the prospect that Wiggins is, but I have no idea how mentioning Gobert would mean anything. Gobert is older than Noel, and isn't even a rookie - it's about as relevant as mentioning that Gobert is better than Wiggins.
Because the Noel-Wiggins debate is so dumb it would make more sense to compare Wiggins to a young center superior to Noel.
psualltheway5 wrote:MinneOOPalis wrote:HeartBreakKid wrote:
His statement about being the best at a position was ironic, so I felt the need to highlight it. I'd take Parker over Wiggin's personally, but they were basically coin flip prospects.
Noel isn't near the prospect that Wiggins is, but I have no idea how mentioning Gobert would mean anything. Gobert is older than Noel, and isn't even a rookie - it's about as relevant as mentioning that Gobert is better than Wiggins.
Because the Noel-Wiggins debate is so dumb it would make more sense to compare Wiggins to a young center superior to Noel.
It's people like this that are starting to be the reason why some Wolves fans are irritating.
They feel as if Wiggins was hand selected by God himself to bless the city of Minneapolis with basketball talent.
The fact of the matter is, he is a negative player this year. You guys can argue all you want, but at the end of the day, what Noel excels in is MUCH greater than what Wiggins excels in (which to be honest, I don't even know since Wolves fans never talk about his weakness).
It is almost as if they are getting defensive about Noel, I've never seen anything like it. Just face it, Noel has been putting up amazing stats that we see once every 2 decades in a rookie. How many rookies have averaged 19 per game? Not saying it is easy by any stretch, but being the number 1 option on a lousy team, I hope he averages 19 ppg.
Once again, I mean this to be no slight to Wiggins. I think he will be a multiple time all star.
What I am saying is that even though Wiggins may win ROY over Noel thanks to media conjecture, the fact of the matter is Noel is a better player right now. I have never seen a team defense transformation than the Sixers with Noel.
Think of it like this, would a team like the Spurs or Cavs prefer Wiggins or Noel for the rest of THIS season?
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Zeitgeister wrote:
Sorry, you can't have a .477 TS% while averaging 8.8 ppg, sub 8 rpg on one of the worst teams in the league and expect to win the rookie of the year award.
HeartBreakKid wrote:Zeitgeister wrote:
Sorry, you can't have a .477 TS% while averaging 8.8 ppg, sub 8 rpg on one of the worst teams in the league and expect to win the rookie of the year award.
Hey, Ben Wallace was the best player on a championship team and that was him in his prime. People impact the game in different ways.
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Zeitgeister wrote:HeartBreakKid wrote:Zeitgeister wrote:
Sorry, you can't have a .477 TS% while averaging 8.8 ppg, sub 8 rpg on one of the worst teams in the league and expect to win the rookie of the year award.
Hey, Ben Wallace was the best player on a championship team and that was him in his prime. People impact the game in different ways.
Ben was a great rebounder in his prime. Also I'm not really sure how he's applicable to a rookie of the year award. Even at Ben's peak as a defender he never finished higher than 7th in MVP voting.
HeartBreakKid wrote:Zeitgeister wrote:HeartBreakKid wrote:
Hey, Ben Wallace was the best player on a championship team and that was him in his prime. People impact the game in different ways.
Ben was a great rebounder in his prime. Also I'm not really sure how he's applicable to a rookie of the year award. Even at Ben's peak as a defender he never finished higher than 7th in MVP voting.
The point is there is more ways to impact a game than just boxscore stats.
I don't understand how your last sentence compliments the sentence prior. The fact that a player like Ben Wallace can finish top ten in MVP voting, something that has a ton of competition shows that players can dominate in other ways than just arbitrary stats.
Net difference is what matters. If Noel's strengths outweigh his weaknesses, then it doesn't really matter that he does not fill up the stat sheet. I also don't see the relevance of his team being one of the worst in the league, the Timberwolves have more talent and are just as bad record wise. The Sixers are bad, but their defense isn't - that has to mean something.
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psualltheway5 wrote:MinneOOPalis wrote:HeartBreakKid wrote:
His statement about being the best at a position was ironic, so I felt the need to highlight it. I'd take Parker over Wiggin's personally, but they were basically coin flip prospects.
Noel isn't near the prospect that Wiggins is, but I have no idea how mentioning Gobert would mean anything. Gobert is older than Noel, and isn't even a rookie - it's about as relevant as mentioning that Gobert is better than Wiggins.
Because the Noel-Wiggins debate is so dumb it would make more sense to compare Wiggins to a young center superior to Noel.
It's people like this that are starting to be the reason why some Wolves fans are irritating.
They feel as if Wiggins was hand selected by God himself to bless the city of Minneapolis with basketball talent.
The fact of the matter is, he is a negative player this year. You guys can argue all you want, but at the end of the day, what Noel excels in is MUCH greater than what Wiggins excels in (which to be honest, I don't even know since Wolves fans never talk about his weakness).
It is almost as if they are getting defensive about Noel, I've never seen anything like it. Just face it, Noel has been putting up amazing stats that we see once every 2 decades in a rookie. How many rookies have averaged 19 per game? Not saying it is easy by any stretch, but being the number 1 option on a lousy team, I hope he averages 19 ppg.
Once again, I mean this to be no slight to Wiggins. I think he will be a multiple time all star.
What I am saying is that even though Wiggins may win ROY over Noel thanks to media conjecture, the fact of the matter is Noel is a better player right now. I have never seen a team defense transformation than the Sixers with Noel.
Think of it like this, would a team like the Spurs or Cavs prefer Wiggins or Noel for the rest of THIS season?
76ciology wrote:psualltheway5 wrote:MinneOOPalis wrote:Because the Noel-Wiggins debate is so dumb it would make more sense to compare Wiggins to a young center superior to Noel.
It's people like this that are starting to be the reason why some Wolves fans are irritating.
They feel as if Wiggins was hand selected by God himself to bless the city of Minneapolis with basketball talent.
The fact of the matter is, he is a negative player this year. You guys can argue all you want, but at the end of the day, what Noel excels in is MUCH greater than what Wiggins excels in (which to be honest, I don't even know since Wolves fans never talk about his weakness).
It is almost as if they are getting defensive about Noel, I've never seen anything like it. Just face it, Noel has been putting up amazing stats that we see once every 2 decades in a rookie. How many rookies have averaged 19 per game? Not saying it is easy by any stretch, but being the number 1 option on a lousy team, I hope he averages 19 ppg.
Once again, I mean this to be no slight to Wiggins. I think he will be a multiple time all star.
What I am saying is that even though Wiggins may win ROY over Noel thanks to media conjecture, the fact of the matter is Noel is a better player right now. I have never seen a team defense transformation than the Sixers with Noel.
Think of it like this, would a team like the Spurs or Cavs prefer Wiggins or Noel for the rest of THIS season?
Totally agree with Psu in this.
1.) Noel's defense far exceeds Wiggins' offense.
2.) Noels' defensive numbers is far more impressive than Wiggins' 19ppg.
Noel is leading the league in total steals and second in total blocks, post all-star. But maybe if the league values almost generational caliber defensive numbers for a rookie, then maybe they'd give Noel the exemption this year.
But I'm not expecting Noel to win ROY because that awards values offense than defense.
Big_C_KU wrote:76ciology wrote:psualltheway5 wrote:
It's people like this that are starting to be the reason why some Wolves fans are irritating.
They feel as if Wiggins was hand selected by God himself to bless the city of Minneapolis with basketball talent.
The fact of the matter is, he is a negative player this year. You guys can argue all you want, but at the end of the day, what Noel excels in is MUCH greater than what Wiggins excels in (which to be honest, I don't even know since Wolves fans never talk about his weakness).
It is almost as if they are getting defensive about Noel, I've never seen anything like it. Just face it, Noel has been putting up amazing stats that we see once every 2 decades in a rookie. How many rookies have averaged 19 per game? Not saying it is easy by any stretch, but being the number 1 option on a lousy team, I hope he averages 19 ppg.
Once again, I mean this to be no slight to Wiggins. I think he will be a multiple time all star.
What I am saying is that even though Wiggins may win ROY over Noel thanks to media conjecture, the fact of the matter is Noel is a better player right now. I have never seen a team defense transformation than the Sixers with Noel.
Think of it like this, would a team like the Spurs or Cavs prefer Wiggins or Noel for the rest of THIS season?
Totally agree with Psu in this.
1.) Noel's defense far exceeds Wiggins' offense.
2.) Noels' defensive numbers is far more impressive than Wiggins' 19ppg.
Noel is leading the league in total steals and second in total blocks, post all-star. But maybe if the league values almost generational caliber defensive numbers for a rookie, then maybe they'd give Noel the exemption this year.
But I'm not expecting Noel to win ROY because that awards values offense than defense.
Noel has been tremendous the last 6-10 games. But I'll tell you what people told Wolves fans about Wiggins when Wiggins started playing at this level in late December. It's too small of a sample size. Wiggins getting ROY has nothing to do with the NBA liking offense over defense. It has to do with the fact that Wiggins has been playing at this tremendous level for a rookie for 2 1/2 months now (36 games) while Noel has been at this level for only a month now (12 games). If Noel can keep up this play for another month then he'll challenge Wiggins for ROY.
MinneOOPalis wrote:Because the Noel-Wiggins debate is so dumb it would make more sense to compare Wiggins to a young center superior to Noel.
