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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3981 » by alphad0gz » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:27 pm

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Yep - Alphad0gz has never watched Al Horford play --- could not have been more off on scouting report.


So I did some checking. Seems like somebody is playing fast and loose with the numbers. Horford is not 17/9 with a couple of blocks at all. He is 15.5/7.6/1.4. He does get 3.3 assists, though. The Hawks are also better defensively and offensively without Horford. The numbers don't lie about that. So yeah...the dude is "a freakin all star". Every team gets one and who else would it be on the Hawks? Horford is good but he is just the player du jour for you guys. By the way....he pretty much gets his butt handed to him at center. PF is where he is very good.


reading comprehension? I said those are what I project Towns #'s to be at. I never said those were horford's numbers.

However, just look at horfords last 3 years (a decent sample size). It is pretty much 17-9-3 with a block and a half per game.

I said Towns can put up similar numbers to horford with possibly more rebounds and block shots.


I read just fine. You write very poorly. If that's what you intended to write, you missed. Go back and re-read as though you didn't know what numbers were intended for who. And by the way....if you think Towns will end up a 17/9 guy, you are underestimating him.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3982 » by Greenie » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:28 pm

Fischella wrote:saying that Okafor has more potential than Carmelo is okay because he is a big, and he could be a top5-top10 player in the league, but Towns has not, no way, no how, more potential than Carmelo Anthony.
Towns will be lucky if he reaches Paus/Horford career.

OK4 does not have more potential than Melo. The more I watch OK4 the more he looks like Al Jefferson.
...and if Towns is Horford or Pau Gasol then sign me the fuq up.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3983 » by E-Balla » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:36 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:Well I want to build my team defense first, especially my center. Jah does not have more superstar potential than Towns. They're different and can both be superstars in their own way. Id just prefer to go with the more complete player, even if he scores a few less PPG. Yea our offense was good in 2013 but our defense sucked and we fizzled in the playoffs because of that. You're proving my point. Jah would help get easy buckets inside which that team didnt have, but our D would still be trash.

I understand this feeling but our issue in 2013 was not our defense. Remember in the playoffs we actually played good defense (led by a healthy Shump). Our issue was that outside of Melo we had no offense. Still we weren't championship good but that's mainly because it was a horribly built team not because of any team principles.

Im not making this pick just with Melo in mind, but it just so happens that Towns complements Melo more to me. No more one way players. We've had Tyson, Amare, JR, Shump, etc. All one way players.

Dallas created a championship squad with one way players. The problem was most of our one way players were practically no way players and they had no skills outside of basically one or two things. If JR could pass, Shump could shoot, Amare could play, etc. the team would be way better. Talent trumps all and bringing up the fact that we built around Melo by giving out bad contracts to players with little to no talent doesn't really prove a point.

Magic and Duncan were easy fits next to Kareem and Robinson. Dont know why thats being brought up. They won titles after they picked them together, and Im trying to do the same now. Melo still has good years left in him so Im not about to just throw him aside and build around Jah. Towns is a perfect complement to Melo right off the bat and pretty soon will be a 20/10 guy himself. Add a few free agents and other pickups and thats a contender. A Melo/Jah duo is going to need to be surrounded with hard to find defensive studs who arent zeros on offense. Much easier to just take Towns and start a team of two way guys.

Duncan and Robinson play the same position! Robinson literally became a defensive role player because his offense became redundant with Tim on the team. You are right on Magic though.

And no one is saying to throw Melo to the side but why can't Melo and Jahlil work especially in the triangle. As a scorer Melo works in the same spots as Kobe and Jahlil in the same spots as Shaq.

Also on the bolded: No matter what build we are going for talent is hard to find. There's a few good defensive PFs we can put next to Jahlil as a perfect fit that are free agents RIGHT NOW. I understand that KAT is more well rounded but no matter how you build it is going to be hard to find talent. Finding 2 way players is way harder than finding one sided role players.

Mudiay seems to have an alright jumper. It needs work but you sell him short a bit. Point is players have been successful in the triangle without being great shooters. No need to box Mudiay in as a "triangle PG". Hes just a guard who we can mold into what we want. He def has better physical tools than Russell which cant be glossed over. Russell plays on a crap team but I still worry if he can get to the basket in the pros if he can barely do it in college.

Who? Michael "the greatest mid range shooter ever" Jordan and Kobe "top 5 midrange shooter ever" Bryant? You don't need to be able to hit threes but you need to be able to hit jumpers and Mudiay is about even with John Wall as a shooter.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3984 » by E-Balla » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:42 pm

This thread is hilarious because it proves that people are awed by shiny new objects. No matter what people will pick at these guys until they convince themselves they aren't that good. Early on everyone was watching Okafor and Russ and OKafor has kept his production up but you guys have turned on him. If Towns plays 2/3 bad games in the tournament half the thread will probably say he doesn't deserve to be the first pick.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3985 » by TrueWarrior » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:00 pm

E-Balla wrote:This thread is hilarious because it proves that people are awed by shiny new objects. No matter what people will pick at these guys until they convince themselves they aren't that good. Early on everyone was watching Okafor and Russ and OKafor has kept his production up but you guys have turned on him. If Towns plays 2/3 bad games in the tournament half the thread will probably say he doesn't deserve to be the first pick.


We all want to see how these guys will do in the tournament. Its not the be all indicator of success but the top prospects are so close that yes a few good or bad games could make people change their minds. Most have indicated that. I dont see how anyone could have their mind completely made up already on these guys.

I hope Kentucky and Duke go at it. It wouldnt be just Towns vs Okafor but itd be great to see them matched up.

We really dont know how they will end up and are all just pissing in the wind. Jah could be Shaq-lite or just another great post scorer who plays no defense and Towns could be AD-lite or just a solid two way role player.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3986 » by mpharris36 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:04 pm

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I read just fine. You write very poorly. If that's what you intended to write, you missed. Go back and re-read as though you didn't know what numbers were intended for who. And by the way....if you think Towns will end up a 17/9 guy, you are underestimating him.



17 pts
9 rebounds
3 assists
2 blocks
1 steal

per game is underestimating Towns? I love towns, he is my #1 guy right now. But what do you think are accurate numbers for the kid. You know if he avg that he would be an all-star every year

Holy, jeez what do you think his numbers are going to be

25 pts
15 reb
5 assist
3 blocks
2 steals

He would be in the Hall of Fame if he did that.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3987 » by NYSport » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:11 pm

E-Balla wrote:This thread is hilarious because it proves that people are awed by shiny new objects. No matter what people will pick at these guys until they convince themselves they aren't that good. Early on everyone was watching Okafor and Russ and OKafor has kept his production up but you guys have turned on him. If Towns plays 2/3 bad games in the tournament half the thread will probably say he doesn't deserve to be the first pick.


The whole point of watching these guys (from a draft perspective) is to determine who will be best for the team. Loyally backing one player defeats the purpose of scouting (or in our case prospect watching). If Okafor were to look like a dominant defender in the tournament, then it would be well within reason for the majority to gravitate back to picking him. Could some stand to be less definitive in their preference in the pick, knowing full well that it could change? Sure. Is a change in mind between now and June unreasonable? Absolutely not.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3988 » by Besart19 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:47 pm

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Fischella wrote:saying that Okafor has more potential than Carmelo is okay because he is a big, and he could be a top5-top10 player in the league, but Towns has not, no way, no how, more potential than Carmelo Anthony.
Towns will be lucky if he reaches Paus/Horford career.

OK4 does not have more potential than Melo. The more I watch OK4 the more he looks like Al Jefferson.
...and if Towns is Horford or Pau Gasol then sign me the fuq up.


Towns has a lot of Horford and Pau in him...

but with the defensive presence, leadership and his high IQ he has some similarities with Tim Duncan, too...
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3989 » by Apples » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:48 pm

I'm tired of watching no one wanting to playing defense. So give me Towns.

If Okafor played defense like Towns, forget it. No contest for who should go number 1.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3990 » by Besart19 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:58 pm

Towns, Mudiay and Stanley have more upside and higher ceiling than their peers!!

With Okafor, Russell and Kaminisky being softer and with lower motor but more polished at the same time!!
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3991 » by TrueWarrior » Tue Mar 10, 2015 5:59 pm

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greenhughes wrote:
Fischella wrote:saying that Okafor has more potential than Carmelo is okay because he is a big, and he could be a top5-top10 player in the league, but Towns has not, no way, no how, more potential than Carmelo Anthony.
Towns will be lucky if he reaches Paus/Horford career.

OK4 does not have more potential than Melo. The more I watch OK4 the more he looks like Al Jefferson.
...and if Towns is Horford or Pau Gasol then sign me the fuq up.


Towns has a lot of Horford and Pau in him...

but with the defensive presence, leadership and his high IQ he has some similarities with Tim Duncan, too...

Im more for Towns than Okafor... Would allow Melo to play the 4 more than Okafor would!

Sign and trade for Knight, sign Butler and Green via FA!!

Towns // Melo // Butler // Green // Knight


The bolded is another great aspect of Towns that hasnt been talked about much. Not only is Towns more versatile than Okafor but he'd let Melo be more versatile too by being able play the 4 more often. Those two would be matchup nightmares in the frontcourt, and Towns wont be inept on O like Tyson was.

Okafor could improve on D but I dont think he'll ever become a great enough rim protector to be out there alone with Melo like Towns can for stretches, so Jah will likely always need that defensive PF next to him which forces Melo into playing the 3 exclusively. I suppose hybrid defensive forwards like prime Marion or to a lesser extent Draymond could help Melo be a little more versatile too, but those guys are incredibly rare and they're too undersized to be great rim protectors. And imagine a guy like that PLUS Towns. The versatility and D will be nutty. Towns just gives us so many more options. Okafor better be a 25+ ppg scorer and learn to make his FTs to make him worth it if he doesn't become above average on the other end.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3992 » by aveiro » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:15 pm

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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3993 » by RaZzMaTaZz » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:44 pm

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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3994 » by jwise44 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:57 pm

I don't know why because all I have seen is early stats and heard other people's analysis on him but I think muidiay will bust or at best take a few years to become a solid starter you can count on...what I have read after reading a bunch of people's. He's a tall pg with athletisicm (but not d-rose or Westbrook or wall level) with even worse shooting than all 3 and worse decision making

He wasn't even playing that good in China last time I checked (it's been a few months has he started playing better?)

I've been saying it since the beginning I hope yall take towns. He's my favorite in the draft...I would be crushed if he went to the lakers or jazz if they sneak into the top 3
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3995 » by E-Balla » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:01 pm

NYSport wrote:
E-Balla wrote:This thread is hilarious because it proves that people are awed by shiny new objects. No matter what people will pick at these guys until they convince themselves they aren't that good. Early on everyone was watching Okafor and Russ and OKafor has kept his production up but you guys have turned on him. If Towns plays 2/3 bad games in the tournament half the thread will probably say he doesn't deserve to be the first pick.


The whole point of watching these guys (from a draft perspective) is to determine who will be best for the team. Loyally backing one player defeats the purpose of scouting (or in our case prospect watching). If Okafor were to look like a dominant defender in the tournament, then it would be well within reason for the majority to gravitate back to picking him. Could some stand to be less definitive in their preference in the pick, knowing full well that it could change? Sure. Is a change in mind between now and June unreasonable? Absolutely not.

No one is saying that I personally like all of them. Its just a lot of people in here are completely bipolar. Itsostly the people jumping in and out of the conversation I was referring to the guys who have routinely posted have been consistent for the most part.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3996 » by JBreezeNY » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:09 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:
Besart19 wrote:
greenhughes wrote:OK4 does not have more potential than Melo. The more I watch OK4 the more he looks like Al Jefferson.
...and if Towns is Horford or Pau Gasol then sign me the fuq up.


Towns has a lot of Horford and Pau in him...

but with the defensive presence, leadership and his high IQ he has some similarities with Tim Duncan, too...

Im more for Towns than Okafor... Would allow Melo to play the 4 more than Okafor would!

Sign and trade for Knight, sign Butler and Green via FA!!

Towns // Melo // Butler // Green // Knight


The bolded is another great aspect of Towns that hasnt been talked about much. Not only is Towns more versatile than Okafor but he'd let Melo be more versatile too by being able play the 4 more often. Those two would be matchup nightmares in the frontcourt, and Towns wont be inept on O like Tyson was.

Okafor could improve on D but I dont think he'll ever become a great enough rim protector to be out there alone with Melo like Towns can for stretches, so Jah will likely always need that defensive PF next to him which forces Melo into playing the 3 exclusively. I suppose hybrid defensive forwards like prime Marion or to a lesser extent Draymond could help Melo be a little more versatile too, but those guys are incredibly rare and they're too undersized to be great rim protectors. And imagine a guy like that PLUS Towns. The versatility and D will be nutty. Towns just gives us so many more options. Okafor better be a 25+ ppg scorer and learn to make his FTs to make him worth it if he doesn't become above average on the other end.

Hmm.....focusing strictly on the Melo dynamic with our young draft pick you do have to wonder about the flexibility with Melo.

As Melo gets older he's gonna pretty much be a 4 exclusively, Melo is still capable at the 3 but he clearly doesn't have the quickness to stay with other 3's in the league not to mention his defense is so much better in the post. In fact Lebron has been facing that same problem all season as well & soon Bron will have to be a 4.

All I'm saying is whoever our next big man is whether it's in the draft or the FA, he better be able to be versatile so that it allows Melo to play either the 3 or the 4 vs strictly playing the 3.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3997 » by NYSport » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:34 pm

E-Balla wrote:
NYSport wrote:
E-Balla wrote:This thread is hilarious because it proves that people are awed by shiny new objects. No matter what people will pick at these guys until they convince themselves they aren't that good. Early on everyone was watching Okafor and Russ and OKafor has kept his production up but you guys have turned on him. If Towns plays 2/3 bad games in the tournament half the thread will probably say he doesn't deserve to be the first pick.


The whole point of watching these guys (from a draft perspective) is to determine who will be best for the team. Loyally backing one player defeats the purpose of scouting (or in our case prospect watching). If Okafor were to look like a dominant defender in the tournament, then it would be well within reason for the majority to gravitate back to picking him. Could some stand to be less definitive in their preference in the pick, knowing full well that it could change? Sure. Is a change in mind between now and June unreasonable? Absolutely not.

No one is saying that I personally like all of them. Its just a lot of people in here are completely bipolar. Itsostly the people jumping in and out of the conversation I was referring to the guys who have routinely posted have been consistent for the most part.


Nah, I get where you're coming from and wasn't implying anything towards you or anybody who has taken a consistent stance. We all value certain aspects of a player differently. That's why we debate even though we all ultimately root for the same team. I was more so giving the benefit of the doubt to those who appear to randomly change their mind.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3998 » by Marty McFly » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:51 pm

ag3 wrote:If Okafor is legit, he will score 40 points, 15 rebounds against Kentucky in the tournament and knock them out.

Is that really what it's going to take to make him legit for you? :lol:
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#3999 » by Jmonty580 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:33 pm

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Jmonty580 wrote:I'm not excited. Firstly because my team sucks and wont make the tournament lol. But also because there isn't much parity. Who doesn't think Kentucky will steam roll their way to the finals and win a championship with their NBA team? boring


They will for the most part, but you never know. I am sure at some point they will get tested. They are stacked and the clear cut favorite, but there is a lot of parity after them. There are always a ton of great games.


True, with everyone else there is great parity. I'll be watching those games. But with Kentucky, its like everyone else is playing for second place! I would be wrong and I actually hope that i'm wrong, but they are just too deep, too big and too talented. Going to be hard for them to lose.

I will say with them being so young, if they get flustered they could lose to a team not as good as them if they stop playing their game. I think they have enough talent to recover even if that does happen though. We'll see how things play out.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4000 » by djphan » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:47 pm

the value of having towns is that he is a better player plain and simple... having a guy like okafor is HARDER to build around.. you thought spacing was horrible with amare and chandler? how about okafor and any center that plays in the nba together in the same frontcourt...

if you don't pair him with a good defensive center/pf .. then that means he is your center and good luck with that..

towns might not bring the same level of offense but it's not going to be too far behind okafor and he brings it on D... it's exactly how it's shaping up now at the college level and probably how it turns out in the pros...

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