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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#61 » by woosah » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:00 am

tooler wrote:
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tooler wrote:He likely missed it due to injury. He was recently named player of the month so he's not that bad. No need to pump up Payton by putting Smart down. He was a later pick so it's all gravy.

Marcus smart was named player of the month? Where did I miss this? And regardless payton is still out playing smart this yeaR. Just look at their stats. it's okay to side with your own.

Sorry, I meant rookie of the month. Let's not get too carried away. ;)

You mean the month after Elfrid was named rookie of the month? :D

heh heh

No put down to Smart, but nothing wrong with feeling good about making the better choice for us.
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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#62 » by ivDT » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:11 am

why are we talking about pimply-faced cheapshot artist marcus smart in the aaron gordon thread?
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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#63 » by tooler » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:17 am

All threads eventually converge on the same topics.
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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#64 » by OrlandO » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:44 am

Orlwillbeback wrote:
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Orlwillbeback wrote:The fact that Payton has outplayed smart this season, making the rookie game over him and all, proves we made the right choice.

He likely missed it due to injury. He was recently named player of the month so he's not that bad. No need to pump up Payton by putting Smart down. He was a later pick so it's all gravy.

Marcus smart was named player of the month? Where did I miss this? And regardless payton is still out playing smart this yeaR. Just look at their stats. it's okay to side with your own.

Smart just got it because his team won some extra games on the backs of Bradley, Sully and Thomas. Payton and Noel had better individual stats last month.
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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#65 » by gumbyr24 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 3:45 am

T-Cat wrote:Aaron Gordon reminds me so much of Andre Iguodala! Not a great shooter but has all the tools and athletic ability to cause havoc on the perimeter in transition. He also wants to get better with his overall skills so that's a plus.

A lot of people forget that this team lacks a rim protector so unless we trade Vucevic ( which is not going to happen IMO) he slides next in line to be a starter at the 3.

Or we could trade him and that would means Hennigan admits he made a error drafting this kid (Again, not going to happen because AG potential is too much to pass up on and the way he works to get better is unbelievable for a 19 yr kid).

Unless we can trade AG for an LBJ23 and KD I'll wait for him to reach his potential.


Henny trading Gordon wouldn't be an admission he made an error.
If another team values Gordon, and offers us that young rim protector
that you agree is a major need. Don't you think it would be highly negligent for Henny
not to strongly consider that?
Now if Henny trades Gordon for an average vet and a late lotto pick, that will be an admission
of a mistake.
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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#66 » by Patrick1978 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:26 am

Buna dimineata from romania
Don t panic he will be fine.He has good skills,he will work in the summer to get better.
He will improve next season.
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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#67 » by IllMagic04 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:42 pm

I like Gordon so far but I honestly don't really see him as a SF. I heard him on Sirius radio say he sees himself as a SF. I just don't see it, I always saw him as a PF.
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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#68 » by OrlDave » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:16 pm

This is a short debate on orlando magic.com about AG.

http://www.nba.com/magic/great-debate-aarons-areas-improve
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Post#69 » by ezzzp » Tue Mar 10, 2015 7:36 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:I like Gordon so far but I honestly don't really see him as a SF. I heard him on Sirius radio say he sees himself as a SF. I just don't see it, I always saw him as a PF.


He would be an undersized PF without an elite wingspan. That usually doesn't equal success unless you have an elite specialized skill like Kevin Love's shot. So it is doubtful he would be a dominant PF. He could survive at the 4 and be effective in small ball lineups but he would not dominate - especially on the defensive end.

At the 3, his combination of size, athleticism, and foot speed would make him a unique wing that is a matchup problem for the opposition every night...and defensively he would be able to physically equal or dominate nearly all SF's
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Post#70 » by locomagicfan » Tue Mar 10, 2015 8:53 pm

1) Mold Aaron Gordon to be our future SF in the likes of Kahwi Leonard/James Posey
2) Let Tobias walk and have Harkless back up A.G.
3) Draft Towns as our PF or nab one in Free Agency

Elfrid Payton/ Seth Curry
Oladipo/ Fournier
Aaron Gordon/ Harkless
Towns/Frye/Nicholson
Vucevic/ Dedmon/ Oquinn

That starting 5 gives us athleticism, offensive firepower and defense.
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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#71 » by Mad Guru » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:36 pm

locomagicfan wrote:1) Mold Aaron Gordon to be our future SF in the likes of Kahwi Leonard/James Posey
2) Let Tobias walk and have Harkless back up A.G.
3) Draft Towns as our PF or nab one in Free Agency

Elfrid Payton/ Seth Curry
Oladipo/ Fournier
Aaron Gordon/ Harkless
Towns/Frye/Nicholson
Vucevic/ Dedmon/ Oquinn

That starting 5 gives us athleticism, offensive firepower and defense.

This is a fun scenario, I laughed at the Seth Curry inclusion.

The Magic are going to sign a big name in free agency at some point as well.
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Post#72 » by KillMonger » Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:42 pm

Remember guys aaron is still 19 and can grow. He's a legit 6"9 right now, if he grows an inch or two then he will definitely be fine at pf height wise. Just have to bulk up at that point
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Post#73 » by ezzzp » Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:31 pm

Immature Luigi wrote:Remember guys aaron is still 19 and can grow. He's a legit 6"9 right now, if he grows an inch or two then he will definitely be fine at pf height wise. Just have to bulk up at that point


Its possible, never can really tell but family is a good indicator of future growth...and to me it points to him remaining about the same height.

According to an article on DraftExpress, 19 year old Drew Gordon (AG's brother) measured 6'-9" 240 lbs. Aaron Gordon at 19 measures 6'- 9" 220 lbs.

Comparing their DraftExpress NBA combine measurements (AG was 18 and DG was 22) the only real physical difference was weight and body fat w/ DG +4.5 more than AG. The big difference was AG's leaping ability which was considerable higher: + 2.5" (no step) and +5" (max vert) over his brother. Its hard to ignore that the difference in AG's athleticism over his brother is very likely related to that xtra bulk DG has. Drew Gordon is now 24 and an undersized (6'-9" 240lb) PF in the D-League.

If I was AG I would try to stay lean and keep that extra hop as that is what makes him unique. Bulk him up and its possible that physical advantage disappears.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Drew-Gordon-5158/
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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#74 » by MJallday59 » Tue Mar 10, 2015 11:36 pm

Some of the people who bash AG on this thread are the sames one who want us to offer DeAndre Jordan a contract this summer. Guess what? DJ took 2-3 years to start putting it together. Give AG the same chance. The boy still has milk on his breath.
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Post#75 » by tiderulz » Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:42 am

locomagicfan wrote:1) Mold Aaron Gordon to be our future SF in the likes of Kahwi Leonard/James Posey
2) Let Tobias walk and have Harkless back up A.G.
3) Draft Towns as our PF or nab one in Free Agency

Elfrid Payton/ Seth Curry
Oladipo/ Fournier
Aaron Gordon/ Harkless
Towns/Frye/Nicholson
Vucevic/ Dedmon/ Oquinn

That starting 5 gives us athleticism, offensive firepower and defense.


the only offensive firepower i see is Dipo and Vucci.
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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#76 » by KillMonger » Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:14 am

ezzzp wrote:
Immature Luigi wrote:Remember guys aaron is still 19 and can grow. He's a legit 6"9 right now, if he grows an inch or two then he will definitely be fine at pf height wise. Just have to bulk up at that point


Its possible, never can really tell but family is a good indicator of future growth...and to me it points to him remaining about the same height.

According to an article on DraftExpress, 19 year old Drew Gordon (AG's brother) measured 6'-9" 240 lbs. Aaron Gordon at 19 measures 6'- 9" 220 lbs.

Comparing their DraftExpress NBA combine measurements (AG was 18 and DG was 22) the only real physical difference was weight and body fat w/ DG +4.5 more than AG. The big difference was AG's leaping ability which was considerable higher: + 2.5" (no step) and +5" (max vert) over his brother. Its hard to ignore that the difference in AG's athleticism over his brother is very likely related to that xtra bulk DG has. Drew Gordon is now 24 and an undersized (6'-9" 240lb) PF in the D-League.

If I was AG I would try to stay lean and keep that extra hop as that is what makes him unique. Bulk him up and its possible that physical advantage disappears.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Drew-Gordon-5158/

We will see i guess I just think it's possible because hark grew an inch over the summer last year. Don't know if putting on bulk would cause him to lose hops, Blake is like what 250-255? And he's as explosive as it's gets.
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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#77 » by locomagicfan » Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:21 am

tiderulz wrote:
locomagicfan wrote:1) Mold Aaron Gordon to be our future SF in the likes of Kahwi Leonard/James Posey
2) Let Tobias walk and have Harkless back up A.G.
3) Draft Towns as our PF or nab one in Free Agency

Elfrid Payton/ Seth Curry
Oladipo/ Fournier
Aaron Gordon/ Harkless
Towns/Frye/Nicholson
Vucevic/ Dedmon/ Oquinn

That starting 5 gives us athleticism, offensive firepower and defense.


the only offensive firepower i see is Dipo and Vucci.


You must only count jump shots as offense.
ElFrid in the past 5 games alone has shown a lot of offensive stride. Drives, floaters, even elbow jumpers. Gordon and Towns offer offense in the form of offensive rebounds and put backs.

For arguments sake, put Frye in then for spacing and to allow rookie towns to get into an offensive rhythm.
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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#78 » by IllMagic04 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:43 am

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IllMagic04 wrote:I like Gordon so far but I honestly don't really see him as a SF. I heard him on Sirius radio say he sees himself as a SF. I just don't see it, I always saw him as a PF.


He would be an undersized PF without an elite wingspan. That usually doesn't equal success unless you have an elite specialized skill like Kevin Love's shot. So it is doubtful he would be a dominant PF. He could survive at the 4 and be effective in small ball lineups but he would not dominate - especially on the defensive end.

At the 3, his combination of size, athleticism, and foot speed would make him a unique wing that is a matchup problem for the opposition every night...and defensively he would be able to physically equal or dominate nearly all SF's


Your maybe right. Where you think would he struggle at the 4? On the Offensive or defensive end? I feel like he is gonna bulk up to guard alot of the true power forwards. Most power forwards these days play on the perimeter anyways. His foot speed and athleticism will allow him to defend them too. I think his defensive potential is crazy versatile. Offensively I think he will be pretty average rather he plays PF or SF Honestly. However the opportunitys to run the floor and catch lobs are better playing the 4 IMO. Also running the pick and roll and having him dive to the basket seems more suited from the 4.
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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#79 » by ezzzp » Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:57 am

Immature Luigi wrote:
ezzzp wrote:
Immature Luigi wrote:Remember guys aaron is still 19 and can grow. He's a legit 6"9 right now, if he grows an inch or two then he will definitely be fine at pf height wise. Just have to bulk up at that point


Its possible, never can really tell but family is a good indicator of future growth...and to me it points to him remaining about the same height.

According to an article on DraftExpress, 19 year old Drew Gordon (AG's brother) measured 6'-9" 240 lbs. Aaron Gordon at 19 measures 6'- 9" 220 lbs.

Comparing their DraftExpress NBA combine measurements (AG was 18 and DG was 22) the only real physical difference was weight and body fat w/ DG +4.5 more than AG. The big difference was AG's leaping ability which was considerable higher: + 2.5" (no step) and +5" (max vert) over his brother. Its hard to ignore that the difference in AG's athleticism over his brother is very likely related to that xtra bulk DG has. Drew Gordon is now 24 and an undersized (6'-9" 240lb) PF in the D-League.

If I was AG I would try to stay lean and keep that extra hop as that is what makes him unique. Bulk him up and its possible that physical advantage disappears.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Drew-Gordon-5158/

We will see i guess I just think it's possible because hark grew an inch over the summer last year. Don't know if putting on bulk would cause him to lose hops, Blake is like what 250-255? And he's as explosive as it's gets.


They're not really the same body type. Having just turned 20, Blake already measured 6-10 250 at the combine. That's just a much bigger frame which allows Blake to guard 4's and 5's.

Right now Gordon has the foot speed and body agility to guard 1-4 which is pretty unique. But your probably right if he grows into a 4 like Blake he'll probably still retain some of that explosiveness, but he'll likely lose some speed and agility.

in comparing the two, one thing that stuck out was that Gordon's max vert was 39" at the combine...Blake Griffins was 35.5."
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Re: THE Aaron Gordon thread 

Post#80 » by MagicFan32 » Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:48 am

he is who we thought he was
can't shoot
has defensive upside

and he doesn't play enough
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I think if you put McGee back then, he would get those blocks just as easily as Russell did. Russell's athleticism was well ahead of the players of his time, and that's about it.

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