Countdown to NBA Draft: Prospect Talk

[Fat]

A- Just because Towns plays for the #1 defense in the nation doesnt mean he's the sole reason for them being what they are. Willie stein is a MAJOR part of that due to his defensive intensity and Ability to guard any position on the floor. The dude just won the SEC defensive player of the year & maybe you watch kentucky more than me but every game i saw i have seen Willie and Towns share the floor together.. and do people not realize Kentucky is like the tallest team in the country they SHOULD be #1 in defense like Stephen A smith said "Their a bunch of trees"

the same willie stein who was anchoring the defense last year... and kentucky was #47... stein's always had a reputation for being a good defender but it never translated to the team until this year when he moved to PF... and towns was put at C...

B- No id take a prime Duncan over a blake griffin any day, Elite centers are better than Elite power forwards? Says who??? i'd take Anthony Davis over Dwight howard or demarcus cousins this very moment.

davis is in a different stratosphere... and he's as much a C as a PF ... there aren't any good current comparables but duncan was the last great center... maybe duncan vs webber is a more fair comparison...

So Towns single handedly made Kentucky the #1 defense , i hope he gonna do the same for the knicks if we draft him because thats what your making it seem. of course a new roster/ more size/ more talent/ more experience surely had nothing to do with their impressive 31-0 season & #1 defense

About willie Stein that was LAST season, THIS season he became a smarter defender, chased fewer blocks, took up more space and worked harder for position on on the defensive boards. His defensive rebounding has risen from 6.0 to 7.8 per 40 while his blocks have dropped from 4.8 to 3.0 per 40 min, if you sulk in those numbers together he's ending a similar number of possessions for opponents and when you throw in his avg of 2.7 steals per 40 he's become a better overall defender. adding onto those improvements he's also improved his ability to stay on the court without fouling. *facts

(im not taking away nothing from Towns he's a solid defender but lets not make him the solo hero for kentuckys #1 defense)

[Fat]

Regarding Towns

-Will Towns even be able to stay on the floor in the NBA? still a bit foul prone though he's shown improvement over the season, Can he avoid foul trouble against grown men? 5.7 fouls per 40 minutes

-Weak lower body strength, can he hold his position or will he get pushed around and moved out of the post in the NBA?

Regarding Okafor

-Can he improve his FT Shooting? 52% isnt dazzling

-can jahlil okafors defense be trusted? is he limited on this end? can he improve?

Who's more NBA ready? who fits our system the best

[djphan]

So Towns single handedly made Kentucky the #1 defense , i hope he gonna do the same for the knicks if we draft him because thats what your making it seem. This aint even the same roster as last years kentucky team

About willie Stein that was LAST season, THIS season he became a smarter defender, chased fewer blocks, took up more space and worked harder for position on on the defensive boards. His defensive rebounding has risen from 6.0 to 7.8 per 40 while his blocks have dropped from 4.8 to 3.0 per 40 min, if you sulk in those numbers together he's ending a similar number of possessions for opponents and when you throw in his avg of 2.7 steals per 40 he's become a better overall defender. adding onto those improvements he's also improved his ability to stay on the court without fouling. *facts

stein is a junior and kentucky's ranked below 40 in 2 out of his 3 years... the major changes this year were the additions of towns, booker, lyles and ulis and 3 out of those 4 are not good defenders....

towns is gonna be a difference maker at least on d and quite possibly immediately... with the right guys around him.. and they are available in this yr's FA class... you can build a top 5 defense next year.

[Besart19]

Regarding Towns

-Will Towns even be able to stay on the floor in the NBA? still a bit foul prone though he's shown improvement over the season, Can he avoid foul trouble against grown men? 5.7 fouls per 40 minutes

-Weak lower body strength, can he hold his position or will he get pushed around and moved out of the post in the NBA?

Regarding Okafor

-Can he improve his FT Shooting? 52% isnt dazzling

-can jahlil okafors defense be trusted? is he limited on this end? can he improve?

Who's more NBA ready? who fits our system the best

They will find out better when the workout sessions will be held!!

[Besart19]

So Towns single handedly made Kentucky the #1 defense , i hope he gonna do the same for the knicks if we draft him because thats what your making it seem. This aint even the same roster as last years kentucky team

About willie Stein that was LAST season, THIS season he became a smarter defender, chased fewer blocks, took up more space and worked harder for position on on the defensive boards. His defensive rebounding has risen from 6.0 to 7.8 per 40 while his blocks have dropped from 4.8 to 3.0 per 40 min, if you sulk in those numbers together he's ending a similar number of possessions for opponents and when you throw in his avg of 2.7 steals per 40 he's become a better overall defender. adding onto those improvements he's also improved his ability to stay on the court without fouling. *facts

stein is a junior and kentucky's ranked below 40 in 2 out of his 3 years... the major changes this year were the additions of towns, booker, lyles and ulis and 3 out of those 4 are not good defenders....

towns is gonna be a difference maker at least on d and quite possibly immediately... with the right guys around him.. and they are available in this yr's FA class... you can build a top 5 defense next year.

Gasol
Towns
Carmelo
Matthwes
Galloway

#1 defense (with Shaw taking care of the defense too in the coaching staff)

[Fat]

So Towns single handedly made Kentucky the #1 defense , i hope he gonna do the same for the knicks if we draft him because thats what your making it seem. This aint even the same roster as last years kentucky team

About willie Stein that was LAST season, THIS season he became a smarter defender, chased fewer blocks, took up more space and worked harder for position on on the defensive boards. His defensive rebounding has risen from 6.0 to 7.8 per 40 while his blocks have dropped from 4.8 to 3.0 per 40 min, if you sulk in those numbers together he's ending a similar number of possessions for opponents and when you throw in his avg of 2.7 steals per 40 he's become a better overall defender. adding onto those improvements he's also improved his ability to stay on the court without fouling. *facts

stein is a junior and kentucky's ranked below 40 in 2 out of his 3 years... the major changes this year were the additions of towns, booker, lyles and ulis and 3 out of those 4 are not good defenders....

towns is gonna be a difference maker at least on d and quite possibly immediately... with the right guys around him.. and they are available in this yr's FA class... you can build a top 5 defense next year.

Gasol
Towns
Carmelo
Matthwes
Galloway

#1 defense (with Shaw taking care of the defense too in the coaching staff)

Knicks trade the #1 pick for Pau Gasol & The Bulls pick

Pau Gasol & Calderon lure marc Gasol to the Knicks

Thats the only way i see marc gasol coming here lol

Calderon
Galloway
Melo
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol

[Milk]

2 new russell videos!!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-63Bj8sdjc[/youtube]

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNyOK3TjIg4[/youtube]

[Marty McFly]

A- Just because Towns plays for the #1 defense in the nation doesnt mean he's the sole reason for them being what they are. Willie stein is a MAJOR part of that due to his defensive intensity and Ability to guard any position on the floor. The dude just won the SEC defensive player of the year & maybe you watch kentucky more than me but every game i saw i have seen Willie and Towns share the floor together.. and do people not realize Kentucky is like the tallest team in the country they SHOULD be #1 in defense like Stephen A smith said "Their a bunch of trees"

the same willie stein who was anchoring the defense last year... and kentucky was #47... stein's always had a reputation for being a good defender but it never translated to the team until this year when he moved to PF... and towns was put at C...

B- No id take a prime Duncan over a blake griffin any day, Elite centers are better than Elite power forwards? Says who??? i'd take Anthony Davis over Dwight howard or demarcus cousins this very moment.

davis is in a different stratosphere... and he's as much a C as a PF ... there aren't any good current comparables but duncan was the last great center... maybe duncan vs webber is a more fair comparison...

So Towns single handedly made Kentucky the #1 defense , i hope he gonna do the same for the knicks if we draft him because thats what your making it seem. of course a new roster/ more size/ more talent/ more experience surely had nothing to do with their impressive 31-0 season & #1 defense

About willie Stein that was LAST season, THIS season he became a smarter defender, chased fewer blocks, took up more space and worked harder for position on on the defensive boards. His defensive rebounding has risen from 6.0 to 7.8 per 40 while his blocks have dropped from 4.8 to 3.0 per 40 min, if you sulk in those numbers together he's ending a similar number of possessions for opponents and when you throw in his avg of 2.7 steals per 40 he's become a better overall defender. adding onto those improvements he's also improved his ability to stay on the court without fouling. *facts

(im not taking away nothing from Towns he's a solid defender but lets not make him the solo hero for kentuckys #1 defense)

if the Knicks draft towns, Carmelo is going to win the defensive player of year award next year.

[TheBigBoss]

stein is a junior and kentucky's ranked below 40 in 2 out of his 3 years... the major changes this year were the additions of towns, booker, lyles and ulis and 3 out of those 4 are not good defenders....

towns is gonna be a difference maker at least on d and quite possibly immediately... with the right guys around him.. and they are available in this yr's FA class... you can build a top 5 defense next year.

Gasol
Towns
Carmelo
Matthwes
Galloway

#1 defense (with Shaw taking care of the defense too in the coaching staff)

Knicks trade the #1 pick for Pau Gasol & The Bulls pick

Pau Gasol & Calderon lure marc Gasol to the Knicks

Thats the only way i see marc gasol coming here lol

Calderon
Galloway
Melo
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol

Hell no! Btw, everyone makes a big deal about that fifth year, but I don't understand why we can't just have an opt out clause in his contract after year three and then give him 2 or more extra years at the new max. I think that 5th year thing is overrated.

[Milk]

Congrats to Okafor on POY! (nice mixtape by Duke's YT acc)

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yawMDjtZ_Mc[/youtube]

He's still my #1 wish for the Knicks, Towns and Russell after that in order.
Seems like almost everyone here wants Town #1, anyone else here still wants Okafor first on their list?

[DaGawd]

Congrats to Okafor on POY! (nice mixtape by Duke's YT acc)

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yawMDjtZ_Mc[/youtube]

He's still my #1 wish for the Knicks, Towns and Russell after that in order.
Seems like almost everyone here wants Town #1, anyone else here still wants Okafor first on their list?

Almost dead even for me with Okafor and Towns. I got Towns slightly higher because of defensive potentisl but you can't go wrong with either really in my book

[ag3]

If Okafor is legit, he will score 40 points, 15 rebounds against Kentucky in the tournament and knock them out.

Is that really what it's going to take to make him legit for you?

Yes. The greats perform in the Tournament.

[E-Balla]

If Okafor is legit, he will score 40 points, 15 rebounds against Kentucky in the tournament and knock them out.

Is that really what it's going to take to make him legit for you?

Yes. The greats perform in the Tournament.

Oh **** I thought you were joking... Seriously put prime Shaq against that team surrounded by the players Duke has, and only having 40 minutes total on the clock and I'd bet money he doesn't hit 40 half the time. The game is too slow and that interior defense of Kentucky is giant and great at the same time.

[Milk]

If Okafor is legit, he will score 40 points, 15 rebounds against Kentucky in the tournament and knock them out.

Is that really what it's going to take to make him legit for you?

Yes. The greats perform in the Tournament.

Okay, since you said Okafor should score 40 pts and grab 15 rbs to be considered 'legit' then Towns must do the same thing as well to Duke or any other team in the finals (provided his team reaches it?).

It's only fair.

[Manhattan Project]

Yes. The greats perform in the Tournament.

You also gotta take everything in perspective though otherwise you look like a fool when you draft Joe Alexander or Chris Wilcox.

[Apples]

stein is a junior and kentucky's ranked below 40 in 2 out of his 3 years... the major changes this year were the additions of towns, booker, lyles and ulis and 3 out of those 4 are not good defenders....

towns is gonna be a difference maker at least on d and quite possibly immediately... with the right guys around him.. and they are available in this yr's FA class... you can build a top 5 defense next year.

Gasol
Towns
Carmelo
Matthwes
Galloway

#1 defense (with Shaw taking care of the defense too in the coaching staff)

Knicks trade the #1 pick for Pau Gasol & The Bulls pick

Pau Gasol & Calderon lure marc Gasol to the Knicks

Thats the only way i see marc gasol coming here lol

Calderon
Galloway
Melo
Pau Gasol
Marc Gasol

Best team in the East right there.

[DickGrayson]

A- Just because Towns plays for the #1 defense in the nation doesnt mean he's the sole reason for them being what they are. Willie stein is a MAJOR part of that due to his defensive intensity and Ability to guard any position on the floor. The dude just won the SEC defensive player of the year & maybe you watch kentucky more than me but every game i saw i have seen Willie and Towns share the floor together.. and do people not realize Kentucky is like the tallest team in the country they SHOULD be #1 in defense like Stephen A smith said "Their a bunch of trees"

the same willie stein who was anchoring the defense last year... and kentucky was #47... stein's always had a reputation for being a good defender but it never translated to the team until this year when he moved to PF... and towns was put at C...

B- No id take a prime Duncan over a blake griffin any day, Elite centers are better than Elite power forwards? Says who??? i'd take Anthony Davis over Dwight howard or demarcus cousins this very moment.

davis is in a different stratosphere... and he's as much a C as a PF ... there aren't any good current comparables but duncan was the last great center... maybe duncan vs webber is a more fair comparison...

So Towns single handedly made Kentucky the #1 defense , i hope he gonna do the same for the knicks if we draft him because thats what your making it seem. of course a new roster/ more size/ more talent/ more experience surely had nothing to do with their impressive 31-0 season & #1 defense

About willie Stein that was LAST season, THIS season he became a smarter defender, chased fewer blocks, took up more space and worked harder for position on on the defensive boards. His defensive rebounding has risen from 6.0 to 7.8 per 40 while his blocks have dropped from 4.8 to 3.0 per 40 min, if you sulk in those numbers together he's ending a similar number of possessions for opponents and when you throw in his avg of 2.7 steals per 40 he's become a better overall defender. adding onto those improvements he's also improved his ability to stay on the court without fouling. *facts

(im not taking away nothing from Towns he's a solid defender but lets not make him the solo hero for kentuckys #1 defense)

It's a stretch calling WCS better than Towns defensively because they're both on the same level right now, so it holds no truth.

Also without Towns, Kentucky wouldn't be undefeated. He's their most important piece.

It's a also matter preference, I believe they're both A+ level defenders.
I prefer Towns, he makes the game look easy defensively. WCS did struggled in his first two seasons at Kentucky, he's was good but not great. WCS is a great defensive player, but Towns hasn't even scratched the surface yet and is already at the same level.

Both guys can make all NBA defensive teams in the future.

[DickGrayson]

So Towns single handedly made Kentucky the #1 defense , i hope he gonna do the same for the knicks if we draft him because thats what your making it seem. This aint even the same roster as last years kentucky team

About willie Stein that was LAST season, THIS season he became a smarter defender, chased fewer blocks, took up more space and worked harder for position on on the defensive boards. His defensive rebounding has risen from 6.0 to 7.8 per 40 while his blocks have dropped from 4.8 to 3.0 per 40 min, if you sulk in those numbers together he's ending a similar number of possessions for opponents and when you throw in his avg of 2.7 steals per 40 he's become a better overall defender. adding onto those improvements he's also improved his ability to stay on the court without fouling. *facts

stein is a junior and kentucky's ranked below 40 in 2 out of his 3 years... the major changes this year were the additions of towns, booker, lyles and ulis and 3 out of those 4 are not good defenders....

towns is gonna be a difference maker at least on d and quite possibly immediately... with the right guys around him.. and they are available in this yr's FA class... you can build a top 5 defense next year.

Booker is surprisingly good on defense. mini-Klay Thompson is a good comparison for him.

[Johnny Hoops]

saying that Okafor has more potential than Carmelo is okay because he is a big, and he could be a top5-top10 player in the league, but Towns has not, no way, no how, more potential than Carmelo Anthony.
Towns will be lucky if he reaches Paus/Horford career.

OK4 does not have more potential than Melo. The more I watch OK4 the more he looks like Al Jefferson.
...and if Towns is Horford or Pau Gasol then sign me the fuq up.

This!

But I will say -- Okafor's feet are 10X quicker than Big Al's with the ball in his hands in the post and Okafor already has far more moves in his arsenal than Big Al.

When it comes to Towns vs. Okafor --- I just want us to have a legit 2 way BIG that does everything well and plays with energy. Towns is that guy - hopefully we get him.

[Johnny Hoops]

Personally I dont say to much in this thread because I have the player I want from the start and it's the other players duty to sway my view.......and they havent. All the top players have flaws that could hinder them on the next level, but personally I want Phil to draft the player he thinks can help now and in the future in as many ways as possible on the court.

To me that is Towns and always have been.

Same here Thugger - been Towns from day 1.

I can't say that Okafor's offensive polish doesn't entice me but the thought of pairing 2 sluggish athletes (Melo/Okafor) who both want/need the ball in their hands and are offensively only players is a big turn off for me.

At best we'd be trying to outscore people every night with everyone standing around watching Melo tossing up 28 shots and Okafor another 20 --- yet playing little defense on the other end.