Det @ Gsw,10:30 pm

[DBC10]

7-18 for 20 points and all 18 shots likely within 5 feet, that's awful

It's actually 7-16 or 7-15, if you watched the game. RJ and some others passed it to him while the clock was winding down.

You act like he went Josh Smith level of inefficiency. This is fine against a defensive juggernaut in GSW. Let it go.

So it's an excuse for him but not for anybody else huh? What about all of the bonehead plays he makes every game? Do those not count because there isn't a stat for them?

What are you talking about, I made an excuse for both bigs. I never got around to actually talking about KCP since I think he played decently regardless of his shooting woes. My first few posts were in direct response to a select few pointing out how our bigs played terribly inefficient, when in reality, it goes beyond the simply staring at the box score. That's honestly been my whole point, the whole team played decently except for RJ before the 4th quarter. The fact that we went toe to toe with a contender during our slump means a lot.

I'm not even going to address that boneheaded talking point or wherever you got that out of your hat. That's on your burden to prove what you just claimed, not I.

Like I said, let it go. I know you'll always be on Greg's ass no matter what, it's a gimmick you have lol. You'll just be on his ass a little less when he plays well or make some excuse that his competition was less or something.

[sc8581]

Draymond has struggled against Monroe, Bosh, Aldridge, Griffin, Love, ZBO, Millsap, Davis, Gasol, just to name a few.

Basically good PFs have field days on him but he can contain the lesser and smaller PFs. He would help us against the mediocre PFs but would do little to stop the good PFs. The idea that he's some elite defensive stopper is a farce. He's very good defensively but he's not a transformative defender. He struggles with the very same players that Monroe has been criticized for "allowing to go off". At the end of the day Green is a 6'7' PF who will never truly be an elite defender because he is so undersized. Anything Detroit would gain in swapping Monroe with Green would be negated by Green's poor rebounding (Green does not play SF, he plays PF/C to those who dismiss Green's mediocre rebounding due to position) and lack of offensive ability.

I really do like what Green provides, he is a very well rounded role player.But he's the kind of guy who excels around superstar caliber players, which GSW has 2 of and Detroit has zero. He could not replicate his success as a Piston. Too many Pistons fans are looking at Draymond like he is some sort of savior, which I think is because of his local roots and not his actual talent level.

He's not going to shut all of those guys down but he will make them work for theirs and most importantly he's a good help defender so he helps the TEAM, something Monroe doesn't do at all. I never said Green was any kind of savior, he's a good ball player that contributes in a lot of different ways, much like KCP. You put those two on a squad with Drummond, a good offensive PG and forward and the TEAM will excel no matter what their stats say.

And if you put Monroe and Drummond on a squad with a good offensive PG and wings that can shoot, the TEAM will excel no matter what.

That's not true because you have too much redundancy

[sc8581]

It's actually 7-16 or 7-15, if you watched the game. RJ and some others passed it to him while the clock was winding down.

You act like he went Josh Smith level of inefficiency. This is fine against a defensive juggernaut in GSW. Let it go.

So it's an excuse for him but not for anybody else huh? What about all of the bonehead plays he makes every game? Do those not count because there isn't a stat for them?

What are you talking about, I made an excuse for both bigs. I never got around to actually talking about KCP since I think he played decently regardless of his shooting woes. My first few posts were in direct response to a select few pointing out how our bigs played terribly inefficient, when in reality, it goes beyond the simply staring at the box score. That's honestly been my whole point, the whole team played decently except for RJ before the 4th quarter. The fact that we went toe to toe with a contender during our slump means a lot.

I'm not even going to address that boneheaded talking point or wherever you got that out of your hat. That's on your burden to prove what you just claimed, not I.

Like I said, let it go. I know you'll always be on Greg's ass no matter what, it's a gimmick you have lol. You'll just be on his ass a little less when he plays well or make some excuse that his competition was less or something.

I think he's playing out of position and it hurts the team, that's always been my stance. He's not the only one that gets stuck chucking something up as the shot clock expires, it's rarely him actually.

[Lucidity]

Like I said, SC's feet are dug in. He swung & missed on Josh, no way hes gonna eat this Monroe/Drummond thing succeeding too.

It will always be something.

[Lucidity]

Draymond has struggled against Monroe, Bosh, Aldridge, Griffin, Love, ZBO, Millsap, Davis, Gasol, just to name a few.

Because he is a 3 not a 4. Hes a shrimp next to those big 7 footers. How so many guys are still confused on this is sad.

& I hate that us being honest on Draymond not being a good fit here is starting to sound like we dont like Draymond.

I love Draymond. Perfect fit in Oakland. Horrible fit here.

[DBC10]

As a MSU alum, I'll love BDD (Big D*** Dray) always. But GSW will match and laugh at us and then also, he doesn't fit here.

Even Josh Smith with being wide open is shooting league-average % from the 3 ball with the Rockets. I don't trust Dray for the same reason since we don't have a star that draws attention at the perimeter and while driving.

[Laimbeer]

I'm just reading the box score, But Reggie outplayed Curry? Amirite?

[joedumars1]

I'm just reading the box score, But Reggie outplayed Curry? Amirite?

I guess you could say that, Curry was missing 3's he normally would hit tho.

Jackson did this tho, this is from another guy on a different forum, but it sums it up perfect

One of the better games Reggie had since joining the team... until the 4th quarter. He came back in a close game and tried to assert himself and force the issue. Had a couple bad turnovers, took early shot clock shots, and then inexplicably just decided to basically dribble out the game in the final seconds.

Tarnished what would have been a very good game for him. He didn't force shots early in the game. The shots he did take early on were generally good looks and he made a lot of them. Got Monroe the ball quite a bit to exploit Draymond on defense. But then the 4th quarter happened. Too bad.

"He came back in a close game and tried to assert himself and force the issue. Had a couple bad turnovers, took early shot clock sho"

Does that remind you guys of anyone?

[DBC10]

We actually looked pretty good during the stretch when Reggie was on the bench and Dinwiddie was running the offense. It looked more fluid and our guys looked active.

Reggie had an ok game, I don't know if I would say he destroyed Curry or anything like that since Curry was dishing crisp passes but couldn't make his shots which are usually considered wide open for him.

[old rem]

As a MSU alum, I'll love BDD (Big D*** Dray) always. But GSW will match and laugh at us and then also, he doesn't fit here.

Even Josh Smith with being wide open is shooting league-average % from the 3 ball with the Rockets. I don't trust Dray for the same reason since we don't have a star that draws attention at the perimeter and while driving.

GSW expects to pay Dray $10-12 mill per. For a 6-7 PF..who gets 12 pt,8 reb.. that's quite a chunk of money but he works good there. They HAVE in Curry+ Klay..elite shoot+ score guards. Dray fits the chemistry well and they are winning. If Detroit or whoever was to bid $15 mill per.. I'd be quite surprised. Will GSW match all the way up to a $15 mill max? I can't say.. they don't plan on needing to but Dray is a guy they like ...beyond the numbers anyone else has to ponder.

Who has cap space in the area of $10-20 mill? Mostly.. not top contenders. Teams in the Below .500 area want bang for the buck...not a role guy..even a VERY good role guy. Teams that HAVE the shooters, have the big guy.. may like Dray... but do they need a PF? Currently... there's more teams hunting for a good SF or SG.

[Laimbeer]

As a MSU alum, I'll love BDD (Big D*** Dray) always. But GSW will match and laugh at us and then also, he doesn't fit here.

Even Josh Smith with being wide open is shooting league-average % from the 3 ball with the Rockets. I don't trust Dray for the same reason since we don't have a star that draws attention at the perimeter and while driving.

GSW expects to pay Dray $10-12 mill per. For a 6-7 PF..who gets 12 pt,8 reb.. that's quite a chunk of money but he works good there. They HAVE in Curry+ Klay..elite shoot+ score guards. Dray fits the chemistry well and they are winning. If Detroit or whoever was to bid $15 mill per.. I'd be quite surprised. Will GSW match all the way up to a $15 mill max? I can't say.. they don't plan on needing to but Dray is a guy they like ...beyond the numbers anyone else has to ponder.

Who has cap space in the area of $10-20 mill? Mostly.. not top contenders. Teams in the Below .500 area want bang for the buck...not a role guy..even a VERY good role guy. Teams that HAVE the shooters, have the big guy.. may like Dray... but do they need a PF? Currently... there's more teams hunting for a good SF or SG.

Here's the thing - how easy is it to get a really good player to come to Detroit? I started a thread in PC and most compare him favorably to Ibaka, which surprises and pleases me. Not to mention that contract won't look as big under the new contract. I wouldn't be shocked to see a Detroit offer $15M.

[old rem]

...anyhow...I meant to say the Pistons put up a good fight. Nobody beats GSW on their home floor.. but it's good to be close.