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Re: GT: Hornets vs Kings Wed March 11 7PM EST 

Post#461 » by Eoghan » Thu Mar 12, 2015 5:54 pm

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DY_nasty wrote:I say pace but I should clarify to mean offensive movement in general. Our best players are all wings by far so an effective screen is gonna do wonders for everyone. They want to create off the dribble naturally. Alfense works with two solid off-ball contributors on the floor. We don't have that. (But it does explain why Cliff is in love with JT)

Also, clogging the paint? Eh. Al left and Kemba's % in the paint went up a LOT. Our guards can actually go to the rim *with* the ball because Al isn't going to be camped out in there. Al's lineups have a higher assist rate because we apparently only run working half-court sets with Al on the court. That goes back to my and Sik's shots at Cliff about preparedness in general.


jdm3 wrote:Normally I agree with a lot of what you say but I think all of this is completely wrong.

Our pace of play and movement in the half court was so much better when Al was out. The number of passes per possession appeared to skyrocket. Now that Al is back we have not gone all the way back to the way it was before but we have become way more stagnant again.

Assist rate can be attributed to being so stationary. When there are all the passes that then lead to open lanes which were scoring drives to the bucket the assist goes away. Our ball movement was so much better when Al went down and everyone was getting into the game and engaged. When we slow the ball down and stand around to see if Al is going to shoot or not guy seem to get more distracted or bored.


Well, no, it can't be completely wrong, JDM3. It's numerically proven. The pace itself doesn't change because of Biz playing instead of Al. It's a fact since stats show that it is so.

Now I get what you are saying about offensive movement in general. Yes, that's a fair point. However, don't confuse it with pace. It seems like me and DY_nasty clarified this and are on the same page now.

You're incorrect about Kemba's % in the paint though, Nasty.

During the stretch Al was out, Kemba shot at 40.9% from closer than 5 feet to the basket. That number for the season is 48.8%. The difference in attempts is almost not there. So I don't see how he was able to get to the rim more easily with Al out.

Matter of fact, this whole thing goes back to what I said before about Biz-centric line-ups. A reason for why there are more passes is in a way the fact that Biz is offensively challenged. At that point our primary course of action is attempting numerous pick-n-rolls just because we have a hard time creating good looks (obviously, Biz being a good screen setter is also a factor and why we do this).

And it was a catastrophe when Biz had to play with the starters. As I wrote the week after Al going down, it actually became way harder for Kemba to attack with Al out and Biz in. It turned into defenses launching a two-man pursuit on Kemba as they weren't worried about the cutter (Biz or Cody) and the other big ignored the other one of them.

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It was Kemba one-on-two galore. If it improved the number of passes we had in a possession, it was because we had to take all of the 24 seconds to find a good shot.

Good luck to Kemba finding an opening in the paint in such an environment.

Kemba is partly to blame with stagnant offense in Biz lineups b/c he sucks at passing to the roll man anyway. Lance and Mo look like Jason Kidd compared to Kemba in this aspect.
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Re: GT: Hornets vs Kings Wed March 11 7PM EST 

Post#462 » by DY_nasty » Thu Mar 12, 2015 7:51 pm

Eh? Kemba's points in the paint and finishing at the rim have always been tragic. His run where he got player of the month was the only time that didn't hold true.

Also, that Houston game was ugly start to finish and was one of our first games transitioning without Al too. Of course we looked even worse than usual :lol:
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Re: GT: Hornets vs Kings Wed March 11 7PM EST 

Post#463 » by Braggins » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:45 pm

Kembas fg% at the rim was good his sophomore year. It has been bad since Al has been here. That year could have been an outlier though.

Based on on-court/off-court statistics, we are better on offense when Biz is in the game compared to when he isnt. We are worse offensively when Al is in the game. I havent checked the stats in a couple weeks but I think Biz is around +2, while Al is around -5.
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Re: GT: Hornets vs Kings Wed March 11 7PM EST 

Post#464 » by yosemiteben » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:52 pm

Braggins wrote:Based on on-court/off-court statistics, we are better on offense when Biz is in the game compared to when he isnt. We are worse offensively when Al is in the game. I havent checked the stats in a couple weeks but I think Biz is around +2, while Al is around -5.

It's actually +5.5 for Biz, which to me is surprising considering our second unit that he was stuck running with most of this season has sucked all year offensively. Didn't expect that when I looked it up.
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Re: GT: Hornets vs Kings Wed March 11 7PM EST 

Post#465 » by JDR720 » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:55 pm

Al is taking 16 shots to score 17pts, that is horrible for a center (or any player really) he has been a complete negative
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Re: GT: Hornets vs Kings Wed March 11 7PM EST 

Post#466 » by Braggins » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:57 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:Based on on-court/off-court statistics, we are better on offense when Biz is in the game compared to when he isnt. We are worse offensively when Al is in the game. I havent checked the stats in a couple weeks but I think Biz is around +2, while Al is around -5.

It's actually +5.5 for Biz, which to me is surprising considering our second unit that he was stuck running with most of this season has sucked all year offensively. Didn't expect that when I looked it up.

Oh wow, that is impressive. Its gotta be his monster screens because he doest offer much else. He has improved at being a threat as the roll man but he still isnt great in that aspect. It always seems like our guards get a lot more space when Biz (and also Cody) is setting screens. Maybe Im wrong, but thats been my observation.
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Re: GT: Hornets vs Kings Wed March 11 7PM EST 

Post#467 » by BeesWax » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:07 pm

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yosemiteben wrote:
Braggins wrote:Based on on-court/off-court statistics, we are better on offense when Biz is in the game compared to when he isnt. We are worse offensively when Al is in the game. I havent checked the stats in a couple weeks but I think Biz is around +2, while Al is around -5.

It's actually +5.5 for Biz, which to me is surprising considering our second unit that he was stuck running with most of this season has sucked all year offensively. Didn't expect that when I looked it up.

Oh wow, that is impressive. Its gotta be his monster screens because he doest offer much else. He has improved at being a threat as the roll man but he still isnt great in that aspect. It always seems like our guards get a lot more space when Biz (and also Cody) is setting screens. Maybe Im wrong, but thats been my observation.

Rebounding at both ends helps this as well. We have been a much better per possession rebounding team with Biz. Add that to the better defense and second chance points it gets us and we are solid.
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Re: GT: Hornets vs Kings Wed March 11 7PM EST 

Post#468 » by Braggins » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:09 pm

JDR720 wrote:Al is taking 16 shots to score 17pts, that is horrible for a center (or any player really) he has been a complete negative

And our defense is 8 points worse per 100 possession when hes on the court. Hes just all around bad.

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