NBAPA Lawyer: Double standard exists regarding age limit for black basketball players and white athletes in other sports

[Bill Bradley]

This is a pretty compelling video on race in America that a friend just posted. Tim Wise is a great speaker though he is not without his critics.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbOR8_T91mU[/youtube]

[wigglestrue]

Oh, Bill...really? Tim Wise? Ugh.

Folks, there is your white Sharpton. Except he's way more insidious. It's like a David Miscavige speech at a Scientology gala. Circular, cultish nonsense. Only difference is the prestige of academia. The ourpouring of reflexive, impenetrable assent from the likeminded is quite similar.

Bill, what do YOU think? Do you, anymore?

[Pointgod]

There is racism and hate crimes everywhere not just against black people. But it's a one sided deal here where only the black man is some victim in some giant racist conspiracy. But it gets ratings and it makes money sadly. Sharpton and the media know this and make a living off of it.

So two questions.
1) Why is there no white Al Sharpton bringing attention to all these hate crimes against white people?
2) Show me where there has been a systemic problem with the way white victims are treated unequally when the suspects is black?
If there is a rash of shootings of black people targeting white people and getting away with it simply because they're white then I'm sure Fox news would have been on top of it a long time ago.

And the absolute honest to God, mind boggling thing is that there are unarmed white people that get killed by police, no one is denying that. But the fact is that bringing up the injustices that black people face and overhauling the justice system would benefit EVERYONE not just black people. But the people are too caught up in crying about Al Sharpton and the fact that black actually "winning" that they would rather defend institutional racism to their own detriment. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Great point. Echoed here:

http://m.theatlantic.com/politics/archi ... wn/387196/

Now, conversely, why don't black activists lead their arguments with the notion that the wrongs inflicted on them are just plain wrong, unconstitutional, immoral, just as much as they would be if...or, rather...just as much as they are when white people suffer the same wrongs but at smaller rates? Except that, also, to add insult to injury, a racist motive is suspected. Why lead with the latter? Why the outrage over, say, #alllivesmatter? Is that not in the same face-spiting ballpark? Do the bitterest racial angles and pockets of unrest serve the interests of the power elite? I'll go ahead and mark that as a "Yes" in advance. But remember, the left has its own power elite, too, with its own vision for cultivating dissent for its own reasons. It wouldn't just be corporate Republicans happy about racially dividing the lower classes to distraction and gaining an electoral boost from the latent racist demographic, too. The left also has an agenda. Not just the establishment suits in the Democratic Party. The captains of rabblerousing do, too.

My question is why the hell does it bother white people so much about the black lives matter? Black activists focus on the injustices against black people because simply put, they feel the effects more. There are racial disparities in America that the majority of white people should feel fortunate that they'll never experience. The fact that you think focusing on black lives is some how racist is absurd, that's like saying the LGTB community should be fighting for the rights of heterosexual men. And to put things in perspective it's not just "black activists" that are fighting against injustice, it's people educated on the subject of all races, religions and ethnicities, but of course you'll never see that on the mainstream media. And yes there's outrage with the #alllivesmatter because people are trying to co-opt a movement and derail the focus. Blacklivesmatter, but that doesn't mean that all lives won't benefit if you make black lives matter. The best analogy is I've heard about this is that the alllivesmatter is akin to driving by a funeral for someone's grandmother and saying "I lost someone too!". The problem is that black people aren't even seen as Americans, EVERYONE should be pissed off at what's happening to Americans at the hands of police

Sharpton is a trained "community organizer", and while I hate to sound like Glenn ******* Beck, lol, there is kind of a manual on how to do that, how to be an effective radical leader, and part of it involves inflaming resentments. I think it'd smack of racism to assume Sharpton is an opportunist for his own material gain. It's far more generous to his reputation to assume he is an opportunist in the service of what he perceives as a righteous ideological agenda. And that that is why he rushes to co-opt every national racial incident, thereby poisoning all hope of a constructive discourse between the races right off the bat because most people of any persuasion do not like or trust him, period, not to mention the latent and not-so-latent racists who are especially drawn into the national discussion to attack him like catnip.

Sorry but anyone who lets Sharpton determine their stance on an issue wasn't serious about discourse in the first place. You act like if Al Sharpton didn't exist there wouldn't be these racial issues in America. If Al Sharpton didn't exist, people would just bitch about another civil rights activist. It's not Sharpton that's the problem, its that he has the audacity to speak out on these issues (rightly or wrongly) and that rustles people's jimmies.

When a Republican administration embraced shady white political mercenaries with criminal backgrounds and a penchant for defrauding the media, I didn't like or trust them, either. To imagine that there are no black equivalents on the other side would be...well, patronizing, racist. There's got to be. Sharpton is just what one would guess that equivalent looks and sounds and acts like.

[Bill Bradley]

Oh, Bill...really? Tim Wise? Ugh.

Folks, there is your white Sharpton. Except he's way more insidious. It's like a David Miscavige speech at a Scientology gala. Circular, cultish nonsense. Only difference is the prestige of academia. The ourpouring of reflexive, impenetrable assent from the likeminded is quite similar.

Bill, what do YOU think? Do you, anymore?

You are truly nuts. The only problem with Tim Wise is that he's a white guy profiting from the exploitation of people of color and doesn't respond well to criticism. Other than that, everything he says here is spot on.

Looking forward to discussing bball related topics with you. Didn't realize you were crazy in the political arena

[Sixerscan]

Yep, and its already been ruled that there is no rational basis for age discrimination when it comes to the draft. At least when it comes to those 18 and older.

As for negotiations, my point still stands, a racist society makes it easier for the NBA to get away with this. Public sentiment matters, media sentiment matters, and now, there's the possibility that the union might actually have a more sympathetic ear. Yes, you can blame the union for conceding I suppose, but this was a tough point for the union to win on, in large part due to racism, a racial double standard.

That's all my point really was. I think the dofference of opinion between us is that I'm not seeing this as a level playing field. Obviously things are tilted towards ownership because they have the deeper pockets, but because of the racial aspect, they'll also get quite a bit more public and media support. Hopefully that's changing, and people can see that what is going on with the age requirement, and even more in the NCAA is wrong and needs to change.

Who ruled that? A court? I must have missed that.

Spencer Haywood ruling.

Oh for some reason I thought you meant what they are doing now is illegal, all clear now.

Yeah, the NBAPA has to sign off on stuff like this. I still don't understand why you are making that distinction though. There are probably hundreds of rules that would violate the Sherman Act if not for the NBAPA agreeing to them. That's just part of a union/employer relationship.

[MotownMadness]

Al Sharpton has run for political office in New York and ran for President in the 2004 Democratic Primary. The news media almost always refers to Sharpton as “Reverend” or “Civil Rights Activist”. The truth behind Sharpton is scary to say the least. Different white politicians and other celebrities (Trent Lott, Jimmy “the Greek” Snyder, etc) have been destroyed by making off handed remarks that were considered “insensitive” by todays’ standards of political correctness. But the main stream media shows every desire to gloss over and just not report on black politicians who are guilty of much more serious things then off handed remarks. The truth about Al Sharpton should be made known to everybody who cares about justice and racial harmony.

1987: A 15 year old black girl in New York named Tawana Brawley claims she was abducted by a group of white men and raped. Without any investigation into her claims, and having no evidence, Sharpton and two associates, C. Vernon Mason and Alton Maddox demanded the arrest of Dutchess County Assistant District Attorney Steven Pagones; Harry J. Crist Jr., a part-time Fishkill Police Officer who committed suicide a week after being falsely accused; and Scott Patterson, a State Trooper. After a lengthy investigation, it was determined that Brawley made it all up. The truth doesn’t mean anything to Sharpton. Even after it became clear that no crime occurred, Sharpton still stood by his lies and dared Pagones to sue him. Pagones not only sued Sharpton, but also Mason, Maddox and Brawley.

After never ending legal maneuvering, in 1997, Pagones won a defamation lawsuit against Sharpton, Brawley and her lawyers. Brawley was found liable for $190,000, Maddox for $97,000, Mason for $188,000, and Sharpton was ordered to pay $66,000, money that was coughed up by O.J. Simpson lawyer Johnnie Cochran and others. Refusing to be held accountable for her lies, Brawley left town and went into hiding. She was located in January 2013 by investigators hired by the New York Post. She was living under the name Tawana Vacenia Thompson Gutierrez in Hopewell, Va.[2][3]

Even after the settlements, Sharpton refused to admit his guilt or apologize to Pagones or for his considerable role in almost single handedly creating serious racial tensions in the city. In 2008 Sharpton made an apology but the sincerity is debatable, as he was only doing this to help his pal Obama get elected President.

1991: A Hasidic Jew driving through the Crown Heights section of Brooklyn accidentally hits and kills a 7 year old black child with his car. Anti-Jewish riots erupt. Sharpton rushes in to spur the crowds on with his hate. At the child’s funeral, he rants against the “diamond merchants” (Jews) and claims Jews have “the blood of innocent babies” on their hands. He organizes hundreds of angry demonstrators to march through the Jewish neighborhood, chanting, “No justice, no peace.” During one of these demonstrations, a rabbinical student, Yankel Rosenbaum, is surrounded by a black mob shouting “Kill the Jews” and stabbed to death.

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1995: The United House of Prayer is a large black landlord in Harlem. When they raised the rent on a white Jewish owned store named Freddy’s Fashion Mart, Freddy’s owners in turn were forced to raise the rent on a subtenant, a black owned music store. A rent dispute arises, and once again, Sharpton races in to incite violence and hatred. “We will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business.” Sharpton’s National Action Network - mostly a gang of thugs - sets up picket lines around Freddy’s. Customers going into the store are spat on and cursed as “traitors” and “Uncle Toms.”

Some protesters shout, “Burn down the Jew store!” and simulate striking a match. “We’re going to see that this cracker suffers,” says Sharpton’s colleague Morris Powell. In December, one of the protesters bursts into Freddy’s, orders black patrons out, shoots four employees point-blank, then sets the store on fire. Seven employees die in the inferno.

Al Sharpton is a “Reverend” in name only. He is a racist, has instigated murders and is an absolute liar. Any white person with this kind of record would be completely ignored and discredited and quite possibly doing life in prison.

For those democratic candidates to stand next to Sharpton during the debates in the presidential primary in 2004 was a travesty of justice. Yet Kerry, Dean and the rest treated this scum with respect and then allowed him to speak at the Democratic convention. When Sharpton made an appearance in Boston during the primaries, the news coverage was overwhelmingly positive. Both the Boston Globe and Boston Herald had nothing but positive things to report.

Instead of Sharpton being condemned, white liberals like Kerry, Dean, Kennedy, Biden and their minions in the main stream media continue to not only ignore the evil done by black bigots like Sharpton, but go out of their way to embrace them. When will liberals understand the difference between right and wrong? Answer: When enough people wake up and vote these white liberals out of office.

[Black Jack]

I'm half black / half white. Always identified as black. Grew up in a mixed environment.....sad to say but I don't have any white friends left at this point in life other than a couple of older Jewish guys who are friends of the family and are more like uncles to me than homies. Honestly some kind of racism b.s. always comes up when I try and be friends with white guys and its just more trouble than it's worth. I know there are good white people but with very very very few exceptions it seems like theres always some white supremacy under the surface dealing with white Americans.

The frustrating thing is how easily white people discard what we say. We can directly tell you racism is a problem, the cops are brutal, etc., and it's like what we say doesn't matter. I am trying not to dwell on the news too much right now because it's just too sad. There is a TON of racism in America. And when I say racism I don't mean Joe Billy Bob in a trailer park cursing. I mean like, white supremacy with a business model. Exhibit A: the detailed report on how the Ferguson PD is basically a criminal gang robbing black citizens. And this goes on all over America.

Frankly half or more of white America seems to absolutely lack empathy or a conscience, like sociopaths. Just being honest here - you guys come off as straight up horrible humans. Shot out to the people who don't. But the second I hear "Al Sharpton this", "single black mothers that", I'm done talking to you. It's just all too obvious where you're coming from. LOL at the poster who said racism is done because Obama got elected.

Nobody knows the powerful more than the people who they rule over. And black folks in America know white folks better than you seem to know yourselves.

/rant hopefully I didn't offend anyone and good posters of all races can get back to hoops but.....yeah it's a sad situation in this country.

p.s. there is a ton of scientific data proving what I'm saying. Google it - here's a couple of links:
http://www.cracked.com/article_21822_5- ... think.html
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/ ... -on-racism

The real point I want to make: white Americans need to own up to what's going on. Stop being disingenuous and pretending race isn't a huge factor in American life. Be honest.

[ALL HAIL]

I'm half black / half white. Always identified as black. Grew up in a mixed environment.....sad to say but I don't have any white friends left at this point in life other than a couple of older Jewish guys who are friends of the family and are more like uncles to me than homies. Honestly some kind of racism b.s. always comes up when I try and be friends with white guys and its just more trouble than it's worth. I know there are good white people but with very very very few exceptions it seems like theres always some white supremacy under the surface dealing with white Americans.

The frustrating thing is how easily white people discard what we say. We can directly tell you racism is a problem, the cops are brutal, etc., and it's like what we say doesn't matter. I am trying not to dwell on the news too much right now because it's just too sad. There is a TON of racism in America. And when I say racism I don't mean Joe Billy Bob in a trailer park cursing. I mean like, white supremacy with a business model. Exhibit A: the detailed report on how the Ferguson PD is basically a criminal gang robbing black citizens. And this goes on all over America.

Frankly half or more of white America seems to absolutely lack empathy or a conscience, like sociopaths. Just being honest here - you guys come off as straight up horrible humans. Shot out to the people who don't. But the second I hear "Al Sharpton this", "single black mothers that", I'm done talking to you. It's just all too obvious where you're coming from. LOL at the poster who said racism is done because Obama got elected.

Nobody knows the powerful more than the people who they rule over. And black folks in America know white folks better than you seem to know yourselves.

/rant hopefully I didn't offend anyone and good posters of all races can get back to hoops but.....yeah it's a sad situation in this country.

p.s. there is a ton of scientific data proving what I'm saying. Google it - here's a couple of links:
http://www.cracked.com/article_21822_5- ... think.html
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/ ... -on-racism

The real point I want to make: white Americans need to own up to what's going on. Stop being disingenuous and pretending race isn't a huge factor in American life. Be honest.

People are being honest dude; they are just lacking in humility.

They can't begin to accept, even for a fleeting moment, that their opinion and point of view could, in fact, be wrong--some people won't even consider that as an option.

Can't have real understanding, and can't have real empathy and sensitivity toward others without first being humble.

It's not about being right, it's about being righteous. No one man's opinion is perfect, myself included.

The people you speak of aren't lying my man, they're just stuck in an ideal, oftentimes a programmed one, that will not allow them to accept new information.

It's a shame really. All you can really do is pray for people like this. They won't accept any other type of help.

People like this will only consider change when society backs them into a corner, when they are forced into a very dark room alone with their thoughts.

[Rip It]

The total absence of personal responsibility is truly amazing. Is it any wonder so much of black culture continues to be so badly plagued by self-destruction? When you refuse to take responsibility for the consequences of your own actions, you do not change your actions. When you do not change your actions, you get the same results, over and over again. Those results? Black-on-black crime, blacks killing blacks, an epidemic of single parents, high incarceration rates, etc.

Is that what you want? No? Then change your ways.

Quit blaming everyone but yourselves. Jesus...

[Bill Bradley]

I'm half black / half white. Always identified as black. Grew up in a mixed environment.....sad to say but I don't have any white friends left at this point in life other than a couple of older Jewish guys who are friends of the family and are more like uncles to me than homies. Honestly some kind of racism b.s. always comes up when I try and be friends with white guys and its just more trouble than it's worth. I know there are good white people but with very very very few exceptions it seems like theres always some white supremacy under the surface dealing with white Americans.

The frustrating thing is how easily white people discard what we say. We can directly tell you racism is a problem, the cops are brutal, etc., and it's like what we say doesn't matter. I am trying not to dwell on the news too much right now because it's just too sad. There is a TON of racism in America. And when I say racism I don't mean Joe Billy Bob in a trailer park cursing. I mean like, white supremacy with a business model. Exhibit A: the detailed report on how the Ferguson PD is basically a criminal gang robbing black citizens. And this goes on all over America.

Frankly half or more of white America seems to absolutely lack empathy or a conscience, like sociopaths. Just being honest here - you guys come off as straight up horrible humans. Shot out to the people who don't. But the second I hear "Al Sharpton this", "single black mothers that", I'm done talking to you. It's just all too obvious where you're coming from. LOL at the poster who said racism is done because Obama got elected.

Nobody knows the powerful more than the people who they rule over. And black folks in America know white folks better than you seem to know yourselves.

/rant hopefully I didn't offend anyone and good posters of all races can get back to hoops but.....yeah it's a sad situation in this country.

p.s. there is a ton of scientific data proving what I'm saying. Google it - here's a couple of links:
http://www.cracked.com/article_21822_5- ... think.html
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/ ... -on-racism

The real point I want to make: white Americans need to own up to what's going on. Stop being disingenuous and pretending race isn't a huge factor in American life. Be honest.

People are being honest dude; they are just lacking in humility.

They can't begin to accept, even for a fleeting moment, that their opinion and point of view could, in fact, be wrong--some people won't even consider that as an option.

Can't have real understanding, and can't have real empathy and sensitivity toward others without first being humble.

It's not about being right, it's about being righteous. No one man's opinion is perfect, myself included.

The people you speak of aren't lying my man, they're just stuck in an ideal, oftentimes a programmed one, that will not allow them to accept new information.

It's a shame really. All you can really do is pray for people like this. They won't accept any other type of help.

People like this will only consider change when society backs them into a corner, when they are forced into a very dark room alone with their thoughts.

In my opinion the problem is one of white male privilege and an increasing self-centered ethic that is being promoted by the right wing and our mainstream institutions. It's also about a general lack of knowledge on the part of many about the enormous gap that's developed by rich and poor people in this country. I see it everywhere- young white boys and men who think they know more about racism than black people, sexism than women, or any other kind of ism more than a person who actually experiences it. Rather than trying to understand the experience of others and to truly develop an informed opinion, white boys and men will just listen to other white boys and men to inform their limited perspective.

Will they listen to Black Jack who tells a gut wrenching story of his experience? No, they will ignore that and instead search for reasons why they are right and black people are wrong. They will talk about Al Sharpton and build straw man arguments that they feel they can "win."

There is an increased emphasis in our society on taking whatever you can get, every person for themselves, and if you're not getting what you need, it's your own fault. The problem with that is that we're not playing on an even playing field and white people benefit from privilege that they have no idea they benefit from. The fact that people here can't even admit that they have certain advantage by virtue of being a white male shows that we can't even begin to have a discussion about race.

[Bill Bradley]

The total absence of personal responsibility is truly amazing. Is it any wonder so much of black culture continues to be so badly plagued by self-destruction? When you refuse to take responsibility for the consequences of your own actions, you do not change your actions. When you do not change your actions, you get the same results, over and over again. Those results? Black-on-black crime, blacks killing blacks, an epidemic of single parents, high incarceration rates, etc.

Is that what you want? No? Then change your ways.

Quit blaming everyone but yourselves. Jesus...

Another racist right here. Who the hell are you even talking about? Who are you referring to? Do you know what it's like to be black in America?

[ALL HAIL]

The total absence of personal responsibility is truly amazing. Is it any wonder so much of black culture continues to be so badly plagued by self-destruction? When you refuse to take responsibility for the consequences of your own actions, you do not change your actions. When you do not change your actions, you get the same results, over and over again. Those results? Black-on-black crime, blacks killing blacks, an epidemic of single parents, high incarceration rates, etc.

Is that what you want? No? Then change your ways.

Quit blaming everyone but yourselves. Jesus...

I'm a Black dude, and I agree with much of what you're saying.

Black people should stop marching , stop protesting, and stop uttering the word racism.

We need to completely focus on ourselves.

I agree with you, but the difference between you and me is that I, at least, understand that unfair practices are are real and do, in fact, exist in a tangible way.

In my spirit, I can accept the truth of the existence of many unfair practices, yet, at the same time, I can agree with the general pragmatism of your post, however unempathetic it may come across.

[ALL HAIL]

The total absence of personal responsibility is truly amazing. Is it any wonder so much of black culture continues to be so badly plagued by self-destruction? When you refuse to take responsibility for the consequences of your own actions, you do not change your actions. When you do not change your actions, you get the same results, over and over again. Those results? Black-on-black crime, blacks killing blacks, an epidemic of single parents, high incarceration rates, etc.

Is that what you want? No? Then change your ways.

Quit blaming everyone but yourselves. Jesus...

Another racist right here. Who the hell are you even talking about? Who are you referring to? Do you know what it's like to be black in America?

Dude, stop calling people racist.

That helps nothing, and you really can't begin to make that proclamation based on a 150 character post.

His post is harsh as hell and he, obviously, doesn't "get" the whole story (in a bit of denial), but it's a sound, legitimate argument to be made nonetheless.

[DemoleDemolezan]

Let me say it again. The issue with Al that folks like yourself have is that he speaks out on racial injustice. That is what precipitates the dislike, the insults and the attempts to discredit him. I don't know him personally, although he seems like an incredible person. His issues are not a concern of mine. He is doing good work, work for humanity, God's work. That is true, that is invaluable work, regardless of what personal failings he has, or can be made up to discredit him.

You're an idiot and borderline delusional. Who are folks like myself? Do you know what race, nationality or religion I am? Your thinking is so rudimentary that you actually believe that there can only be a single reason why people of all ages, colour and creed would dislike such a controversial figure.
None of those things are made up. And I would venture to say that being a homophobic, racist cheat are pretty big failings to overcome. But keep deluding yourself that black,white and old and young dislike Sharpton because they are all "racist folks".

Who knows if they are all racist. The common attack against Al is that his is a 'race baiter', not that he mishandled a funeral, or called someone a 'homo'. Yes, that stuff might be in poor taste if true, but the issue here is that he is a voice for racial oppression, and a lot of people don't like that.

Using someone's funeral as a venue to promote yourself and calling gay people homos "might" be in poor taste? No, idiot, they are most definitely in "poor taste". And they are absolutely true. And guess what, the funeral accusation was made by black people. But, remember according to you and that other guy black people can't be racist lol.
Yes, a common complaint against Sharpton is race baiting but an equally common complaint is that he uses these situations to shamelessly promote himself and profit. The latter point is why many black people don't like him nor take him seriously. Yet, you speak about him with absolute reverence. You are a very strange person.

[Yoshun]

Why are people in this thread even talking about Al Sharpton? It is really pointless and just distracts from the real issues.

Lets say all this stuff about being a race baiting, criminal were true, who cares? He doesn't represent an entire race any more than Rush Limbaugh does. The only purpose it serves is to distract.

[Brandon-Clyde]

I'm half black / half white. Always identified as black. Grew up in a mixed environment.....sad to say but I don't have any white friends left at this point in life other than a couple of older Jewish guys who are friends of the family and are more like uncles to me than homies. Honestly some kind of racism b.s. always comes up when I try and be friends with white guys and its just more trouble than it's worth. I know there are good white people but with very very very few exceptions it seems like theres always some white supremacy under the surface dealing with white Americans.

The frustrating thing is how easily white people discard what we say. We can directly tell you racism is a problem, the cops are brutal, etc., and it's like what we say doesn't matter. I am trying not to dwell on the news too much right now because it's just too sad. There is a TON of racism in America. And when I say racism I don't mean Joe Billy Bob in a trailer park cursing. I mean like, white supremacy with a business model. Exhibit A: the detailed report on how the Ferguson PD is basically a criminal gang robbing black citizens. And this goes on all over America.

Frankly half or more of white America seems to absolutely lack empathy or a conscience, like sociopaths. Just being honest here - you guys come off as straight up horrible humans. Shot out to the people who don't. But the second I hear "Al Sharpton this", "single black mothers that", I'm done talking to you. It's just all too obvious where you're coming from. LOL at the poster who said racism is done because Obama got elected.

Nobody knows the powerful more than the people who they rule over. And black folks in America know white folks better than you seem to know yourselves.

/rant hopefully I didn't offend anyone and good posters of all races can get back to hoops but.....yeah it's a sad situation in this country.

p.s. there is a ton of scientific data proving what I'm saying. Google it - here's a couple of links:
http://www.cracked.com/article_21822_5- ... think.html
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/ ... -on-racism

The real point I want to make: white Americans need to own up to what's going on. Stop being disingenuous and pretending race isn't a huge factor in American life. Be honest.

When the only single constant in every relationship that goes bad is you, you may wish to ponder the possibility that the problem is you. Also when you operate under the presumption that

half or more of white America seems to absolutely lack empathy or a conscience, like sociopaths. Just being honest here - you guys come off as straight up horrible humans.

I can guarantee that most anybody would find that offensive and condescending and only a saint would put up with that attitude and remain a friend

[Black Jack]

I'm half black / half white. Always identified as black. Grew up in a mixed environment.....sad to say but I don't have any white friends left at this point in life other than a couple of older Jewish guys who are friends of the family and are more like uncles to me than homies. Honestly some kind of racism b.s. always comes up when I try and be friends with white guys and its just more trouble than it's worth. I know there are good white people but with very very very few exceptions it seems like theres always some white supremacy under the surface dealing with white Americans.

The frustrating thing is how easily white people discard what we say. We can directly tell you racism is a problem, the cops are brutal, etc., and it's like what we say doesn't matter. I am trying not to dwell on the news too much right now because it's just too sad. There is a TON of racism in America. And when I say racism I don't mean Joe Billy Bob in a trailer park cursing. I mean like, white supremacy with a business model. Exhibit A: the detailed report on how the Ferguson PD is basically a criminal gang robbing black citizens. And this goes on all over America.

Frankly half or more of white America seems to absolutely lack empathy or a conscience, like sociopaths. Just being honest here - you guys come off as straight up horrible humans. Shot out to the people who don't. But the second I hear "Al Sharpton this", "single black mothers that", I'm done talking to you. It's just all too obvious where you're coming from. LOL at the poster who said racism is done because Obama got elected.

Nobody knows the powerful more than the people who they rule over. And black folks in America know white folks better than you seem to know yourselves.

/rant hopefully I didn't offend anyone and good posters of all races can get back to hoops but.....yeah it's a sad situation in this country.

p.s. there is a ton of scientific data proving what I'm saying. Google it - here's a couple of links:
http://www.cracked.com/article_21822_5- ... think.html
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/ ... -on-racism

The real point I want to make: white Americans need to own up to what's going on. Stop being disingenuous and pretending race isn't a huge factor in American life. Be honest.

When the only single constant in every relationship that goes bad is you, you may wish to ponder the possibility that the problem is you. Also when you operate under the presumption that

half or more of white America seems to absolutely lack empathy or a conscience, like sociopaths. Just being honest here - you guys come off as straight up horrible humans.

I can guarantee that most anybody would find that offensive and condescending and only a saint would put up with that attitude and remain a friend

I might agree with you if I was not able to have good friendships with blacks, arabs, chinese, koreans, filipinos, etc. etc. Anyway you don't have to believe anything I have to say. And yeah at this point I really don't try being close with white americans because it's just been a waste of time.

[Bill Bradley]

Timely article

http://www.vox.com/2015/3/12/8199343/ok ... acist-song

[Brandon-Clyde]

I might agree with you if I was not able to have good friendships with blacks, arabs, chinese, koreans, filipinos, etc. etc. Anyway you don't have to believe anything I have to say. And yeah at this point I really don't try being close with white americans because it's just been a waste of time.

Thanks for proving my point.

[wigglestrue]

Oh, Bill...really? Tim Wise? Ugh.

Folks, there is your white Sharpton. Except he's way more insidious. It's like a David Miscavige speech at a Scientology gala. Circular, cultish nonsense. Only difference is the prestige of academia. The ourpouring of reflexive, impenetrable assent from the likeminded is quite similar.

Bill, what do YOU think? Do you, anymore?

You are truly nuts. The only problem with Tim Wise is that he's a white guy profiting from the exploitation of people of color and doesn't respond well to criticism. Other than that, everything he says here is spot on.

Looking forward to discussing bball related topics with you. Didn't realize you were crazy in the political arena

Like, hivemind programming crazy? Crazy like a cognitive dissonance anxiety attack? An ironically racist antiracist kind of crazy?