NBAPA Lawyer: Double standard exists regarding age limit for black basketball players and white athletes in other sports

[MotownMadness]

Why are people in this thread even talking about Al Sharpton? It is really pointless and just distracts from the real issues.

Lets say all this stuff about being a race baiting, criminal were true, who cares? He doesn't represent an entire race any more than Rush Limbaugh does. The only purpose it serves is to distract.

Why are people talking about racism in general regarding the NBA age limit is more disturbing.

[Black Jack]

I might agree with you if I was not able to have good friendships with blacks, arabs, chinese, koreans, filipinos, etc. etc. Anyway you don't have to believe anything I have to say. And yeah at this point I really don't try being close with white americans because it's just been a waste of time.

Thanks for proving my point.

I'm almost 40 - trust me I spent plenty of time at it. I've had times when my best friend was white - when I was a kid. He called me a you know what....wasn't the same after that.

Anyway - If you re-read what I said, basically my point was not to say everyone is horrible but that at least here, in the US, the white supremacy goes DEEP. I basically think people like you who aren't able to process what I'm saying have it in you. I don't think a white person that hasn't done introspection on the topic can claim to be free of white supremacy, beneath the surface. That's not a personal attack - that's my opinion as someone who has read plenty of american history and has lived it. The b.s. runs deep and it's at the core of our identity as a nation, unfortunately. We never dealt with the psychic issues - it was just they ended slavery, then ended jim crow, and within a few years you already had the closet bigots and uncle toms in the media urging blacks to "get over it" and "move on". Absurd

Anyway feel free to try and refuse those study links I posted. That's not opinion, that's fact.

[MotownMadness]

I might agree with you if I was not able to have good friendships with blacks, arabs, chinese, koreans, filipinos, etc. etc. Anyway you don't have to believe anything I have to say. And yeah at this point I really don't try being close with white americans because it's just been a waste of time.

Thanks for proving my point.

I'm almost 40 - trust me I spent plenty of time at it. I've had times when my best friend was white - when I was a kid. He called me a you know what....wasn't the same after that.

Anyway - If you re-read what I said, basically my point was not to say everyone is horrible but that at least here, in the US, the white supremacy goes DEEP. I basically think people like you who aren't able to process what I'm saying have it in you. I don't think a white person that hasn't done introspection on the topic can claim to be free of white supremacy, beneath the surface. That's not a personal attack - that's my opinion as someone who has read plenty of american history and has lived it. The b.s. runs deep and it's at the core of our identity as a nation, unfortunately. We never dealt with the psychic issues - it was just they ended slavery, then ended jim crow, and within a few years you already had the closet bigots and uncle toms in the media urging blacks to "get over it" and "move on". Absurd

Anyway feel free to try and refuse those study links I posted. That's not opinion, that's fact.

Sorry to say man but if you're that sensitive it maybe best you just stay with blacks or whatever race you say makes you feel comfortable. I'm around black people all the time and I know they don't really accept me or want to chill with me like a homie as you put it. But at the end of the day I could care less and move on with my day and spend most of my time with my children and loved ones. Racism exsist everywhere and you're lying to yourself if you don't think blacks arent just as racist towards whites. But you can't sit and cry about it because the world is full of hate and racism from every race, You need to man up put you're big boy pants on and move forward as a individual. And in you're case maybe you just relate more to some black people then you do whites and there's nothing wrong with that at all. I can't stand half the white or black people I know but it has nothing to do with their skin but more that I just don't like them or what they represent.

[Brandon-Clyde]

I might agree with you if I was not able to have good friendships with blacks, arabs, chinese, koreans, filipinos, etc. etc. Anyway you don't have to believe anything I have to say. And yeah at this point I really don't try being close with white americans because it's just been a waste of time.

Thanks for proving my point.

I'm almost 40 - trust me I spent plenty of time at it. I've had times when my best friend was white - when I was a kid. He called me a you know what....wasn't the same after that.

Anyway - If you re-read what I said, basically my point was not to say everyone is horrible but that at least here, in the US, the white supremacy goes DEEP. I basically think people like you who aren't able to process what I'm saying have it in you. I don't think a white person that hasn't done introspection on the topic can claim to be free of white supremacy, beneath the surface. That's not a personal attack - that's my opinion as someone who has read plenty of american history and has lived it. The b.s. runs deep and it's at the core of our identity as a nation, unfortunately. We never dealt with the psychic issues - it was just they ended slavery, then ended jim crow, and within a few years you already had the closet bigots and uncle toms in the media urging blacks to "get over it" and "move on". Absurd

Anyway feel free to try and refuse those study links I posted. That's not opinion, that's fact.

I see more racism in your posts than I do most any others on here. You have generalized half of whites as sociopaths, stated that whites are incapable of understanding the issues, stated that white supremacy runs deep in the USA and in this last post unless I am misreading you called blacks who disagree with you by the racially derogatory term "uncle Tom".
If a person looks for slights everywhere they will find slights everywhere. My guess is such a person who if entering a store is immediately greeted by the employees will claim the reason is that the employees want to keep an eye on them in case they try and steal but that same person will also be offended if no employee greets them will claim that is also a slight because they are being ignored. A can't win situation for the employees. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't

Oh and one of your links was Cracked.com. Don't expect it to be taken seriously

[Neutral 123]

Thanks for proving my point.

I'm almost 40 - trust me I spent plenty of time at it. I've had times when my best friend was white - when I was a kid. He called me a you know what....wasn't the same after that.

Anyway - If you re-read what I said, basically my point was not to say everyone is horrible but that at least here, in the US, the white supremacy goes DEEP. I basically think people like you who aren't able to process what I'm saying have it in you. I don't think a white person that hasn't done introspection on the topic can claim to be free of white supremacy, beneath the surface. That's not a personal attack - that's my opinion as someone who has read plenty of american history and has lived it. The b.s. runs deep and it's at the core of our identity as a nation, unfortunately. We never dealt with the psychic issues - it was just they ended slavery, then ended jim crow, and within a few years you already had the closet bigots and uncle toms in the media urging blacks to "get over it" and "move on". Absurd

Anyway feel free to try and refuse those study links I posted. That's not opinion, that's fact.

I see more racism in your posts than I do most any others on here. You have generalized half of whites as sociopaths, stated that whites are incapable of understanding the issues, stated that white supremacy runs deep in the USA and in this last post unless I am misreading you called blacks who disagree with you by the racially derogatory term "uncle Tom".
If a person looks for slights everywhere they will find slights everywhere. My guess is such a person who if entering a store is immediately greeted by the employees will claim the reason is that the employees want to keep an eye on them in case they try and steal but that same person will also be offended if no employee greets them will claim that is also a slight because they are being ignored. A can't win situation for the employees. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't

Oh and one of your links was Cracked.com. Don't expect it to be taken seriously

Yeah, he doesn't know your history, but I do, and you are a poster boy for the attitude of which he speaks.

[Brandon-Clyde]

Yeah, he doesn't know your history, but I do, and you are a poster boy for the attitude of which he speaks.

I know your history as well and inconvenient facts never get in the way of your racial narrative

[Neutral 123]

You're an idiot and borderline delusional. Who are folks like myself? Do you know what race, nationality or religion I am? Your thinking is so rudimentary that you actually believe that there can only be a single reason why people of all ages, colour and creed would dislike such a controversial figure.
None of those things are made up. And I would venture to say that being a homophobic, racist cheat are pretty big failings to overcome. But keep deluding yourself that black,white and old and young dislike Sharpton because they are all "racist folks".

Who knows if they are all racist. The common attack against Al is that his is a 'race baiter', not that he mishandled a funeral, or called someone a 'homo'. Yes, that stuff might be in poor taste if true, but the issue here is that he is a voice for racial oppression, and a lot of people don't like that.

Using someone's funeral as a venue to promote yourself and calling gay people homos "might" be in poor taste? No, idiot, they are most definitely in "poor taste". And they are absolutely true. And guess what, the funeral accusation was made by black people. But, remember according to you and that other guy black people can't be racist lol.
Yes, a common complaint against Sharpton is race baiting but an equally common complaint is that he uses these situations to shamelessly promote himself and profit. The latter point is why many black people don't like him nor take him seriously. Yet, you speak about him with absolute reverence. You are a very strange person.

What's funny is, is that you believe yourself to be an authority on anything regarding this issue. I'm just humouring myself. None of what you've posted is relevant, makes sense, and frankly, its a good thing you aren't aware enough to even recognize that. I'm genuinely embarrassed for you.

[Neutral 123]

Yeah, he doesn't know your history, but I do, and you are a poster boy for the attitude of which he speaks.

I know your history as well and inconvenient facts never get in the way of your racial narrative

Blah, he spoke of his experiences. An experience well reflected in the garbage posted here, and the lots of posts I've seen of yours. Why are you pretending to care about what he said? You are precisely what he's talking about, and would have no interest in getting to know someone like him beyond antagonizing him. Are you done celebrating Trayvon Martin's murder?

[Black Jack]

I see more racism in your posts than I do most any others on here. You have generalized half of whites as sociopaths, stated that whites are incapable of understanding the issues, stated that white supremacy runs deep in the USA and in this last post unless I am misreading you called blacks who disagree with you by the racially derogatory term "uncle Tom".
If a person looks for slights everywhere they will find slights everywhere. My guess is such a person who if entering a store is immediately greeted by the employees will claim the reason is that the employees want to keep an eye on them in case they try and steal but that same person will also be offended if no employee greets them will claim that is also a slight because they are being ignored. A can't win situation for the employees. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't

Oh and one of your links was Cracked.com. Don't expect it to be taken seriously

I do think around half of whites in the US are pretty much sociopaths incapable of empathy. We can go kill a million plus people in a country like Vietnam or Iraq and they whine about a few thousand of our troops dying and how bad that is. Let's face it America is a cold ass place. Look at all the cops, judges, prosecutors, and city officials in Ferguson - siccing dogs on black people, falsely arresting them, sending racist emails, congratulating each other for ruining poor peoples' lives. This happens all over America, every day.

The white supremacy embedded in America's psyche is very real. I understand that you and others like you don't see it - fine but that's a pretty absurd position. Do I have to give a history lesson here?

I do call blacks who support white supremacy Uncle Toms. I don't think that's racist - it's a brilliant analysis by Malcolm X about how a group that is powerless has a few members who decide to "switch sides". The Uncle Ruckus syndrome is real - I'm not angry at people who have it but yes black self hatred is a "thing".

Go ahead and google the racism studies. Read the mother jones article. The science is pretty much accepted now by neurologists.

I agree about not looking for sleights all the time. I don't.

[Neutral 123]

I might agree with you if I was not able to have good friendships with blacks, arabs, chinese, koreans, filipinos, etc. etc. Anyway you don't have to believe anything I have to say. And yeah at this point I really don't try being close with white americans because it's just been a waste of time.

Thanks for proving my point.

I'm almost 40 - trust me I spent plenty of time at it. I've had times when my best friend was white - when I was a kid. He called me a you know what....wasn't the same after that.

Anyway - If you re-read what I said, basically my point was not to say everyone is horrible but that at least here, in the US, the white supremacy goes DEEP. I basically think people like you who aren't able to process what I'm saying have it in you. I don't think a white person that hasn't done introspection on the topic can claim to be free of white supremacy, beneath the surface. That's not a personal attack - that's my opinion as someone who has read plenty of american history and has lived it. The b.s. runs deep and it's at the core of our identity as a nation, unfortunately. We never dealt with the psychic issues - it was just they ended slavery, then ended jim crow, and within a few years you already had the closet bigots and uncle toms in the media urging blacks to "get over it" and "move on". Absurd

Anyway feel free to try and refuse those study links I posted. That's not opinion, that's fact.

You said it right the first time. You cannot share emotions with the sociopath, that is something he will exploit for his own gain. There is no relating to him. No gaining empathy, understanding. Its a waste of time.

[wigglestrue]

Why are people talking about racism in general regarding the NBA age limit is more disturbing.

Because the NBAPA Lawyer's argument that a double standard exists regarding the age limit for black basketball players and white athletes in other sports hinges on the general questions of what constitutes a racist double standard and who is allowed to determine those questions.

[wigglestrue]

Why are people talking about racism in general regarding the NBA age limit is more disturbing.

Because the NBAPA Lawyer's argument that a double standard exists regarding the age limit for black basketball players and white athletes in other sports hinges on the general questions of what constitutes a racist double standard and who is allowed to determine the answers.

[Roy The Natural]

All right guys we get it -

The World is full of white privilege and it's unfair that African-Americans are treated to never-ending institutional prejudices, even though African-American culture has devolved into a complete and utter disaster. Other minorities including actual born in Africa, Africans being more successful throughout the US economy is probably not the brightest sign.



All right guys we get it -

African American people too often look to the government for help (handouts as the right would say), even though they have historically had to scratch, claw, and beg for every ounce of freedom and equality that they've got. This countries federal government has so often had to literally force equality for African-Americans in large regions and in legislation that it's absolutely understandable that they would look to the federal government for change, and not trust in regional institutions such as I don't know... a local police force.

Let's get back to basketball now please, nothing of value will come from these talks on a basketball board. There is such a huge catch-22 involved with this whole White America conversation depending on what side of the fence you stand on, either side likely has extremely valid points.

[Neutral 123]

The total absence of personal responsibility is truly amazing. Is it any wonder so much of black culture continues to be so badly plagued by self-destruction? When you refuse to take responsibility for the consequences of your own actions, you do not change your actions. When you do not change your actions, you get the same results, over and over again. Those results? Black-on-black crime, blacks killing blacks, an epidemic of single parents, high incarceration rates, etc.

Is that what you want? No? Then change your ways.

Quit blaming everyone but yourselves. Jesus...

I'm a Black dude, and I agree with much of what you're saying.

Black people should stop marching , stop protesting, and stop uttering the word racism.

We need to completely focus on ourselves.

I agree with you, but the difference between you and me is that I, at least, understand that unfair practices are are real and do, in fact, exist in a tangible way.

In my spirit, I can accept the truth of the existence of many unfair practices, yet, at the same time, I can agree with the general pragmatism of your post, however unempathetic it may come across.

Its racist garbage. The intent isn't to help, but to attack and demean. That sort of propaganda is incredibly destructive as it only enforces perceived inferiority. Groups that are oppressed and excluded generally have worse outcomes that those that aren't. An epidemic of single mothers? Sure, but check what those rates were for whites back in 1960 or 1970 and see what they are now.

[Neutral 123]

All right guys we get it -

The World is full of white privilege and it's unfair that African-Americans are treated to never-ending institutional prejudices, even though African-American culture has devolved into a complete and utter disaster. Other minorities including actual born in Africa, Africans being more successful throughout the US economy is probably not the brightest sign.



All right guys we get it -

African American people too often look to the government for help (handouts as the right would say), even though they have historically had to scratch, claw, and beg for every ounce of freedom and equality that they've got. This countries federal government has so often had to literally force equality for African-Americans in large regions and in legislation that it's absolutely understandable that they would look to the federal government for change, and not trust in regional institutions such as I don't know... a local police force.

Let's get back to basketball now please, nothing of value will come from these talks on a basketball board. There is such a huge catch-22 involved with this whole White America conversation depending on what side of the fence you stand on, either side likely has extremely valid points.

It's unlikely that both sides have valid points, but I agree this should get back on topic. But those without the valid points have called people idiots, and brought up the evils of Al Sharpton as their contribution here.

[Roy The Natural]

All right guys we get it -

The World is full of white privilege and it's unfair that African-Americans are treated to never-ending institutional prejudices, even though African-American culture has devolved into a complete and utter disaster. Other minorities including actual born in Africa, Africans being more successful throughout the US economy is probably not the brightest sign.



All right guys we get it -

African American people too often look to the government for help (handouts as the right would say), even though they have historically had to scratch, claw, and beg for every ounce of freedom and equality that they've got. This countries federal government has so often had to literally force equality for African-Americans in large regions and in legislation that it's absolutely understandable that they would look to the federal government for change, and not trust in regional institutions such as I don't know... a local police force.

Let's get back to basketball now please, nothing of value will come from these talks on a basketball board. There is such a huge catch-22 involved with this whole White America conversation depending on what side of the fence you stand on, either side likely has extremely valid points.

It's unlikely that both sides have valid points, but I agree this should get back on topic. But those without the valid points have called people idiots, and brought up the evils of Al Sharpton as their contribution here.

Well I meant the traditional catch-22 of self-determination vs institutionalized favoritism in the African-American community. Both notions hold some truth to them, and both hold some fallacy as well.


In response to the initial title.. I think the notion is absolutely untrue, and ridiculous. Sports like Basketball, Football, and Hockey are basically contact sports. Basketball might be at the mild end of that spectrum, but it's also one of the hardest sports on the body overall. Hockey should probably have and age limit on young players actually playing in the NHL, I will admit that.

I highly doubt that the motive is racial though. Far more likely, it's the reality that colleges make a ridiculous amount of money on Basketball and Football, and they and the professional leagues would like to keep the product the way it is. College ball only adds to the overall popularity of its respective sport, and for all the bitching and whining of the top 1% of professional players who could have come out early, their are the 99% of players who actually get a full ride education out of the current system.

[thizznation]

NBA age limit is asinine and arbitrary.

You can serve and die for your country but you can't play professional basketball?

It would be nice to say that race isn't an issue here but truth be told the group of people this is affecting is probably at least 95% Black. This is what makes it a race issue.

[Neutral 123]

All right guys we get it -

The World is full of white privilege and it's unfair that African-Americans are treated to never-ending institutional prejudices, even though African-American culture has devolved into a complete and utter disaster. Other minorities including actual born in Africa, Africans being more successful throughout the US economy is probably not the brightest sign.



All right guys we get it -

African American people too often look to the government for help (handouts as the right would say), even though they have historically had to scratch, claw, and beg for every ounce of freedom and equality that they've got. This countries federal government has so often had to literally force equality for African-Americans in large regions and in legislation that it's absolutely understandable that they would look to the federal government for change, and not trust in regional institutions such as I don't know... a local police force.

Let's get back to basketball now please, nothing of value will come from these talks on a basketball board. There is such a huge catch-22 involved with this whole White America conversation depending on what side of the fence you stand on, either side likely has extremely valid points.

It's unlikely that both sides have valid points, but I agree this should get back on topic. But those without the valid points have called people idiots, and brought up the evils of Al Sharpton as their contribution here.

Well I meant the traditional catch-22 of self-determination vs institutionalized favoritism in the African-American community. Both notions hold some truth to them, and both hold some fallacy as well.

One has created the other. The absurdity of this thread is that which caused the other is actually being debated.

[JazzMatt13]

Most peoples sayings are dumb founded.

Most people go through ROTC before dying for their country, and all of them do boot camp.

Most people go to college before getting a job, and all of them generally do apprenticeships/jobs to work their way up

Most skilled jobs require work experience outside high school, cause there is a minimum standard.

I just consider 1 year of college ball the NBA Bootcamp. If you can thrive there, then you you can handle NBA. NBA is value based on how good the players are. There is a reason D-League isn't a booming money maker, cause the quality of play just isn't good.

It isn't about their age, it is about the experience. By not allowing teams to sign guys early it is basically saying "1 year minimum of college" to join.


Personally I just think it is about time the D-League becomes a "real" minor league and utilized for a better purpose, and make all players play 1 year in D-League before playing NBA. Cut out the middle man in NCAA, and start making big money from D-Leauge. It really needs its name changed to something like NBAJ. If these "18 year olds who deserve to play", then they don't need a college degree, cause their career is basketball. All these great players are leaving school after 1 season, and aren't graduating.

[thizznation]

Most peoples sayings are dumb founded.

Most people go through ROTC before dying for their country, and all of them do boot camp.

Most people go to college before getting a job, and all of them generally do apprenticeships/jobs to work their way up

Most skilled jobs require work experience outside high school, cause there is a minimum standard.

I just consider 1 year of college ball the NBA Bootcamp. If you can thrive there, then you you can handle NBA. NBA is value based on how good the players are. There is a reason D-League isn't a booming money maker, cause the quality of play just isn't good.

It isn't about their age, it is about the experience. By not allowing teams to sign guys early it is basically saying "1 year minimum of college" to join.


Personally I just think it is about time the D-League becomes a "real" minor league and utilized for a better purpose, and make all players play 1 year in D-League before playing NBA. Cut out the middle man in NCAA, and start making big money from D-Leauge. It really needs its name changed to something like NBAJ. If these "18 year olds who deserve to play", then they don't need a college degree, cause their career is basketball. All these great players are leaving school after 1 season, and aren't graduating.

I wish you could of had this conversation with DeMar DeRozan when he was 18 years old, NBA ready, and his mom was dying of Lupus.