THE Aaron Gordon thread

[tiderulz]

offensively? Sure, but only because of his vertical. We haven't seen any pick and roll action with AG in the NBA...AT ALL. It's really a shame that we're responsible for killing the growth of our young players.

head coaches without experience, of course they arent going to be good at developing players.

There are plenty of new HC's who have done a phenomenal job. Hennigan seems to love coaches who are only tank worthy, which is understandable, but absolutely frustrating from a fan's perspective.

what brand new head coach have you seen do a phenomenal job with developing players?

[yoyojw17]

He could end up being like Shawn Marion. Can hit a 3, great defender and rebounder and super athletic. He also reminds me a little of Rodman with his defensive ability and tenacity.

I think he would be a "Shawn Marion and Boris Diaw" Love child. Shawn Marion because of the athleticism and ability as a defender.... with a splash of Diaw's playmaking ability and vision. To me.... that is a great player and future allstar assuming he reaches his full potential.

Not gonna lie..... having someone like him on the team certainly makes the possible loss of Tobias a lot more palatable. We will see how this all plays out as we go though the draft and free agency.

[MellowRose]

head coaches without experience, of course they arent going to be good at developing players.

There are plenty of new HC's who have done a phenomenal job. Hennigan seems to love coaches who are only tank worthy, which is understandable, but absolutely frustrating from a fan's perspective.

what brand new head coach have you seen do a phenomenal job with developing players?

Jason Kidd (see last game)

Steve Kerr (Granted, he inherited one of the beast teams in the league last season, but he's helped push them to a completely new level this season)

Quinn Snyder (I've heard he's done an amazing job with the Jazz)

David Joerger (Grizz)

Brad Stevens

Jeff Hornacek

Mike Budenholzer

Mike Malone (See Cousins)

[purpleswordfish]

He has it in him against non-NBA players, maybe. That second clip proves nothing. He's dominating a bunch of guys that are never going to sniff an NBA court.

If that 2nd clip proves nothing because the players won't make the NBA, then college clips mean nothing since the vast majority of those players won't make the NBA either. And if that's the case then we should just draft completely based on combine results.

My point is that when he's seen an NBA court, Aaron Gordon hasn't looked anything like that because he's actually playing against NBA talent. I guess part of the "Henny plan" was drafting a guy at #4 overall that was/is not ready to contribute. But hey, at least he's good in pro-am games.

[MellowRose]

He has it in him against non-NBA players, maybe. That second clip proves nothing. He's dominating a bunch of guys that are never going to sniff an NBA court.

If that 2nd clip proves nothing because the players won't make the NBA, then college clips mean nothing since the vast majority of those players won't make the NBA either. And if that's the case then we should just draft completely based on combine results.

My point is that when he's seen an NBA court, Aaron Gordon hasn't looked anything like that because he's actually playing against NBA talent. I guess part of the "Henny plan" was drafting a guy at #4 overall that was/is not ready to contribute. But hey, at least he's good in pro-am games.

If this isn't a post with an obvious agenda, then I don't know what is.

[OrlDave]

He has it in him against non-NBA players, maybe. That second clip proves nothing. He's dominating a bunch of guys that are never going to sniff an NBA court.

If that 2nd clip proves nothing because the players won't make the NBA, then college clips mean nothing since the vast majority of those players won't make the NBA either. And if that's the case then we should just draft completely based on combine results.

My point is that when he's seen an NBA court, Aaron Gordon hasn't looked anything like that because he's actually playing against NBA talent. I guess part of the "Henny plan" was drafting a guy at #4 overall that was/is not ready to contribute. But hey, at least he's good in pro-am games.

Everybody knew he was raw coming into the season. Then he turns out to be raw and you're mad? I don't get it. He has shown flashes on the court, but clearly he is not the focus on offense like he was in that pro am game or even at Arizona. I suppose Hennigan could have drafted a lower ceiling guy who was able to contribute from day one.. that guy was Dante Exum? No clearly not. Marcus Smart? He's not better than either of our current backcourt. Julius Randle? This is the only guy you can make a reasonable case for and he's been injured so much there is no way to tell. So who are we missing? Nurik? But why would we waste a 4 when he could be had at 16? So.. who is this "ready to contribute" guy we missed out on?

[tiderulz]

There are plenty of new HC's who have done a phenomenal job. Hennigan seems to love coaches who are only tank worthy, which is understandable, but absolutely frustrating from a fan's perspective.

what brand new head coach have you seen do a phenomenal job with developing players?

Jason Kidd (see last game)

Steve Kerr (Granted, he inherited one of the beast teams in the league last season, but he's helped push them to a completely new level this season)

Quinn Snyder (I've heard he's done an amazing job with the Jazz)

David Joerger (Grizz)

Brad Stevens

Jeff Hornacek

Mike Budenholzer

Mike Malone (See Cousins)

Kerr - only player developing is Green. started under Jackson (another 1st time HC) but i'll give him credit for continued development

Snyder - give credit on Gobert and Hayward. Burke and Exum havent looked good though (previously a head coach for 7 years, even if in college)

Joerger - what young player is developing there?

Stevens - dont really see any player developing much there right now (though i am a big fan of his)

Hornacek - not seeing a young guy develop there

Malone - Cousins was already 3 years into the league.

Budenholzer - done a very good job with Schroeder. zero job with Payne

So the list you provided, few have had rookies or first year players that have really been developed.

[purpleswordfish]

If that 2nd clip proves nothing because the players won't make the NBA, then college clips mean nothing since the vast majority of those players won't make the NBA either. And if that's the case then we should just draft completely based on combine results.

My point is that when he's seen an NBA court, Aaron Gordon hasn't looked anything like that because he's actually playing against NBA talent. I guess part of the "Henny plan" was drafting a guy at #4 overall that was/is not ready to contribute. But hey, at least he's good in pro-am games.

If this isn't a post with an obvious agenda, then I don't know what is.

It's an internet forum, that's kind of the point - discussion.

[MellowRose]

what brand new head coach have you seen do a phenomenal job with developing players?

Jason Kidd (see last game)

Steve Kerr (Granted, he inherited one of the beast teams in the league last season, but he's helped push them to a completely new level this season)

Quinn Snyder (I've heard he's done an amazing job with the Jazz)

David Joerger (Grizz)

Brad Stevens

Jeff Hornacek

Mike Budenholzer

Mike Malone (See Cousins)

Kerr - only player developing is Green. started under Jackson (another 1st time HC) but i'll give him credit for continued development

Snyder - give credit on Gobert and Hayward. Burke and Exum havent looked good though (previously a head coach for 7 years, even if in college)

Joerger - what young player is developing there?

Stevens - dont really see any player developing much there right now (though i am a big fan of his)

Hornacek - not seeing a young guy develop there

Malone - Cousins was already 3 years into the league.

Budenholzer - done a very good job with Schroeder. zero job with Payne

So the list you provided, few have had rookies or first year players that have really been developed.

Kerr: Agreed. He deserves credit.

Snyder: Burke has always been trash, including last season. Not much to work with there. Exum is raw, and Snyder really can't do much about it.

Joerger - Sustained success. Sure, he has great pieces to work with, but an underrated aspect of coaching is the amount of talent it requires to keep a team chugging the way he has done. Nevertheless, as a first year HC.

Stevens - Has implemented an actual SYSTEM. Something that is severely lacking here. We won't see the actual growth of each of these players until later.

Hornacek - It's not only about player development. He's a new HC who has outlined exactly what he wants from his players, and he's done it despite the constant shuffling of his team.

Malone - So what is Cousins had been there for 3 years? Malone changed the way Cousins viewed the game, and that is why DC respects him so much.

Budenholzer - Remarkable job with the entire team. Payne has barely played and his role in this league is very limited. What do you want to see him do?

Well, of course, we won't be able to definitely say whether a certain HC has done a good job in terms of player development until a few more years. However, many of these coaches are well on their way to making that happen, especially since they've done such a good job with implementing a system.

[MellowRose]

My point is that when he's seen an NBA court, Aaron Gordon hasn't looked anything like that because he's actually playing against NBA talent. I guess part of the "Henny plan" was drafting a guy at #4 overall that was/is not ready to contribute. But hey, at least he's good in pro-am games.

If this isn't a post with an obvious agenda, then I don't know what is.

It's an internet forum, that's kind of the point - discussion.

Sure, discussion that occur when all parties are open minded, and don't have an agenda to fill. Telling me that a 19 year old kid, who has been surrounded by terrible HC's and plagued with injuries so far, is only good for pro-am games, and is unable to replicate the same skills he displays at those exhibition games solely because he's playing against better competition is a faulty argument.

[tiderulz]

Jason Kidd (see last game)

Steve Kerr (Granted, he inherited one of the beast teams in the league last season, but he's helped push them to a completely new level this season)

Quinn Snyder (I've heard he's done an amazing job with the Jazz)

David Joerger (Grizz)

Brad Stevens

Jeff Hornacek

Mike Budenholzer

Mike Malone (See Cousins)

Kerr - only player developing is Green. started under Jackson (another 1st time HC) but i'll give him credit for continued development

Snyder - give credit on Gobert and Hayward. Burke and Exum havent looked good though (previously a head coach for 7 years, even if in college)

Joerger - what young player is developing there?

Stevens - dont really see any player developing much there right now (though i am a big fan of his)

Hornacek - not seeing a young guy develop there

Malone - Cousins was already 3 years into the league.

Budenholzer - done a very good job with Schroeder. zero job with Payne

So the list you provided, few have had rookies or first year players that have really been developed.

Kerr: Agreed. He deserves credit.

Snyder: Burke has always been trash, including last season. Not much to work with there. Exum is raw, and Snyder really can't do much about it.

Joerger - Sustained success. Sure, he has great pieces to work with, but an underrated aspect of coaching is the amount of talent it requires to keep a team chugging the way he has done. Nevertheless, as a first year HC.

Stevens - Has implemented an actual SYSTEM. Something that is severely lacking here. We won't see the actual growth of each of these players until later.

Hornacek - It's not only about player development. He's a new HC who has outlined exactly what he wants from his players, and he's done it despite the constant shuffling of his team.

Malone - So what is Cousins had been there for 3 years? Malone changed the way Cousins viewed the game, and that is why DC respects him so much.

Budenholzer - Remarkable job with the entire team. Payne has barely played and his role in this league is very limited. What do you want to see him do?

Well, of course, we won't be able to definitely say whether a certain HC has done a good job in terms of player development until a few more years. However, many of these coaches are well on their way to making that happen, especially since they've done such a good job with implementing a system.

remember, my statement was on the lack of development with Aaron Gordon and was on the fact that very few first time head coaches are very good at developing rookies and 2nd year players. they have been concentrating on film, game plans, etc, and generally not as much on the program as a whole, which includes developing draft picks.

Continued development of older players in my opinion isnt as hard as that initial development of a player right out of college.

[MellowRose]

Kerr - only player developing is Green. started under Jackson (another 1st time HC) but i'll give him credit for continued development

Snyder - give credit on Gobert and Hayward. Burke and Exum havent looked good though (previously a head coach for 7 years, even if in college)

Joerger - what young player is developing there?

Stevens - dont really see any player developing much there right now (though i am a big fan of his)

Hornacek - not seeing a young guy develop there

Malone - Cousins was already 3 years into the league.

Budenholzer - done a very good job with Schroeder. zero job with Payne

So the list you provided, few have had rookies or first year players that have really been developed.

Kerr: Agreed. He deserves credit.

Snyder: Burke has always been trash, including last season. Not much to work with there. Exum is raw, and Snyder really can't do much about it.

Joerger - Sustained success. Sure, he has great pieces to work with, but an underrated aspect of coaching is the amount of talent it requires to keep a team chugging the way he has done. Nevertheless, as a first year HC.

Stevens - Has implemented an actual SYSTEM. Something that is severely lacking here. We won't see the actual growth of each of these players until later.

Hornacek - It's not only about player development. He's a new HC who has outlined exactly what he wants from his players, and he's done it despite the constant shuffling of his team.

Malone - So what is Cousins had been there for 3 years? Malone changed the way Cousins viewed the game, and that is why DC respects him so much.

Budenholzer - Remarkable job with the entire team. Payne has barely played and his role in this league is very limited. What do you want to see him do?

Well, of course, we won't be able to definitely say whether a certain HC has done a good job in terms of player development until a few more years. However, many of these coaches are well on their way to making that happen, especially since they've done such a good job with implementing a system.

remember, my statement was on the lack of development with Aaron Gordon and was on the fact that very few first time head coaches are very good at developing rookies and 2nd year players. they have been concentrating on film, game plans, etc, and generally not as much on the program as a whole, which includes developing draft picks.

Continued development of older players in my opinion isnt as hard as that initial development of a player right out of college.

Right, but we can't judge any of these coaches until a few more years down the road. I think that judging new HC's with high draft picks prior to 2012-2013 may bear more fruitful results, since we'll actually have quantifiable data. I'll look into it when I have the time.

[OrlandO]

[tooler]

I've been wondering when he was going to do that in the regular season.

[OrlandO]

I've been wondering when he was going to do that in the regular season.

"too bad he can only do that kinda stuff against scrubs in summer league"

[tooler]

To be fair, I'm pretty sure that's some kid from the crowd who won a contest earlier in the game.

[woosah]

I really appreciate the take away from Zeller tonight. He looked at him like, "Really? No. Just run your a** on down the court i got this."

[tooler]

NBA block of the night - link is busted, go to NBA.com video, click top plays, and click block of the night.

Extra laughs for the homer Boston announcers' deadpan, run-of-the-mill comment: "nice block by Gordon." Then silence during the replays.

[yoyojw17]

can't wait to hear the report....

"Aaron Gordon was seen taking reps with the first team in today's practice" lol

[OrlandO]

NBA block of the night - link is busted, go to NBA.com video, click top plays, and click block of the night.

Extra laughs for the homer Boston announcers' deadpan, run-of-the-mill comment: "nice block by Gordon." Then silence during the replays.

Must have been left out for whatever reason... during one of the replays one guy says "he's going up and snatching it out of the air" and the other guy says "do you give credit for a block or steal on that one... or both?" First guy responds, "You gotta give him a little bit of both."