FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread

[Obi-One]

*sigh*

I'm with you. After all of this time, it seems like we'll end up with Greg Monroe as our big acquisition

[siar617]

Calderon and THjr for Mayo and their second round pick this year

[dfunky]

First post, but have been a lurker for quite a while. My take on the roster next year:

PG Dragic/Galloway
SG Green/Hardaway Jr.
SF Anthony/Antetokounmpo/Early
PF Amundson/Bargnani
C Okafor/Aldrich

Based off of what we've heard from MGMT, players, recent developments, likelihood of getting the #1 pick, guesses.

Good balance of offense and defense between the starters and bench. With the cap jump the year after, I think Durant is a definite possibility, and would be an exciting base of Melo, Durant, Dragic, Okafor or Towns, Green

[siar617]

Don't want Dragic nor Okafor. I want the Knicks to play defense and not depend on my rookie to carry the team offensively. Point of free agency is to keep Anthony from working hard. With that in mind we need free agents that can get buckets and move the ball. I do agree on home town product Green being brought in he can keep defenses honest while playing great defense.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Don't want Dragic nor Okafor. I want the Knicks to play defense and not depend on my rookie to carry the team offensively. Point of free agency is to keep Anthony from working hard. With that in mind we need free agents that can get buckets and move the ball. I do agree on home town product Green being brought in he can keep defenses honest while playing great defense.

And yet you want Monroe.

Dragic would be a perfect fit. He's not an elite defender, but he is a good one.

Green is looking at 10+ a year, btw. Meeks is getting 7/year and Green>Meeks on both sides of the ball.

Okafor is currently a close 3rd choice behind Towns and Russell (who are 1a/1b).

[siar617]

Don't want Dragic nor Okafor. I want the Knicks to play defense and not depend on my rookie to carry the team offensively. Point of free agency is to keep Anthony from working hard. With that in mind we need free agents that can get buckets and move the ball. I do agree on home town product Green being brought in he can keep defenses honest while playing great defense.

And yet you want Monroe.

Dragic would be a perfect fit. He's not an elite defender, but he is a good one.

Green is looking at 10+ a year, btw. Meeks is getting 7/year and Green>Meeks on both sides of the ball.

Okafor is currently a close 3rd choice behind Towns and Russell (who are 1a/1b).

Monroe gets a good amount of steals and he rebounds, he also guards his man. All things Okafor doesn't do. He can also hit a free throw.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Don't want Dragic nor Okafor. I want the Knicks to play defense and not depend on my rookie to carry the team offensively. Point of free agency is to keep Anthony from working hard. With that in mind we need free agents that can get buckets and move the ball. I do agree on home town product Green being brought in he can keep defenses honest while playing great defense.

And yet you want Monroe.

Dragic would be a perfect fit. He's not an elite defender, but he is a good one.

Green is looking at 10+ a year, btw. Meeks is getting 7/year and Green>Meeks on both sides of the ball.

Okafor is currently a close 3rd choice behind Towns and Russell (who are 1a/1b).

Monroe gets a good amount of steals and he rebounds, he also guards his man. All things Okafor doesn't do. He can also hit a free throw.

He's an atrocious team defender (slow to rotate, bad in pick and rolls, doesn't talk on defense). He's not a good defender...at all. Oh yeah, and he'll cost significantly more. If it's between Okafor and Monroe, I think everyone on the board and every GM would take Okafor 10 times out of 10.

[siar617]

And yet you want Monroe.

Dragic would be a perfect fit. He's not an elite defender, but he is a good one.

Green is looking at 10+ a year, btw. Meeks is getting 7/year and Green>Meeks on both sides of the ball.

Okafor is currently a close 3rd choice behind Towns and Russell (who are 1a/1b).

Monroe gets a good amount of steals and he rebounds, he also guards his man. All things Okafor doesn't do. He can also hit a free throw.

He's an atrocious team defender (slow to rotate, bad in pick and rolls, doesn't talk on defense). He's not a good defender...at all. Oh yeah, and he'll cost significantly more. If it's between Okafor and Monroe, I think everyone on the board and every GM would take Okafor 10 times out of 10.

What is your argument?
Its not Okafor or Monroe. One is a pick the other a free agent. You just don't like him I get that but so what. Alot of people do want him even if you don't. What player are you getting that fits perfectly with Okafor?

[NBA Fan 1234]

Monroe gets a good amount of steals and he rebounds, he also guards his man. All things Okafor doesn't do. He can also hit a free throw.

He's an atrocious team defender (slow to rotate, bad in pick and rolls, doesn't talk on defense). He's not a good defender...at all. Oh yeah, and he'll cost significantly more. If it's between Okafor and Monroe, I think everyone on the board and every GM would take Okafor 10 times out of 10.

What is your argument?
Its not Okafor or Monroe. One is a pick the other a free agent. You just don't like him I get that but so what. Alot of people do want him even if you don't. What player are you getting that fits perfectly with Okafor?

Amir Johnson fits.

Like I said before, Okafor is #3 on my list. I just want absolutely nothing to do with Monroe.

[siar617]

He's an atrocious team defender (slow to rotate, bad in pick and rolls, doesn't talk on defense). He's not a good defender...at all. Oh yeah, and he'll cost significantly more. If it's between Okafor and Monroe, I think everyone on the board and every GM would take Okafor 10 times out of 10.

What is your argument?
Its not Okafor or Monroe. One is a pick the other a free agent. You just don't like him I get that but so what. Alot of people do want him even if you don't. What player are you getting that fits perfectly with Okafor?

Amir Johnson fits.

Like I said before, Okafor is #3 on my list. I just want absolutely nothing to do with Monroe.

Johnson is not a good enough rebounder or defender to make up for Okafor. My point is as much as you don't like Monroe he fits with Towns. They can play off each other's strengths and weaknesses.

[siar617]

*sigh*

I'm with you. After all of this time, it seems like we'll end up with Greg Monroe as our big acquisition

You can't look at it that way. This is the beginning of something special. We are getting our role players and bits of our core now.

You get Monroe Harris and Green now and Durant the following year we are then a dynasty.

Towns/Bynum/Aldrich
Monroe/Bargs/Almunson
Anthony/Harris/Early
Durant/Green/Thanasis
Grant/Galloway/Shved platoon

[Americafkya]

AS a typical knicks fan, I am mostly a bringer of doom and gloom.

I personally don't think the knicks have a shot to lure any marquee free agents this off-season.

Dragic- not sure if he wants to leave Miami...the organization, the taxes, the weather, the team, the coaching is all superior. The only thing we could possibly get him with is that he will be the guy running the team. He will be the second fiddle to Melo though.

Gasol- is gasol really going to leave Memphis, a legit title contender and place where he has his roots and history, for NYK? A team currently in a rebuild, with little hope of improvement next season? Not to mention a paycut? I'm not gettting my hopes up.

Aldridge- same story. Portland might not be a title contender in my eyes( I don't think they can beat the best teams out west in a 7 game series) but they are certainly better than the Knicks, and look to be for the foreseeable future. So he'd have to take a paycut, move 3,000 miles across the country, and come to a team that is worse. On top of that the Knicks will probably have a young big man down low who will need touches to gain confidence and grow. Does Aldridge want to defer his touches to Melo AND a young, raw prospect? Doubt it. And if he doesn't, we are going to have a talented young big, with huge potential being asked to play garbage man or sit the bench. Darko anybody?

Jimmy Butler- Looks like he will be a star in this league for a long time. Young, athletic, can score, can play D. Basically does it all. And that is the reason that a smart franchise like the Bulls won't let him go....especially with Rose being so questionable. Players like Butler do not grow on trees. I see no way the bulls do not match a max offer. He is the linchpin of their future at this point.

Now that leaves us with Millsap, Jordan, Jefferson, Monroe and the like. Do we really want to overpay for one of these guys? Jordan and Monroe are very good players, but are they max players? Doubt it. And that is probably what we will have to offer to get one of them. If we can get them on a reasonable deal then I am ok with it, but for some reason the word reasonable, and the Knicks front office rarely go hand in hand. I would rather just sign some good glue guys and roll with Melo + OK4 for a season and give him room to grow. Then maybe try to splash in free agency the next season or make a trade.

TLDR- no real chance at any of the big names this offseason, and definitely don't want to overpay the 2nd tier guys just for the sake of it. Maybe Brandon Knight?

[FemaleDogPlease]

Knicks need an influx of young talent in the front court. Monroe or Kanter. Knicks would be wise to make a run at Monta Ellis.

[NBA Fan 1234]

What is your argument?
Its not Okafor or Monroe. One is a pick the other a free agent. You just don't like him I get that but so what. Alot of people do want him even if you don't. What player are you getting that fits perfectly with Okafor?

Amir Johnson fits.

Like I said before, Okafor is #3 on my list. I just want absolutely nothing to do with Monroe.

Johnson is not a good enough rebounder or defender to make up for Okafor. My point is as much as you don't like Monroe he fits with Towns. They can play off each other's strengths and weaknesses.

His defense would help mitigate Okafor's poor defense, though. I also don't think Monroe fits with Towns. I'm done here, though. Agree to disagree...again.

[nykballa2k4]

AS a typical knicks fan, I am mostly a bringer of doom and gloom.

I personally don't think the knicks have a shot to lure any marquee free agents this off-season.

Dragic- not sure if he wants to leave Miami...the organization, the taxes, the weather, the team, the coaching is all superior. The only thing we could possibly get him with is that he will be the guy running the team. He will be the second fiddle to Melo though.

Gasol- is gasol really going to leave Memphis, a legit title contender and place where he has his roots and history, for NYK? A team currently in a rebuild, with little hope of improvement next season? Not to mention a paycut? I'm not gettting my hopes up.

Aldridge- same story. Portland might not be a title contender in my eyes( I don't think they can beat the best teams out west in a 7 game series) but they are certainly better than the Knicks, and look to be for the foreseeable future. So he'd have to take a paycut, move 3,000 miles across the country, and come to a team that is worse. On top of that the Knicks will probably have a young big man down low who will need touches to gain confidence and grow. Does Aldridge want to defer his touches to Melo AND a young, raw prospect? Doubt it. And if he doesn't, we are going to have a talented young big, with huge potential being asked to play garbage man or sit the bench. Darko anybody?

Jimmy Butler- Looks like he will be a star in this league for a long time. Young, athletic, can score, can play D. Basically does it all. And that is the reason that a smart franchise like the Bulls won't let him go....especially with Rose being so questionable. Players like Butler do not grow on trees. I see no way the bulls do not match a max offer. He is the linchpin of their future at this point.

Now that leaves us with Millsap, Jordan, Jefferson, Monroe and the like. Do we really want to overpay for one of these guys? Jordan and Monroe are very good players, but are they max players? Doubt it. And that is probably what we will have to offer to get one of them. If we can get them on a reasonable deal then I am ok with it, but for some reason the word reasonable, and the Knicks front office rarely go hand in hand. I would rather just sign some good glue guys and roll with Melo + OK4 for a season and give him room to grow. Then maybe try to splash in free agency the next season or make a trade.

TLDR- no real chance at any of the big names this offseason, and definitely don't want to overpay the 2nd tier guys just for the sake of it. Maybe Brandon Knight?

With the up coming cap spike there is no such thing as overpaying.... particularly with all-star level players who will be at least a 5M bargain if locked in long term this summer. The issue is that all GM's are going to be knowing about the cap rise and won't mind offering their own guys the same big contracts we could offer (and of course better). There is no reason for the Clippers to not max out DJ. no incentive for hawks to let Millsap go. Al Jefferson could be out, Monroe... I think Stan would want to get something back for him. so I could see a short max deal tossed at him.

The thing is we need efficient scoring: answer Monroe, Jefferson, Okafor right? but we also REALLY NEED defense, shot blocking, stopping the PnR, closing out on 3 point shooters. We also don't have a pick next season to add that young pf that can be had later in the draft (Gibson, Faried types).

Obviously, the team has to hope some of the current roster can be salvaged and put into smaller roles so we have fewer holes. We need Hardaway to be a 6th man. We need Galloway/Shved to be either a place holder level starting point guard or at worst formidable guards off of the bench. we need Calderon to be a top 40 point guard as well. We need one of Acy or Amundson to develop some offensive consistency and become a rotational piece.

jason smith and Bargnani have shown us what a marginal talent can do in our offense. all we can do from here is build.

[FemaleDogPlease]

Knicks can't just sign guys to terrible deals hoping the higher cap will save them.

Monroe is 24 yes old. The max for him is still manageable since he is coming off his rookie contract.

[siar617]

Amir Johnson fits.

Like I said before, Okafor is #3 on my list. I just want absolutely nothing to do with Monroe.

Johnson is not a good enough rebounder or defender to make up for Okafor. My point is as much as you don't like Monroe he fits with Towns. They can play off each other's strengths and weaknesses.

His defense would help mitigate Okafor's poor defense, though. I also don't think Monroe fits with Towns. I'm done here, though. Agree to disagree...again.

Why are you done now?

[nyJnyKnyY]

For people saying they would want deandre Jordan... You're **** nuts... Aside from free throw he's everything you need at a center position and he would be great here


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[NBA Fan 1234]

Johnson is not a good enough rebounder or defender to make up for Okafor. My point is as much as you don't like Monroe he fits with Towns. They can play off each other's strengths and weaknesses.

His defense would help mitigate Okafor's poor defense, though. I also don't think Monroe fits with Towns. I'm done here, though. Agree to disagree...again.

Why are you done now?

Because there's no point in going back and forth about this...?

[Besart19]

I want a great C, Melo at 4, a young all-star wing and a scoring guard!!

Towns/Okafor/Gasol
Melo/Melo/Melo
Kawhi/Butler/Kawhi
Green/Middleton/Gallo
Shved/Galloway/Russel or Mudiay