Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space

RaisingArizona · Post #501 » by **RaisingArizona** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:21 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:Why are people acting like Granger is all of a sudden starting for the Suns? Because he finally joined the squad? He has a player option for next season, but I'm not seeing the big threat he imposes on our young guys minutes. Plus everyone has been talking about this squad needing a good veteran presence, doesn't Granger fit that bill?

Because we overreact to everything here.

Safety Pickle · Post #502 » by **Safety Pickle** » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:21 pm

ginobiliflops wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:Why are people acting like Granger is all of a sudden starting for the Suns? Because he finally joined the squad? He has a player option for next season, but I'm not seeing the big threat he imposes on our young guys minutes. Plus everyone has been talking about this squad needing a good veteran presence, doesn't Granger fit that bill?

Because we overreact to everything here.

Understatement of the century

thamadkant · Post #503 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:28 am

Cousins with 39 points and 24 rebounds GEEZ Louise!

Need to get him... hopefully keeping Len also. Len, Cousins front court would be epic.

I'd trade Bledsoe OR Knight, Morris twins, Tucker, Pick(s) for Cousins!

But I'd part with Len only if the Suns get to keep picks, so Suns can then trade for another center next to Cousins.... but option 1 is to keep Len.

Post #504 » by **Qwigglez** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:43 am

I would certainly trade Len + our own pick plus the two Heat picks for Cousins.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #505 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:59 am

When an All-Star and no.1 or no.2 calibre championship player is available, everything is on the table.

They attract talent, nobody on our team can attract other stars.

Ryu · Post #506 » by **Ryu** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:14 pm

1UPZ wrote:Cousins with 39 points and 24 rebounds GEEZ Louise!

And they lost to the mighty Sixers.

thamadkant · Post #507 » by **thamadkant** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:39 pm

Ryu wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Cousins with 39 points and 24 rebounds GEEZ Louise!

And they lost to the mighty Sixers.

Hence basketball is a 5 man (on the court) type of game... you can surround Michael Jordan with 4 hacks and lose to a NCAA team.

Also its not like the players the Suns can trade for Cousins are doing any better team success wise... Suns arent trading 3-4 playoff caliber players either.

Atleast Cousins fixes 1 spot, you just surround him with the correct team.

Mulhollanddrive · Post #508 » by **Mulhollanddrive** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 12:57 pm

Kevin Love got pick 1.

We'd have to trade our best 3 players and 3 picks to gain that same value, so that'd be about the price.

McD seems to have gone the tweeking building with young core message, rather than assets for a disgruntled star, so not sure if he'd pull the trigger on a similiar deal.

Ryu · Post #509 » by **Ryu** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 2:23 pm

1UPZ wrote:
Ryu wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Cousins with 39 points and 24 rebounds GEEZ Louise!

And they lost to the mighty Sixers.

Hence basketball is a 5 man (on the court) type of game... you can surround Michael Jordan with 4 hacks and lose to a NCAA team.

Also its not like the players the Suns can trade for Cousins are doing any better team success wise... Suns arent trading 3-4 playoff caliber players either.

Atleast Cousins fixes 1 spot, you just surround him with the correct team.

Sure. But as Mulhollanddrive (nice nickname btw, love that movie) said above we would be stripped of a lot of assets in that deal and I am sceptic if Boogie (a great talent, no doubt) knows how to win. Mental aspect of the game is what worries me about Cousins.

Right now, I would be fine with drafting a PF/C this June (Turner/Porzingis/Harrell/Looney/Portis/Wood) and developing our young players (Len, Warren, Goodwin + Bullock, Bogdan) in the next couple of years. I`d trade Morris twins in the summer, resign Knight and Wright and give Bledsoe another season to improve his game.

NavLDO · Post #510 » by **NavLDO** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:24 pm

1UPZ wrote:Cousins with 39 points and 24 rebounds GEEZ Louise!

Need to get him... hopefully keeping Len also. Len, Cousins front court would be epic.

I'd trade Bledsoe OR Knight, Morris twins, Tucker, Pick(s) for Cousins!

But I'd part with Len only if the Suns get to keep picks, so Suns can then trade for another center next to Cousins.... but option 1 is to keep Len.

Problem is, two of those players aren't really worth a hill of beans--Tucker and Marcus--and Kieff isn't much higher. The trade would have to be something more along the lines of: Bledsoe or Knight (they're choice, of course), Warren or Goodwin, our 2015 1st, and the two Miami picks. I can't see them accepting anything less, leaving us with (assuming they choose Knight and Warren):

Bledsoe/Goodwin
Bogdanovic or Goodwin/Bullock
PJ/Marcus
Cousins/Kieff
Len/Wright

Is that good enough to take us very far? Maybe, but a lot hinges on Goodwin, Bullock, and Bogdanovich amounting to a solid player, but leaves us without a 'stud' SF, unless we can also get a Harris, Butler, or Wesley Matthews, or similar value SF in FA, I think.

saintEscaton · Post #511 » by **saintEscaton** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:27 pm

Lets be real, its a pipedream. SAC might have claimed to put him on the market only to gauge interest and garner possible offers, but they aren't going to give him up for anything less than a godfather deal, which probably involves multiple teams. I don't see the Suns being the frontrunners, we would literally have to sell the house and then some and no team takes on 4+ players. Its not like Boogie is trying to force his way out either,even though he's a nutcase he still has the passion to take his team to the next level.

saintEscaton · Post #512 » by **saintEscaton** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 6:40 pm

If only we could somehow pry away Love from the Cavs for the right price. But I doubt they would do it after dealing away Wiggins for him and they would seek a bounty to get a return on investment.He has made it clear that he will use the player option and opt out of his deal, but he will be a UFA as a formality and will most likely re-sign. He's obviously not happy with his role on the team being relegated to a stretch 4 role player made expandable by Tristan Thompson's rebounding prowess/plus defense, and whenever he sees the court he doesnt really help spacing out the floor since Blatt underutilizes him. I dont know how effective he would be here, hope he would be more than a glorified Frye who can crash the boards and score inside

Revived · Post #513 » by **Revived** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:12 pm

If the Bucks are still interested in Bledsoe, I would look into trading him for SG Khris Middleton in a sign and trade.

thamadkant · Post #514 » by **thamadkant** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:30 pm

SF88 wrote:If the Bucks are still interested in Bledsoe, I would look into trading him for SG Khris Middleton in a sign and trade.

No way is Bledsoe ONLY worth Khris Middleton?

Are you serious SF88?? Seriously?? You want to trade in your BMW M3 for a Hyundai Veloster too (if you had one)?? because thats what you are proposing..

A borderline star talent like Bledsoe for a "nice" young player like Middleton, straight up?... not even any picks or any other assets?...

Thats ridiculous.

In a DIVORCE as in marriage divorce, I can see the husband giving up his 1 million dollar house to his wife, so that he can have an extra visitation day with his kid(s)... thats fine, as in a personal situation like that, you can justify the trade-off..

But on a professional team where GMs are judged on their transactions... giving up BLEDSOE for MIDDLETON straight up is absolute ridiculous. Sorry buddy, but thats bush-league level transaction... Bledsoe can impregnate McD's 17 year old daughter and I don't think he would still trade Bledsoe for Middleton out of spite.

You add Henson OR a lottery pick... then it starts to make more sense.

Revived · Post #515 » by **Revived** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:39 am

1UPZ wrote:
SF88 wrote:If the Bucks are still interested in Bledsoe, I would look into trading him for SG Khris Middleton in a sign and trade.

No way is Bledsoe ONLY worth Khris Middleton?

Are you serious SF88?? Seriously?? You want to trade in your BMW M3 for a Hyundai Veloster too (if you had one)?? because thats what you are proposing..

A borderline star talent like Bledsoe for a "nice" young player like Middleton, straight up?... not even any picks or any other assets?...

Thats ridiculous.

In a DIVORCE as in marriage divorce, I can see the husband giving up his 1 million dollar house to his wife, so that he can have an extra visitation day with his kid(s)... thats fine, as in a personal situation like that, you can justify the trade-off..

But on a professional team where GMs are judged on their transactions... giving up BLEDSOE for MIDDLETON straight up is absolute ridiculous. Sorry buddy, but thats bush-league level transaction... Bledsoe can impregnate McD's 17 year old daughter and I don't think he would still trade Bledsoe for Middleton out of spite.

You add Henson OR a lottery pick... then it starts to make more sense.

Middleton's younger, bigger, better shooter & rebounder, and growing. Go on the Bucks board and propose what I just said and I bet most of them will say we're the ones who need to add way more.

Bledsoe's a good player but he will never be a PG. He doesn't have the instincts or court vision of one.

I'd rather get a true young SG than force Bledsoe into the 1.

thamadkant · Post #516 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:23 am

Middleton is thriving WITHOUT Knight..
so you reunite him with Knight?
Also every team fan over rates their player and I admit, I'm probably over-rating Bledsoe to an extent...
But watch him explode on a team where he has an open lane to drive into... as opposed to the cluster-f%^& in Phoenix (at the moment).

Also, Suns biggest need is a two-way PF... they have PGs and SGs under control.

The Suns need players like Gordon Hayward at SG spot anyways... someone who can make plays for scoring-first players like Knight and Goodwin.

Middleton being compared to Klay Thompson is ridiculous also... Thompson is putting up his PPG and percentages at a higher volume and on a nightly basis. Middleton will improve, but the Suns simply has other needs over another scoring guard.
They need to fix the PF spot, they need reinforcement for Alex Len, only way for him to reach his potential is to be paired with a capable PF who can allow Len to be a help defender foremost.

NoKneeBledsoe · Post #517 » by **NoKneeBledsoe** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 4:18 am

1UPZ wrote:Middleton is thriving WITHOUT Knight..
so you reunite him with Knight?
Also every team fan over rates their player and I admit, I'm probably over-rating Bledsoe to an extent...
But watch him explode on a team where he has an open lane to drive into... as opposed to the cluster-f%^& in Phoenix (at the moment).

Also, Suns biggest need is a two-way PF... they have PGs and SGs under control.

The Suns need players like Gordon Hayward at SG spot anyways... someone who can make plays for scoring-first players like Knight and Goodwin.

Middleton being compared to Klay Thompson is ridiculous also... Thompson is putting up his PPG and percentages at a higher volume and on a nightly basis. Middleton will improve, but the Suns simply has other needs over another scoring guard.
They need to fix the PF spot, they need reinforcement for Alex Len, only way for him to reach his potential is to be paired with a capable PF who can allow Len to be a help defender foremost.

Am i confused on your love for bledsoe? When has he been stated as a STAR? He is not a star and needs to work on a lot of things

Shooting, Passing, & Less Turnovers.

I can see Middleton & a future 1st or a throw in but thats fair.

NavLDO · Post #518 » by **NavLDO** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:44 pm

1UPZ wrote:Middleton is thriving WITHOUT Knight..
so you reunite him with Knight?
Also every team fan over rates their player and I admit, I'm probably over-rating Bledsoe to an extent...
But watch him explode on a team where he has an open lane to drive into... as opposed to the cluster-f%^& in Phoenix (at the moment).

Also, Suns biggest need is a two-way PF... they have PGs and SGs under control.

The Suns need players like Gordon Hayward at SG spot anyways... someone who can make plays for scoring-first players like Knight and Goodwin.

Middleton being compared to Klay Thompson is ridiculous also... Thompson is putting up his PPG and percentages at a higher volume and on a nightly basis. Middleton will improve, but the Suns simply has other needs over another scoring guard.
They need to fix the PF spot, they need reinforcement for Alex Len, only way for him to reach his potential is to be paired with a capable PF who can allow Len to be a help defender foremost.

Dude, it's like, you're in my brain.

But seriously, agree with everything you said. And in addition, the last thing we need is yet another 6'7"ish SG/SF hybrid. We already have that in spades on this team:

Warren
Green
Bullock
Tucker
Thornton
Granger (though more of a SF/PF)
Marcus (also more of a SF/PF)

But point is, unless we are trading Tucker, Bullock, and Granger for Middleton, and then not signing Green and Thornton, then, and only then, would it make sense to trade for Middleton.

Post #519 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:00 pm

NavLDO wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Middleton is thriving WITHOUT Knight..
so you reunite him with Knight?
Also every team fan over rates their player and I admit, I'm probably over-rating Bledsoe to an extent...
But watch him explode on a team where he has an open lane to drive into... as opposed to the cluster-f%^& in Phoenix (at the moment).

Also, Suns biggest need is a two-way PF... they have PGs and SGs under control.

The Suns need players like Gordon Hayward at SG spot anyways... someone who can make plays for scoring-first players like Knight and Goodwin.

Middleton being compared to Klay Thompson is ridiculous also... Thompson is putting up his PPG and percentages at a higher volume and on a nightly basis. Middleton will improve, but the Suns simply has other needs over another scoring guard.
They need to fix the PF spot, they need reinforcement for Alex Len, only way for him to reach his potential is to be paired with a capable PF who can allow Len to be a help defender foremost.

Dude, it's like, you're in my brain.

But seriously, agree with everything you said. And in addition, the last thing we need is yet another 6'7"ish SG/SF hybrid. We already have that in spades on this team:

Warren
Green
Bullock
Tucker
Thornton
Granger (though more of a SF/PF)
Marcus (also more of a SF/PF)

But point is, unless we are trading Tucker, Bullock, and Granger for Middleton, and then not signing Green and Thornton, then, and only then, would it make sense to trade for Middleton.

Agreed. As much as I like Middleton,I'd rather give minutes to the guys WE drafted. I want Warren on as much minutes as possible ASAP. Whether that's 15mpg or 25mpg, I don't care.

kennydorglas · Post #520 » by **kennydorglas** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:52 pm

Middleton will be expensive.
Just watch... he's getting a bledsoe's contract from a crazy team. (Philly)