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Post#641 » by Quotatious » Thu Mar 5, 2015 3:14 am

trex_8063 wrote:Anybody willing to return to the top 100 project and either A) cast vote for Chris Bosh for #87 (to side-step a run-off), or B) vote for one of the other guys who have received a vote to get us into a run-off? We're otherwise just stuck in limbo there.....

EDIT: Actually, one more vote for Bosh won't end it. Argh!
Still, anyone......

Yeah, let's finish the project strong. Just 13 more threads after this one is over. Would be nice to get more votes. Just 8 votes so far in the #87 thread. RSCD, Owly, Doc MJ, Joao Saraiva, JordansBulls, come on guys. :) (just mentioning those who were recently active in the project).
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Post#642 » by ceiling raiser » Thu Mar 5, 2015 4:50 am

ronnymac2 wrote:
fpliii wrote:Maybe someone can help me with this...

Somebody recently posted a long-ish quote from ElGee in a thread (I think in the last week or two), in which he discussed offensive balance/tipping points/saturation or something to that extent. Looks like the site's searchbar isn't working, and the thread isn't showing up on Google.

Anybody remember the thread?


viewtopic.php?t=1142604&start=40

Not sure, has stuff about cohesion though, and the phrase "tipping point."

That's actually a very good post, thanks for sharing. :) Turns out this was it:

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1374658&p=42808211&hilit=elgee#p42808211
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Post#643 » by bondom34 » Thu Mar 5, 2015 6:09 am

fpliii wrote:
ronnymac2 wrote:
fpliii wrote:Maybe someone can help me with this...

Somebody recently posted a long-ish quote from ElGee in a thread (I think in the last week or two), in which he discussed offensive balance/tipping points/saturation or something to that extent. Looks like the site's searchbar isn't working, and the thread isn't showing up on Google.

Anybody remember the thread?


viewtopic.php?t=1142604&start=40

Not sure, has stuff about cohesion though, and the phrase "tipping point."

That's actually a very good post, thanks for sharing. :) Turns out this was it:

viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1374658&p=42808211&hilit=elgee#p42808211

I stole that for a Gen board debate too, great stuff.
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Re: PC Board OT thread 

Post#644 » by Texas Chuck » Fri Mar 6, 2015 4:16 pm

Pretty enjoyable Reggie interview:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkks7EqWnhU[/youtube]

Especially the Jordan trash-talking and the Tyson story
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Post#645 » by Hawk » Sun Mar 8, 2015 6:20 pm

Guys, what do you think about the OBPM, DBPM and BMP stats? How well do you think the BPM stat reflects the real impact of a player? Do you like to use it to get an idea of a player's impact in the game?
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Post#646 » by Dr Spaceman » Mon Mar 9, 2015 3:10 pm

Dr Olajuwon wrote:Guys, what do you think about the OBPM, DBPM and BMP stats? How well do you think the BPM stat reflects the real impact of a player? Do you like to use it to get an idea of a player's impact in the game?


Well let's start with the obvious: it's an equation designed to match as closely as possible the results of RAPM, without any input from RAPM. Meaning, it weights all of the individual box score stats such that the result is the closest model of RAPM possible using this limited sample.

It just has all of the same flaws as using any box score metric. It's based on an arbitrary, biased sample (Chris Paul and pre-trade Rondo averaged the same number of assists; are they equal playmakers?) and does an astonishingly horrible job evaluating defense. Like, seriously, look at how that stuff is calculated. BLK%, STL%, and DRB% are included in offensive BPM, and then DBPM is taken by BPM - OBPM.

It's probably the best we're going to do if we continue to just build things based on the box score. But that's not saying much, given that the box score has been shown time and time again to not properly assess a player's impact. We have a litany of much better and more useful impact stats now and on the horizon, and quite simply the only reason BPM would be useful is because it's the easiest to find (and I'm not discounting this, it's certainly an advantage). I won't use it in any type of serious analysis, to be frank.

EDIT: Now that I'm re-reading this, it's also kind of telling that these guys looked at the box score, and said "the best we can do with this is approximate RAPM". That's funny, but also very telling.
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Post#647 » by Hawk » Mon Mar 9, 2015 3:18 pm

Like, seriously, look at how that stuff is calculated. BLK%, STL%, and DRB% are included in offensive BPM, and then DBPM is taken by BPM - OBPM.


Wow, that seems like a really bad way to calculate the DBPM :o


Thanks for your post Dr.S :)
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Post#648 » by bondom34 » Mon Mar 9, 2015 8:14 pm

Dr. S, agreed. I haven't found the great merit to BPM myself just yet, and that was well put.
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Post#649 » by ardee » Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:42 am

New Simmons and Lowe pod every Monday, NBA ONLY, until June.

I am in a very good mood.
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Post#650 » by PaulieWal » Tue Mar 10, 2015 6:53 am

ardee wrote:New Simmons and Lowe pod every Monday, NBA ONLY, until June.

I am in a very good mood.


I hope it doesn't mean that he restricts himself to one NBA podcast per week. Also, I am sure Lowe was just a guest today, he will probably be featured prominently.
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Post#651 » by ardee » Wed Mar 11, 2015 8:50 am

I just had the honor of meeting Dan Barrett (President of Barrett Sports Group, the firm that kept the Kings in Sac). I asked him about Seattle and he categorically said the chances of them getting a team anytime soon are pretty much zero.

Also met the producer of NFL AM, Adam Watson, and the biggest hockey agent in the world, Pat Brisson. So much power in one room, lol.
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Post#652 » by Clyde Frazier » Fri Mar 13, 2015 5:09 am

[tweet]https://twitter.com/ESPNStatsInfo/status/576245128781770752[/tweet]

He was just unreal tonight. Love looks so lost out there, though.
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Post#653 » by Dr Spaceman » Sat Mar 14, 2015 7:52 pm

So apparently the league is moving forward with a$90M cap for 2016. What do you guys think? That summer is just Going to be a free for all.
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Post#654 » by bondom34 » Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:08 pm

Dr Spaceman wrote:So apparently the league is moving forward with a$90M cap for 2016. What do you guys think? That summer is just Going to be a free for all.

Cool by me, okc can max KD and still have cap space!
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Post#655 » by Hawk » Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:14 pm

Dr Spaceman wrote:So apparently the league is moving forward with a$90M cap for 2016. What do you guys think? That summer is just Going to be a free for all.


That's a pretty big increase right? I'm fine with it :D
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Post#656 » by Texas Chuck » Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:21 pm

Dr Spaceman wrote:So apparently the league is moving forward with a$90M cap for 2016. What do you guys think? That summer is just Going to be a free for all.



Once again let me extend the invitation to you and others here to come discuss this on the Trade Board. We have already started the debate on how it impacts this summer in regards to possibly more RFA's taking a QO to gamble on themselves when basically every team will have big money to spend and guys like Lebron and Love who have PO that maybe they pick up when otherwise its a no-brainer opt out. Also will we see a lot of one-year deals given out to FA's this year or will guys still opt for the long-term deal to lock up gtd money to protect themselves for injury.

So while the summer of 2016 looks to be a spending frenzy, perhaps just as interesting, if not more is how it impacts this summer.
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Post#657 » by ardee » Sun Mar 22, 2015 3:46 am

Anyone else got nothing to do on a Saturday night?

I tried watching Jazz-GSW but the Jazz offense makes my eyes hurt.
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Post#658 » by bondom34 » Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:03 am

ardee wrote:Anyone else got nothing to do on a Saturday night?

I tried watching Jazz-GSW but the Jazz offense makes my eyes hurt.

March Madness!

My second fave sporting time of year, after the week between Xmas and New Years college FB.
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Post#659 » by ardee » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:05 am

Jesus Christ, I was listening to Bill Don't Lie, and listening to my favorite sports writer waxing lyrical about my most hated sports team (FC Barcelona), was really difficult. I can deal with him being a Cs fan because I knew that when I became a fan.... but this... this is hard.
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Post#660 » by bondom34 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:00 am

If you're on Grantland, the Ibaka documentary is fantastic so far, I finished the first 2 parts. Great story.
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