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Post#881 » by bgwc » Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:45 pm

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bgwc wrote:Serious question - everyone is talking about white privilege and black disadvantage. What about everything that falls in between (asian, hispanic, etc.)?

I know this is a stupid question probably, but even say back during segregation when there were black and white schools, which school would asians and Hispanics and other ethnicities go to?

Everyone is effected by Systematic white supremacy. It so happens that there is one melanated group that is targeted far more and hated as well as owed far more than anyone else. I could create a list of how it effects different groups and even subgroups within their structure. This term privilege and disadvantage is disingenuous. That would mean I can as a Black person be privilege to all that white supremacy has to offer as a benefit when clearly that isn't the case if I am the richest Black man or the poorest. I have had privilege upbringing and I am still be affected by white supremacy. Let's call it what it is. This play nice with words is pussyfooting from the truth. Do not be cowardice as a man but do not be hardheaded either.

There wasn't that many Hispanics or Asians outside of a few states. I would have to research that.

In my case im half asian and half white (I look like an asian guy though). Would that mean I benefit from white privilege or am disadvantaged by it or neither?
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Post#882 » by wigglestrue » Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:16 pm

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wigglestrue wrote:NO. As far as it is ever being applied to teach kids a lesson about racial privilege that example SUCKS unless its purpose would be undermining its own thesis. Because in any such example, a few black kids should be in the front rows, too, and the rows furthest to the rear should be mostly composed of white kids with an extra black kid or two. Yet, the doctrinaire antiracist will first and foremost insist on imposing a racial dichotomy. If you are a white kid in a back row who objects that a racial lens is not the best way to understand the unfairness, is itself unfair by lumping the white kids in the back with the ones in the front despite their vastly different circumstances, then you will be scolded for not appreciating that the black kids in the front are positioned inches behind their white front row neighbors, for not noticing that your seat in the rearmost row is actually several inches closer to the basket than the seats of black kids sharing your row. "But...it's still 20 ******* feet away." Which, like any objection, only serves to demonstrate your own blindness to how good you have things as a white student, since white students are disproportionately closer to the basket on average. "But I'm not. Don't I count?" No, your individual condition does not count, you are a mere anecdote, the only thing that counts is that you surrender to the antiracist dogma that there are essential differences dividing the races reflected in every instance of a disparate impact per statistical averages. So, **** that example in the context of this thread.

Well one, it should be common sense that there aren't simple two lines, one close and white, and one far and black. It is common sense that there is even some overlap. The reality is that even low income whites, tend to have higher levels of accumulated wealth than blacks with considerably higher incomes. The analogy demonstrates that there are generally less obstacles that most whites will encounter in life. That's not to say that all whites have it easy, or that there aren't some blacks that do have it easy, but overwhelmingly, blacks will face obstacles that most whites will not face. You are confusing missing a short shot, with being forced to take a long shot.


I'm confusing nothing. You seem not to have comprehended the post you quoted, because your take was EXACTLY what I figured it would be. Read it again, this time with the sense that there might be some reasons in there for you to feel SHAME. You are, as predicted, scolding the white kids in the back row for not caring first and foremost about the relative advantage supposedly afforded them via their membership in a club they and their families have never or barely if ever benefitted from but that you insist they belong to despite not knowing jack **** about any of them except for their skin color. You're taking what ought to be the natural ground for membership in the same club as their black back row neighbors, and you're instead SEGREGATING the whites from the blacks. In other words: YOU'RE BEING RACIST.

It's inversely equivalent to the racist logic used by, say, the insufferably patronizing white lady teacher in Everybody Hates Chris. "Poor white kid, don't you realize how many advantages you have?" You think you already know things about people based on nothing but their complexion. THAT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM.

The root of it is your ideology. Just like Bill, you reify rate averages, tendencies, generalities into essential racial differences. At the same time negating -- or demoting to statistical insignificance, same difference -- discrete individual realities and subcultural factors which don't conform to the particular racialized narrative you're pot-committed to propagating. While you pay lip service to intersectionality and complexity, it does not change the fact that you are STILL DOING THOSE UNWISE AND UNFAIR AND RACIST THINGS. All you're doing is NOTHING BUT A DIFFERENT KIND OF STEREOTYPING.

I don't blame you as much as I blame whatever sociology classes have probably warped your brain. You might actually feel like rate discrepancies have more substance and meaning than, say, the utterly-unprivileged daily lives of millions of individual poor white people. You are WRONG. Correct yourself.

What's funny though is that if whites, especially the poor ones could move past their racism, they could likely help demand reform that could stem the tide of 3 plus decades of stagnant wages for the working class. Unfortunately these drones would rather waste tome defending their racism to their own peril. Oh well.


It's just the fault of those ignorant poor whites, eh? Gee, you think maybe the left's insatiable fetish for pushing a narrative of fundamental racial divides has anything to do with poor whites not realizing that they and poor blacks share almost all the same problems? And why do most poor blacks also fail to realize the same thing? Are they also ignorant racists? Or are they also being conditioned as a long-term strategy by ideologues to perceive racial conflicts ahead of and instead of class ones? Hmm?

I'll ask you the same question I asked Bill. How much time do you spend pondering the possibility that you have become the enemy without realizing it?
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Re: NBAPA Lawyer: Double standard exists regarding age limit for black basketball players and white athletes in other sp 

Post#883 » by wigglestrue » Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:41 pm

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BudTugly wrote:
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Racism/systematic/prejudice/etc is not a card. It's an extreme problem and saying something like a "card" proves your creditability on this topic as it is hypocritical. Economics is the main ole to systematic racism and this thread has to touch on to it or else it's going no where. There is the reason why the MLB has the strongest union while haven't the smallest % amount of college graduates of the three major sports. It's no surprise the NBA receives the smallest sympathy as well.





Sorry, I disagree. Sometimes it is just a card, as it is in the discussion pertaining to the NBA having an age limit. As serious and real as racism is in this country let alone around the world, it's extremely unproductive to fall into the trap of believing that everything is racist.

MLB's union vs the NBA player's union is not evidence of racism. Decades of housing lending prejudice and the ridiculous drug war is. The NBA openly discussing a change to their standards regarding age is not racism. Tom Cotton stating people in GitMo can "rot in hell" is.

It is not a choice of admitting that every accusation of racism is correct, or being in denial. This is a false dilemma which actually takes away from very real issues and disenfranchises people unfairly when they are simply trying to get involved. It's the exact same problem we have when black people (and others) won't accept that white people (or others) get to have an opinion on racism. Unless there is an open dialogue nothing positive can happen.

In regards to the NBA age issue, I don't think it's racist at all for the league to try to impose some standards. The reason is I can't see how some other race is benefiting from the standard being set. For every dollar an 18 year old is not making some vet 34-35 year old is. There is not a bunch of old white players who would be set aside to make room for young black ones.

Now, it's true that this standard helps owners and GMs, who are mostly white, protect themselves from drafting or paying guys who are too young to have proven to be worth the pick or contract. But it's also true that many, many young men are being exploited by agents into making decisions which are not good for the player at all. A great many of these young men would be much better served by staying in school. Most of these young men are black and I assume a lot of the agents are white.

Finally, there is nothing preventing men or women of any age, color or whatever to go pro in basketball. It's just one league. Anybody can play in Europe or China or what have you. If the NBA wants to set some standards, it just makes people mad because that league makes the most money. But they aren't keeping anybody from doing what they want to do. It's not the same as having a different dining room for some race or making people go to the back of the bus.

Thanks for taking the time to read my thoughts. I hope we all can move forward towards a time where everybody has a fair chance at the dream we all share.

It's all apart of systematic racism is what you don't understand. Just because it might effect the poor African ppl doesn't mean if something effects the rich African ppl, it isn't racism. Racism is not a small box that has to be qualified for approval. Racism is anything where TPTB are purposefully either ruling or the people of that belief believe that the power/money etc should stay in the dominate society hands regardless of the situation and it's merit. The dominate society here and over the last 450 years has been the white supremacy system and this was done by the Catholic Church after their win v. the Moors. I could go into detail with that but it's another topic for a different day.

Simply put, if you do not understand the system of racism or you do not care to address it as it doesn't benefit you, then you really have no input on what it is and isn't. The only thing you can do is credibility back your claims which you are trying to do which isn't working as you show blatant naivety on anything regarding racial issues as a sidebar if it doesn't hit your approval. Sorry my friend, but we simply do not need your approval on anything race related.

True be told, no white institution prepares these Black potential NBA players for the NBA lifestyle outside of training or regime relating to the actual sport. Same for Black collegiate athletes as well. Not even the Black ones. At least the Black ones make you acknowledge you are Black and everything that comes with it to modern day perception but if they fall woefully short as many systems in this country. No white institution prepares them for what they are about to encounter in the real world as a Black person. No, I haven't seen one white school that has done so and most never intended too and I rightfully understand.

Back to the main point, there is no such thing as "card" for race topic as simply put, you and your people have no call on what you feel oppression is.


Congrats, you win the award for Biggest Racist in This Thread, so far. Except I don't get the sense that yours is the oblivious kind.

Can you elaborate a little on the Catholic/Moor thing? Does it have something to do with, uh, Moorish Science?

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Post#884 » by Yoshun » Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:51 pm

Wow, I think this thread is officially over for me. It's turned into almost every race discussion I've ever witnessed. With the exception of a few posters, this is just people hurling insults at each other and insisting the other side is a bunch of racists. Very few listen, just attack, attack, attack.

Congrats gentlemen, we've accomplished nothing as per usual.

Im out, have fun having at each other.
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Post#885 » by Shot Clock » Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:57 pm

The league has the exact same numbers of players every year. The players get the exact same amount of money out of the league every year. It's a zero sum game. It makes absolutely no difference financially to the owners. I'm not sure what "racist" motive could be behind it.
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Post#886 » by King Ken » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:06 am

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Back to the main point, there is no such thing as "card" for race topic as simply put, you and your people have no call on what you feel oppression is.


And you're calling people racist. I suggest you spend some time on learning to empathize with others, since trying to force others via debate to empathize with your viewpoint is never going to work.

It's really sad to see somebody respond with pretty much the exact specific talking point I was decrying.

In case anybody reads this who isn't already personally invested in selling something, my point was that making everything racist takes away from the very real and pervasive issues that do exist, and that disenfranchising large swaths of people from having a take on the issue defeats the purpose of Dr. King's dream.

Highlighting one point and then bringing up Dr. King while not understanding Dr. King screams you might be a suspected white supremacist.

There is clearly a difference between calling you a racist and/or a group of people a racist and telling you that you have zero say in what people find to be oppressive and bigot. I do not try to act like I have decision making power of you or your families life. I would not say, you are being racist when you save money for your future generation so they can attend college, etc. Your purely showing signs of delusion and lacking transparency if you feel whatever I said make you feel as if I am attacking you as racist but I will attack you right now as showing suspected white supremacist traits. Deflection, delusion and refusing to address key notes while quoting a great man who said this:

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Post#887 » by King Ken » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:08 am

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bgwc wrote:Serious question - everyone is talking about white privilege and black disadvantage. What about everything that falls in between (asian, hispanic, etc.)?

I know this is a stupid question probably, but even say back during segregation when there were black and white schools, which school would asians and Hispanics and other ethnicities go to?

Everyone is effected by Systematic white supremacy. It so happens that there is one melanated group that is targeted far more and hated as well as owed far more than anyone else. I could create a list of how it effects different groups and even subgroups within their structure. This term privilege and disadvantage is disingenuous. That would mean I can as a Black person be privilege to all that white supremacy has to offer as a benefit when clearly that isn't the case if I am the richest Black man or the poorest. I have had privilege upbringing and I am still be affected by white supremacy. Let's call it what it is. This play nice with words is pussyfooting from the truth. Do not be cowardice as a man but do not be hardheaded either.

There wasn't that many Hispanics or Asians outside of a few states. I would have to research that.

In my case im half asian and half white (I look like an asian guy though). Would that mean I benefit from white privilege or am disadvantaged by it or neither?

From my experience dealing with multi-racial ppl, it depends on how you look like:

Elliot Rodgers seemed to think he was white but others didn't see him in that way and he didn't take kindly to that but far too small of a sample size. I would say, you run the risk of a poor study due to low percentages of testing measures.
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Post#888 » by King Ken » Sun Mar 15, 2015 12:36 am

Yoshun wrote:Wow, I think this thread is officially over for me. It's turned into almost every race discussion I've ever witnessed. With the exception of a few posters, this is just people hurling insults at each other and insisting the other side is a bunch of racists. Very few listen, just attack, attack, attack.

Congrats gentlemen, we've accomplished nothing as per usual.

Im out, have fun having at each other.

I think we are actually having a forward conversation. You aren't going to stop people from being who they are. One of the guys I have been going back and fore with is a suspected white supremacist. Do I hate him? No, we will see eye to eye? No, he benefits off of our resources, labor, and generational despair regardless if he won't claim responsibility, his system most definitely needs to. This one kid on this page is saying poor whites and poor blacks are the same when even they know it's not true. Poor whites know they have it 100 times better than the average Black person. They know in this country that white no matter what is *100 in terms of social worth to Blacks in this country.

Just an example: http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/09/s ... -for-hire/

If push come to shove, any Black man or woman can be targeted, rightfully or wrongfully. Everyone with sense and a real education, not just a piece of paper knows this. George Wallace, former governor of Alabama said that too and boy he knew he was wrong. He knew it but it's always one of those things that this world loves to call on i.e. "class". Regardless of "class", your value never changes, ask Michael Jackson and the puppet leaders in African nations.

I like that the mods haven't shut this down. It's good to have this talk. It's good to understand that some ppl don't really want people to get paid based on their own biases. Some people mention college is needed to keep players from doing like David Harrison but David Harrison went to Colorado so I guess it didn't work afterall.

I think we will have disagreements. That's normal. I do not mind. It's expected.
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Post#889 » by BudTugly » Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:13 am

King Ken wrote:
BudTugly wrote:
King Ken wrote:


Back to the main point, there is no such thing as "card" for race topic as simply put, you and your people have no call on what you feel oppression is.


And you're calling people racist. I suggest you spend some time on learning to empathize with others, since trying to force others via debate to empathize with your viewpoint is never going to work.

It's really sad to see somebody respond with pretty much the exact specific talking point I was decrying.

In case anybody reads this who isn't already personally invested in selling something, my point was that making everything racist takes away from the very real and pervasive issues that do exist, and that disenfranchising large swaths of people from having a take on the issue defeats the purpose of Dr. King's dream.

Highlighting one point and then bringing up Dr. King while not understanding Dr. King screams you might be a suspected white supremacist.

There is clearly a difference between calling you a racist and/or a group of people a racist and telling you that you have zero say in what people find to be oppressive and bigot. I do not try to act like I have decision making power of you or your families life. I would not say, you are being racist when you save money for your future generation so they can attend college, etc. Your purely showing signs of delusion and lacking transparency if you feel whatever I said make you feel as if I am attacking you as racist but I will attack you right now as showing suspected white supremacist traits. Deflection, delusion and refusing to address key notes while quoting a great man who said this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Doi_U0f8OA[/youtube]

Can you can address this video?


Denying racism is not at all the same as pushing back on one particular issue, namely the topic at hand. Which you cannot stick to since all you care about is stuffing others into boxes and labeling them.

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Post#890 » by wigglestrue » Sun Mar 15, 2015 1:46 am

This one kid on this page is saying poor whites and poor blacks are the same when even they know it's not true. Poor whites know they have it 100 times better than the average Black person. They know in this country that white no matter what is *100 in terms of social worth to Blacks in this country.


Good god...

So, all white people are categorically disqualified from giving an opinion on what racism and oppression mean, because of our race, but somehow your half-brained bigotry individually qualifies you to weigh in as an expert? Uh, no.

I'll ask again: Moorish Science your thing?
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Post#891 » by ALL HAIL » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:04 am

King Ken wrote:
BudTugly wrote:
King Ken wrote:


Back to the main point, there is no such thing as "card" for race topic as simply put, you and your people have no call on what you feel oppression is.


And you're calling people racist. I suggest you spend some time on learning to empathize with others, since trying to force others via debate to empathize with your viewpoint is never going to work.

It's really sad to see somebody respond with pretty much the exact specific talking point I was decrying.

In case anybody reads this who isn't already personally invested in selling something, my point was that making everything racist takes away from the very real and pervasive issues that do exist, and that disenfranchising large swaths of people from having a take on the issue defeats the purpose of Dr. King's dream.

Highlighting one point and then bringing up Dr. King while not understanding Dr. King screams you might be a suspected white supremacist.

There is clearly a difference between calling you a racist and/or a group of people a racist and telling you that you have zero say in what people find to be oppressive and bigot. I do not try to act like I have decision making power of you or your families life. I would not say, you are being racist when you save money for your future generation so they can attend college, etc. Your purely showing signs of delusion and lacking transparency if you feel whatever I said make you feel as if I am attacking you as racist but I will attack you right now as showing suspected white supremacist traits. Deflection, delusion and refusing to address key notes while quoting a great man who said this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Doi_U0f8OA[/youtube]

Can you can address this video?

Respect!

No one will address that video Ken. No one on the other side will speak to what King was speaking about, no one.

Reparations is a dirty word. They've been handed out in America and around the world for centuries, but bring up the idea that Black folks in America deserve them, and you might as well be speaking Chinese.

Black people definitely deserve them, but I'd NEVER dare ask. I understand why King was going there though. He had the power and the cache to do that ...

... That, and his opposition to Vietnam are the reasons why the American government killed him.
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Post#892 » by King Ken » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:08 am

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King Ken wrote:
BudTugly wrote:
And you're calling people racist. I suggest you spend some time on learning to empathize with others, since trying to force others via debate to empathize with your viewpoint is never going to work.

It's really sad to see somebody respond with pretty much the exact specific talking point I was decrying.

In case anybody reads this who isn't already personally invested in selling something, my point was that making everything racist takes away from the very real and pervasive issues that do exist, and that disenfranchising large swaths of people from having a take on the issue defeats the purpose of Dr. King's dream.

Highlighting one point and then bringing up Dr. King while not understanding Dr. King screams you might be a suspected white supremacist.

There is clearly a difference between calling you a racist and/or a group of people a racist and telling you that you have zero say in what people find to be oppressive and bigot. I do not try to act like I have decision making power of you or your families life. I would not say, you are being racist when you save money for your future generation so they can attend college, etc. Your purely showing signs of delusion and lacking transparency if you feel whatever I said make you feel as if I am attacking you as racist but I will attack you right now as showing suspected white supremacist traits. Deflection, delusion and refusing to address key notes while quoting a great man who said this:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Doi_U0f8OA[/youtube]

Can you can address this video?


Denying racism is not at all the same as pushing back on one particular issue, namely the topic at hand. Which you cannot stick to since all you care about is stuffing others into boxes and labeling them.

You deflect and change position each and every post. I address this in the previous post I've address you on this already. You have to stop this blatant arrogance and actually address points.

You manage to not answer one point of at least 20 points and have manage to cherry pick and completely misuse a quote. Once again, this is atypical white supremacist behavior.

Moving On:
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Post#893 » by BudTugly » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:20 am

Um, no. The thread is about an age limit in a basketball league, not the history of the country, let alone what to do about it.

What you are doing is disgusting. Taking a real issue which has caused and continues to cause such an enormous amount of pain, suffering and ruination and painting that all over a relatively trivial conversational point makes a mockery of the very, very real sacrifice made by so many.

You are a coward no better than Bill O'Reiley or Rush, selling outrage to make yourself feel like a victor. You're a fool. Somebody smarter than me already took the door out of here rather than continue a conversation about which poster is the biggest A hole.

Congratulations, it's you. I'm out.
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Post#894 » by Rip It » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:22 am

Can someone explain to me how "white privilege" is responsible for black culture being full of self-destructive violent crime? Please, do connect the dots for me. All I see is a bunch of pathetic excuses from awful human beings.
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Post#895 » by ALL HAIL » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:34 am

King Ken wrote:
Yoshun wrote:Wow, I think this thread is officially over for me. It's turned into almost every race discussion I've ever witnessed. With the exception of a few posters, this is just people hurling insults at each other and insisting the other side is a bunch of racists. Very few listen, just attack, attack, attack.

Congrats gentlemen, we've accomplished nothing as per usual.

Im out, have fun having at each other.

I think we are actually having a forward conversation. You aren't going to stop people from being who they are. One of the guys I have been going back and fore with is a suspected white supremacist. Do I hate him? No, we will see eye to eye? No, he benefits off of our resources, labor, and generational despair regardless if he won't claim responsibility, his system most definitely needs to. This one kid on this page is saying poor whites and poor blacks are the same when even they know it's not true. Poor whites know they have it 100 times better than the average Black person. They know in this country that white no matter what is *100 in terms of social worth to Blacks in this country.

Just an example: http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/09/s ... -for-hire/

If push come to shove, any Black man or woman can be targeted, rightfully or wrongfully. Everyone with sense and a real education, not just a piece of paper knows this. George Wallace, former governor of Alabama said that too and boy he knew he was wrong. He knew it but it's always one of those things that this world loves to call on i.e. "class". Regardless of "class", your value never changes, ask Michael Jackson and the puppet leaders in African nations.

I like that the mods haven't shut this down. It's good to have this talk. It's good to understand that some ppl don't really want people to get paid based on their own biases. Some people mention college is needed to keep players from doing like David Harrison but David Harrison went to Colorado so I guess it didn't work afterall.

I think we will have disagreements. That's normal. I do not mind. It's expected.

I agree. Anytime people can discuss these things while being guided by the practical wisdom of many posters here, I think it's quite productive and positive. There are several people who have come on here and helped sustain sensibility in the face of incredulousness.

Some people will always be lost. Being lost and in the dark is comfortable for many. It is what it is.

It's funny because in the original report by the OP, the lawyer for the Union never even mentioned the word "racism".

He said there was a double standard, he mentioned other sports as a reference, and people lost there minds, holding up there Captain America defensive shields.

It's also funny that a guy like myself can concede to the other side the lack of Black personal accountability, but no one with an alternate POV can concede the point that Black people are the authority and most well equipped to discuss matters of ethnic discrimination and inequity in America. It's really a small and simple thing to understand, but, unfortunately, it's to be expected. I'm not surprised at all.

White people can definitely have an opinion, but they have to humbly understand that, generally speaking, we know a hundred times more about being discriminated against and/or being treated unfairly.
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Post#896 » by Modulate » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:36 am

Rip It wrote:Can someone explain to me how "white privilege" is responsible for black culture being full of self-destructive violent crime? Please, do connect the dots for me. All I see is a bunch of pathetic excuses from awful human beings.


Why don't you just say what you really want to say and get it over with already instead of dancing around it by continually posing this loaded ass question as if you actually want (or would even accept) the answer.
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Re: NBAPA Lawyer: Double standard exists regarding age limit for black basketball players and white athletes in other sp 

Post#897 » by Pointgod » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:04 am

wigglestrue wrote:
It's just the fault of those ignorant poor whites, eh? Gee, you think maybe the left's insatiable fetish for pushing a narrative of fundamental racial divides has anything to do with poor whites not realizing that they and poor blacks share almost all the same problems? And why do most poor blacks also fail to realize the same thing? Are they also ignorant racists? Or are they also being conditioned as a long-term strategy by ideologues to perceive racial conflicts ahead of and instead of class ones? Hmm?

I'll ask you the same question I asked Bill. How much time do you spend pondering the possibility that you have become the enemy without realizing it?


I can't take someone who screams of the lefty or leftist agenda seriously. It reeks of "I believe everything the morons on FOX News scream at me!" What is exactly the left's agenda? "Gee, let's treat people fairly and equitably provide them a basic level of dignity that all human beings deserve" Yeah that's a horrible thing to do....

And before you go on a pointless diatribe I'll admit that there are people that are racist on the left. Now rage on!
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Re: NBAPA Lawyer: Double standard exists regarding age limit for black basketball players and white athletes in other sp 

Post#898 » by Rip It » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:15 am

Modulate wrote:
Rip It wrote:Can someone explain to me how "white privilege" is responsible for black culture being full of self-destructive violent crime? Please, do connect the dots for me. All I see is a bunch of pathetic excuses from awful human beings.


Why don't you just say what you really want to say and get it over with already instead of dancing around it by continually posing this loaded ass question as if you actually want (or would even accept) the answer.


I'm not sure what whacky conspiracy theory you have floating around in your head, but I'm asking a question because I'd like an answer. Why is everyone dodging it? Is it because they don't like the answer?
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Re: NBAPA Lawyer: Double standard exists regarding age limit for black basketball players and white athletes in other sp 

Post#899 » by ALL HAIL » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:40 am

Rip It wrote:Can someone explain to me how "white privilege" is responsible for black culture being full of self-destructive violent crime? Please, do connect the dots for me. All I see is a bunch of pathetic excuses from awful human beings.

There is no "excuse".

The "reason", however, is that we hate ourselves. We've been conditioned to.

Again, no excuses, but you don't erase 500 years of terrorism and extremely deep psychological trauma in the less than 50 years since the civil rights movement.

Do we have control over ourselves? Of course we do, and we should, but many Black people suffer from a deep, deep sickness that is primarily rooted in an inability to value other Black people--self-hate.

This idea clearly has its roots in the systematic indoctrinations and conditioning brought forth through the Willie Lynch Doctrines (please read and digest them if you really want to understand).

We've been conditioned to not trust each other, and we've been conditioned to not value the importance of unity.

There's no excuse for not waking up out of this "fog", but there is a distinct reason, and many of them fall on the feet of our oppressors.

Black people are truly unique in that we endured a horrendously long psychological nightmare, and we also lay claim to the same land of our previous slave masters.

Trust me, I hate these dudes who kill other Black people like they're merely stepping on ants, and I hate these dudes who selfishly allow our communities to become crack infested, but there is a 500 year undercurrent that cannot be denied.

The sickness and disease we suffer from needs to be treated as such before any reasonable change can begin.
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Re: NBAPA Lawyer: Double standard exists regarding age limit for black basketball players and white athletes in other sp 

Post#900 » by jordan0386 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:30 am

Rip It wrote:Can someone explain to me how "white privilege" is responsible for black culture being full of self-destructive violent crime? Please, do connect the dots for me. All I see is a bunch of pathetic excuses from awful human beings.



Besides some forms of rap, what are these self destructive violent crimes you are seeing.

And are no other cultures committing these violent acts?

Do you have stats showing what blacks do negatively more than whites or any other culture of people?

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