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sc8581 · Post #141 » by **sc8581** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:39 am

I think RJ could be a lot more efficient with better players around him, like a Gordon Hayward for example. Problem is, I don't want to spend $50 million to find out for sure lol

Post #142 » by **bondom34** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:24 am

sc8581 wrote:I think RJ could be a lot more efficient with better players around him, like a Gordon Hayward for example. Problem is, I don't want to spend $50 million to find out for sure lol

Sadly, not much. Even around KD, he was at best OK. Was he benched the whole 4th? I saw the end, and his stats again sucked, but I at least thought he would be decent for you guys.

Edit: Also heard about Dre, hope he's alright.

MotownMadness · Post #143 » by **MotownMadness** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:15 am

bondom34 wrote:
sc8581 wrote:I think RJ could be a lot more efficient with better players around him, like a Gordon Hayward for example. Problem is, I don't want to spend $50 million to find out for sure lol

Sadly, not much. Even around KD, he was at best OK. Was he benched the whole 4th? I saw the end, and his stats again sucked, but I at least thought he would be decent for you guys.

Edit: Also heard about Dre, hope he's alright.

He's been awful but you've got too see him play for like 3-4 years though So he's obviously got to be a little bit better then this right? Or is this pretty much what you get with just slightly better efficiency?

Post #144 » by **bondom34** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:19 am

MotownMadness wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
sc8581 wrote:I think RJ could be a lot more efficient with better players around him, like a Gordon Hayward for example. Problem is, I don't want to spend $50 million to find out for sure lol

Sadly, not much. Even around KD, he was at best OK. Was he benched the whole 4th? I saw the end, and his stats again sucked, but I at least thought he would be decent for you guys.

Edit: Also heard about Dre, hope he's alright.

He's been awful but you've got too see him play for like 3-4 years though So he's obviously got to be a little bit better then this right? Or is this pretty much what you get with just slightly better efficiency?

Yeah, he's not this awful, but I don't think any NBA player is, he's been worse than I've ever seen from the numbers. One thing that jumps out at me is that OKC played him at SG alongside Russ, he's not really a great PG. Even when Russ was out, Durant ran point forward a lot. I think he's slightly out of position, he thinks he's a starting PG, which is the ultimate issue. He's really a good sixth man who's a combo guard.
Edit: Checking lineups, this season all his lineups with a positive point differential were alongside Russ or KD/Waters. He needs another ball handler or 2.

MotownMadness · Post #145 » by **MotownMadness** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:27 am

bondom34 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Sadly, not much. Even around KD, he was at best OK. Was he benched the whole 4th? I saw the end, and his stats again sucked, but I at least thought he would be decent for you guys.

Edit: Also heard about Dre, hope he's alright.

He's been awful but you've got too see him play for like 3-4 years though So he's obviously got to be a little bit better then this right? Or is this pretty much what you get with just slightly better efficiency?

Yeah, he's not this awful, but I don't think any NBA player is, he's been worse than I've ever seen from the numbers. One thing that jumps out at me is that OKC played him at SG alongside Russ, he's not really a great PG. Even when Russ was out, Durant ran point forward a lot. I think he's slightly out of position, he thinks he's a starting PG, which is the ultimate issue. He's really a good sixth man who's a combo guard.
Edit: Checking lineups, this season all his lineups with a positive point differential were alongside Russ or KD/Waters. He needs another ball handler or 2.

I definitely wouldn't want him as our staring SG seeing as we have nothing like a Westbrook to completely mask him. I agree though and have been thinking the same that he should be a backup combo guard where he could possibly thrive. But I think we all know he wants to start which is the problem with that.

Post #146 » by **bondom34** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:28 am

MotownMadness wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:He's been awful but you've got too see him play for like 3-4 years though So he's obviously got to be a little bit better then this right? Or is this pretty much what you get with just slightly better efficiency?

Yeah, he's not this awful, but I don't think any NBA player is, he's been worse than I've ever seen from the numbers. One thing that jumps out at me is that OKC played him at SG alongside Russ, he's not really a great PG. Even when Russ was out, Durant ran point forward a lot. I think he's slightly out of position, he thinks he's a starting PG, which is the ultimate issue. He's really a good sixth man who's a combo guard.
Edit: Checking lineups, this season all his lineups with a positive point differential were alongside Russ or KD/Waters. He needs another ball handler or 2.

I definitely wouldn't want him as our staring SG seeing as we have nothing like a Westbrook to completely mask him. I agree though and have been thinking the same that he should be a backup combo guard where he could possibly thrive. But I think we all know he wants to start which is the problem with that.

Yeah, that was sorta the problem in OKC, then his attitude went down the tubes.

313 Professor · Post #147 » by **313 Professor** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:46 am

MotownMadness wrote:
bondom34 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:He's been awful but you've got too see him play for like 3-4 years though So he's obviously got to be a little bit better then this right? Or is this pretty much what you get with just slightly better efficiency?

Yeah, he's not this awful, but I don't think any NBA player is, he's been worse than I've ever seen from the numbers. One thing that jumps out at me is that OKC played him at SG alongside Russ, he's not really a great PG. Even when Russ was out, Durant ran point forward a lot. I think he's slightly out of position, he thinks he's a starting PG, which is the ultimate issue. He's really a good sixth man who's a combo guard.
Edit: Checking lineups, this season all his lineups with a positive point differential were alongside Russ or KD/Waters. He needs another ball handler or 2.

I definitely wouldn't want him as our staring SG seeing as we have nothing like a Westbrook to completely mask him. I agree though and have been thinking the same that he should be a backup combo guard where he could possibly thrive. But I think we all know he wants to start which is the problem with that.

*prays for Jackson/Dinwiddie starting backcourt vs. Memphis*

sc8581 · Post #148 » by **sc8581** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:00 am

bondom34 wrote:
MotownMadness wrote:
bondom34 wrote:Sadly, not much. Even around KD, he was at best OK. Was he benched the whole 4th? I saw the end, and his stats again sucked, but I at least thought he would be decent for you guys.

Edit: Also heard about Dre, hope he's alright.

He's been awful but you've got too see him play for like 3-4 years though So he's obviously got to be a little bit better then this right? Or is this pretty much what you get with just slightly better efficiency?

Yeah, he's not this awful, but I don't think any NBA player is, he's been worse than I've ever seen from the numbers. One thing that jumps out at me is that OKC played him at SG alongside Russ, he's not really a great PG. Even when Russ was out, Durant ran point forward a lot. I think he's slightly out of position, he thinks he's a starting PG, which is the ultimate issue. He's really a good sixth man who's a combo guard.
Edit: Checking lineups, this season all his lineups with a positive point differential were alongside Russ or KD/Waters. He needs another ball handler or 2.

That was my point, he needs someone else to be the primary ball handler

princeofpalace · Post #149 » by **princeofpalace** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:46 am

Too bad we won't start Dinwiddie and bring Jackson off the bench, atleast Dinwiddie has the potential to get better. Jackson is who he is.

DBC10 · Post #150 » by **DBC10** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:17 pm

We need an actual PG, not another combo who can't shoot ala Stuckey.

I guess that's the reason why he gives up the ball to KCP so much ever since he got here.

Also, it's very telling that RJ's minutes has gotten regressive as the games go, and last night he barely even played the 4th since he's a liability on D and shooting. It's safe to say even Stan's getting slowly miffed at his production, or lack thereof.

Neptune · Post #151 » by **Neptune** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:08 pm

Man, I freaking fell asleep on this game last night.

I see Reggie brought a doughnut in the assist column. @Hotmayo, encourage your guy to play the 2 man. And @BigFatBob, you can laugh at my post but you can't say it doesn't have truth to it.

Blkbrd671 · Post #152 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:48 am

kurtis48239 wrote:
DETermination wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:

hate to admit it, but starting to see the same thing. BK7 comes to mind when i watch him

At least Knight could shoot the 3 and attack the basket, Reggie does nothing but take floaters and brick long jumpers.

and defend,but the kid just couldnt run an offense and constantly bobbled the ball.

RJ has a lot better sense of pace and handle, however he has no clue how to utilize it. When RJ gets into the lane and its 1 on 1 against a big man, he doesn't know how to utilize his skill set to take advantage. I am quite surprised at this

Blkbrd671 · Post #153 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:49 am

princeofpalace wrote:Too bad we won't start Dinwiddie and bring Jackson off the bench, atleast Dinwiddie has the potential to get better. Jackson is who he is.

24 year old can't improve? you do know moose is 24?

Blkbrd671 · Post #154 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:49 am

DETermination wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:
DETermination wrote:From what I have seen of Reggie so far as a piston I just don't think he is a starting pg.

hate to admit it, but starting to see the same thing. BK7 comes to mind when i watch him

At least Knight could shoot the 3 and attack the basket, Reggie does nothing but take floaters and brick long jumpers.

stated this earlier, but he doesn't know how to utilize his skill set to score

Blkbrd671 · Post #155 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:52 am

kurtis48239 wrote:reggie must be thinking to himself,should have taken the okc contract.

i think the fact that he's a hard worker, character guy(reportedly) and tremendously athletic will get him paid more than that. or at least a prove it deal. I think RJ just needs more development. Some team will fall in love wit him, plus tv deal kicks in, that'll be his floor.

eckles · Post #156 » by **eckles** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 10:01 am

Coming from an outsiders point of view, I don't even think Reggie Jackson is the problem to be honest. The Detroit PG situation actually seems fine to me, Dinwiddie is quite a capable backup or 3rd stringer,. You just simply lack solid players on the wings, nothing against KCP, but he still is trying to develop his shot, and man you have Prince, Butler they are just WAY passed their prime. Meeks is just too damn streaky goodness. You should of at least kept Rodney Stuckey, he was the better option than any of those guys.
But I still believe Drummond is a C for Detroit future, not sure about Monroe though

Blkbrd671 · Post #157 » by **Blkbrd671** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:55 am

eckles wrote:Coming from an outsiders point of view, I don't even think Reggie Jackson is the problem to be honest. The Detroit PG situation actually seems fine to me, Dinwiddie is quite a capable backup or 3rd stringer,. You just simply lack solid players on the wings, nothing against KCP, but he still is trying to develop his shot, and man you have Prince, Butler they are just WAY passed their prime. Meeks is just too damn streaky goodness. You should of at least kept Rodney Stuckey, he was the better option than any of those guys.
But I still believe Drummond is a C for Detroit future, not sure about Monroe though

you almost had me til you said that statement. just simply NO.

The problem is very much RJ, but compounded by Tay's ball stopping and lack of shooters. Other than meeks and tolliver, no else can consistently shoot the ball

eckles · Post #158 » by **eckles** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:13 am

I don't think Detroit needs to be panicking anyway compared to many other teams in the east like Knicks, Hornets..
Reggie Jackson has still room for improvement, he just needs confidence back and be that guy again like he was earlier this season with OKC as a starter
You've got a great coach to build a solid system. A good young core in Drummond, Monroe, Jackson and KCP.
point guard Jennings to come back with some leadership credentials next season.
A great wing player was always a problem in Utah as well till Gordon Hayward developed, so same can happen with KCP. No worries mate

joedumars1 · Post #159 » by **joedumars1** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:25 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:
eckles wrote:Coming from an outsiders point of view, I don't even think Reggie Jackson is the problem to be honest. The Detroit PG situation actually seems fine to me, Dinwiddie is quite a capable backup or 3rd stringer,. You just simply lack solid players on the wings, nothing against KCP, but he still is trying to develop his shot, and man you have Prince, Butler they are just WAY passed their prime. Meeks is just too damn streaky goodness. You should of at least kept Rodney Stuckey, he was the better option than any of those guys.
But I still believe Drummond is a C for Detroit future, not sure about Monroe though

you almost had me til you said that statement. just simply NO.

The problem is very much RJ, but compounded by Tay's ball stopping and lack of shooters. Other than meeks and tolliver, no else can consistently shoot the ball

Tolliver has been having a horrible March. He's shooting 6% from behind the arc in his last 5 games... and 11% total for the month so far. 28% overall, I believe. Pity.

Blkbrd671 · Post #160 » by **Blkbrd671** » Tue Mar 17, 2015 10:27 pm

joedumars1 wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:
eckles wrote:Coming from an outsiders point of view, I don't even think Reggie Jackson is the problem to be honest. The Detroit PG situation actually seems fine to me, Dinwiddie is quite a capable backup or 3rd stringer,. You just simply lack solid players on the wings, nothing against KCP, but he still is trying to develop his shot, and man you have Prince, Butler they are just WAY passed their prime. Meeks is just too damn streaky goodness. You should of at least kept Rodney Stuckey, he was the better option than any of those guys.
But I still believe Drummond is a C for Detroit future, not sure about Monroe though

you almost had me til you said that statement. just simply NO.

The problem is very much RJ, but compounded by Tay's ball stopping and lack of shooters. Other than meeks and tolliver, no else can consistently shoot the ball

Tolliver has been having a horrible March. He's shooting 6% from behind the arc in his last 5 games... and 11% total for the month so far. 28% overall, I believe. Pity.

wow, shawne williams isn't doing any better