What's going on with KCP

aad · Post #1 » by **aad** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:51 pm

Since the trade he seems to have taken a step back is it because hes the only shooter in the lineup

DBC10 · Post #2 » by **DBC10** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:27 pm

I think teams are closing out on our shooters more since they know our frontcourt can't shoot and RJ can't shoot either.

Also, KCP's shot selection has been awful too. If it wasn't for his defense, I wouldn't want him on the starting lineup.

Joe Berry · Post #3 » by **Joe Berry** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:49 pm

Tolliver went from a 40% 3pt shooter to 19% so far in march, both Tolliver and KCP shoot the most 3s on the team, both have been horrible since the losing streak. Any kind of spacing we had is gone with Singler & Augustin off the team and KCP & Tolliver ice cold.

vs Cleveland: 40% FG, 37% 3s
vs Knicks: 40% FG, 25% 3s
vs Wizards 48% FG, 30% 3s
vs Pelicans 40% FG, 14% 3s
vs Rockets 36% FG, 20 % 3s
vs Charlotte 51% FG, 35% 3s
vs Lakers 38% FG, 23% 3s
vs Warroirs 43% FG, 33 % 3s
vs Blazers 45% FG, 28% 3s
vs Jazz 38% FG, 35% 3s

This is not all Reggies fault, SVG knew Jackson was a low percentage scorer. But with the lack of any kind of spacing this offense turned into a $hithole.

tetris · Post #4 » by **tetris** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:59 pm

Nothing is going on with KCP. This is who he is

Canadafan · Post #5 » by **Canadafan** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:30 pm

tetris wrote:Nothing is going on with KCP. This is who he is

Nah. Dude is young. Plays his ass off. Always seems to be making plays defensively. His 1 out of 4 good offensive games gives me hope for the future lol. He will become a better shooter no doubt. If only Drummond had kcp's work ethic I'd feel so much more confident that Andre would figure out how to shoot a free throw.

Laimbeer · Post #6 » by **Laimbeer** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:41 pm

tetris wrote:Nothing is going on with KCP. This is who he is

This a hundred times over. People need to accept it, he can't shoot. Has never been able to. His overrated defense doesn't really make up for it. He looks like a marginal player, but given our lack of assets and alternatives I think we have to stick with him and RJ and hope it gels somehow.

sfballa13 · Post #7 » by **sfballa13** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:10 pm

Laimbeer wrote:
tetris wrote:Nothing is going on with KCP. This is who he is

This a hundred times over. People need to accept it, he can't shoot. Has never been able to. His overrated defense doesn't really make up for it. He looks like a marginal player, but given our lack of assets and alternatives I think we have to stick with him and RJ and hope it gels somehow.

Finally someone calls KCP out for what he really is, nothing more than an inefficient SG with average to above average D

Im not advocating a trade but I also am not betting the house on KCP either

Post #8 » by **Snakebites** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 6:11 pm

He's just not that good.

That's whats happening. I can't really call this a slump or an "he hasn't been the same since the deal" sort of situation when all that's really happened is he's reverted back to being the guy he was the other 90% of his career before his recent hot stretch.

King Bugs · Post #9 » by **King Bugs** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:20 pm

This dude isn't good, but neither was the draft he was taken from. His ceiling is like Courtney Lee, we can do better than that at SG.

We have our work cut out for us this summer. The 2 & 3 need to be upgraded badly and the 1 & 4 are looking like they need replacements.

aad · Post #10 » by **aad** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:38 pm

He average 12 ppg in his second year and play good defense my problem is his shooting

KCP5 · Post #11 » by **KCP5** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:50 am

Second year people have some patience. To say he is not going to get any better then he is a very brave statement. Why develop him for 2 years and then cast him aside we have seen enough of that (Middleton, Afflalo). Yes he is inconsistent at the moment but find me more then a couple of rookies and sophomores that aren't.

Blkbrd671 · Post #12 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:59 am

aad wrote:He average 12 ppg in his second year and play good defense my problem is his shooting

He's asked to do different things , prior to the trade, he mostly caught the ball in places in comfort area's, now he's trying to create, he's forcing shots, he's missing open shots, he's just obviously not comfortable. What really is concerning me is that KCP 80% of the time always took good shots, he didn't make all of em, but his shot selection tended to be good. Whats encouraging is that defensively he's always consistent, he'll get at least 12 ppg just on hustle. I think SVG knows he's a better shooter than what we are seeing, i think he konws it. For whatever reason, he's struggling right now, but as a sophmore, i am not prepared to call him a bust, or "not good", i am pretty sure that is premature.

Its ironic that some ppl think MCW can turn his broke shot into a decent jump shot, but a player with much purer form can't improve his shots.

DBC10 · Post #13 » by **DBC10** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:21 pm

To imply he's a bust at the 8th pick on a terrible draft would be the most kneejerk thing I've read on this forum in a while. So I'm totally glad people aren't doing that, at least not anymore.

In a redraft, he would go the same position more than likely. He plays good defense, shot 35-36% from the 3 ball prior to the trade and increased his scoring load by double compared to last year. There's hope for him yet. Let's tone down the rhetoric, at least we didn't draft Anthony Bennet or MCW with a broken shot. People act like he's MKG.

ImHeisenberg · Post #14 » by **ImHeisenberg** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:49 pm

DBC10 wrote:To imply he's a bust at the 8th pick on a terrible draft would be the most kneejerk thing I've read on this forum in a while. So I'm totally glad people aren't doing that, at least not anymore.

In a redraft, he would go the same position more than likely. He plays good defense, shot 35-36% from the 3 ball prior to the trade and increased his scoring load by double compared to last year. There's hope for him yet. Let's tone down the rhetoric, at least we didn't draft Anthony Bennet or MCW with a broken shot. People act like he's MKG.

In the last few games, I've paid attention to where he was getting the ball. He's generally not receiving any good passes. They've been way off target, where he has to reach or jump to catch the ball. That effectively eliminates his catch and shoot opportunities most of the time. He's terrible on pull up jumpers, and that's really the only shot he's been able to get off.

He definitely needs to work on his pull up game this summer, because I wouldn't expect those passes to improve a whole lot if Jackson is back next season. But, I think the poor overall ball movement has been detrimental to him.

DBC10 · Post #15 » by **DBC10** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:00 pm

ImHeisenberg wrote:
DBC10 wrote:To imply he's a bust at the 8th pick on a terrible draft would be the most kneejerk thing I've read on this forum in a while. So I'm totally glad people aren't doing that, at least not anymore.

In a redraft, he would go the same position more than likely. He plays good defense, shot 35-36% from the 3 ball prior to the trade and increased his scoring load by double compared to last year. There's hope for him yet. Let's tone down the rhetoric, at least we didn't draft Anthony Bennet or MCW with a broken shot. People act like he's MKG.

In the last few games, I've paid attention to where he was getting the ball. He's generally not receiving any good passes. They've been way off target, where he has to reach or jump to catch the ball. That effectively eliminates his catch and shoot opportunities most of the time. He's terrible on pull up jumpers, and that's really the only shot he's been able to get off.

He definitely needs to work on his pull up game this summer, because I wouldn't expect those passes to improve a whole lot if Jackson is back next season. But, I think the poor overall ball movement has been detrimental to him.

I agree, it's not just KCP too. Tolliver has been absolutely brutal for us post-trade and Meeks (who is a career known shooter) has been just as streaky if not worse than KCP all season. I think the fact that Meeks came here and then has been inefficient is really telling of our offense since Meeks most of the time is going against 2nd stringers, not starters and he still suffers. Our shooters are just working too hard to get off quality shots, which most of the time are contested due to lack of ball movement and a predictable offense.

Safe to say, the league has us scouted now. And it's further compounded by the fact neither our frontcourt and "PGOTF" can shoot.

Billl · Post #16 » by **Billl** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:27 pm

By month - KCP's 3% = 20%, 38%, 36%, 32%, 40%, 15%.

The guy is streaky/inconsistent. He's had 2 good months, to mediocre months, and 2 bad months.

The killer is that he really can't create a shot other than a long, pullup J. He's entirely dependent on good offensive execution to get him shots, and we haven't seen much of that this year.

Blaming that all on RJ is a bit of a stretch. Yes, he's the pg - but the overall ball movement has been bad. Both Moose and Dre are playing like black holes in the post. Moose will still pass out the high post, most most of his touches are coming down low. When was the last time we saw a big-to-big pass or even a pass out of the post against a double? Tay has been his usual slow-it-down self. KCP is playing big minutes at guard, but only getting 1 assist?

Every team needs to move the ball, but teams without a true #1 scorer need to make it an even higher priority.

MrBigShot · Post #17 » by **MrBigShot** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:29 pm

The last two nights were pretty much a testament to the player KCP is right now. One night he can't shoot the ball into an ocean, and the other he's draining everything and playing a terrific transition game. He's scored 20+ 11 times this season. But he's also scored 5 or less 9 times

His 12ppg average is an awful representation of what you will get from him on a nightly basis because he's so streaky. KCP doesn't suck, he's just very, very inconsistent. And given that we aren't exactly contenders or even in the playoff hunt and he's a 2nd player, I'd say he has some time to figure it out.

kamal2_espn · Post #18 » by **kamal2_espn** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:13 pm

KCP is John Starks without the attitude.

Kilo · Post #19 » by **Kilo** » Wed Mar 18, 2015 6:29 pm

I don't like that he doesn't get to the line. How can you average 30 mpg and at the same time less than two free throw attempts per game? If he's nothing except 3&D we need a #1 scorer still - either that be Jackson or our 2015 first rounder - somebody who can do it all scoring wise and take over games. When KCP's three point shot isn't falling he offers little else really.

kurtis48239 · Post #20 » by **kurtis48239** » Thu Mar 19, 2015 2:03 am

Hes proving that he can slash to the basket and finish,not all the time but he can do it,he was a proven shooter in college and has shown that in spurts with us,his ball handling has/is gotten better.He is always hustling and his defense is a plus.

You know what that says to me,hes a 2nd year player and is developing.He has the work etic to match.You guys can at least give him until the end of next year befor calling him a bust,you would think we would have learned from that with the amount of players we have given up on.Next year with a better cast and hopefuly a consistent offense.