Towns or Okafor or Mudiay or Russel?

[NYKnicksTAPE]

Two weeks ago I was team Russell

Last week I was team OK4

This week I'm team Towns

Next week I'm gonna be back on the OK4 team

Damn bro, you're doing more waffling than IHOP

[TrueWarrior]

Genuinely curious why there is a belief that Towns is "raw" and needs time to develop? Seems to me like he is already extremely skilled. Maybe he doesn't have post repertoire of Okafor, but he is far from inept there, and also can contribute on the offensive end immediately with his shooting and passing.

Some people make it seem like Towns is another Tyson. They are just comparing his post game to Jah so it looks basic, which it is, but its already better than Tyson's ever was. Centers like Tyson can get 10+ ppg on junk baskets alone. You add Towns' post work, shooting, and passing and theres no reason he cant get to 20 ppg and 3-4 apg in a few years.

For a 19 year old center Towns is far from raw, and hes already pretty big at 250 pounds. His per minute and advanced stats are almost identical to the great NBA centers in college at the same stage, and hes barely a focal point on offense. People just think hes raw because he only plays 20-25 mpg and isnt being force fed every possession like Jah is.

Towns can come in and help this team right away across the board. Jah will help with scoring in the beginning but who knows about the other end. With Melo here we'd just have to believe Jah will concentrate on his all around game more, but I'd rather have what Towns brings now and in the future.

[Sark]

Lmao at using "favorite team growing up" to draft a player. That's something you can use later in life when a player is a free agent and has choices, and you try to lure him to your city. When players enter the draft, it's the one time that they have zero choice on their destination. The team has complete control. You don't use silly factors like "want". You take best available talent.

[blanko]

I don't think we could go wrong either way. Okafor will be a scoring maching in the post even in the nba, the guy is just to big and skilled. He reminds me of Brad Daughterly. We put Okafor with a defensive beast with carmelo and that would be great, we put towns with another player and melo that would be great also.

[darkjedi4z]

No thanks to Mudiay. Still not sure. Okafur's offensive game vs. Townes' defense. I like Russell but I feel like Phil has plans to go big and I can see he's already fan of Towns and the potential.

[E-Balla]

Genuinely curious why there is a belief that Towns is "raw" and needs time to develop? Seems to me like he is already extremely skilled. Maybe he doesn't have post repertoire of Okafor, but he is far from inept there, and also can contribute on the offensive end immediately with his shooting and passing.

Some people make it seem like Towns is another Tyson. They are just comparing his post game to Jah so it looks basic, which it is, but its already better than Tyson's ever was. Centers like Tyson can get 10+ ppg on junk baskets alone. You add Towns' post work, shooting, and passing and theres no reason he cant get to 20 ppg and 3-4 apg in a few years.

For a 19 year old center Towns is far from raw, and hes already pretty big at 250 pounds. His per minute and advanced stats are almost identical to the great NBA centers in college at the same stage, and hes barely a focal point on offense. People just think hes raw because he only plays 20-25 mpg and isnt being force fed every possession like Jah is.

Towns can come in and help this team right away across the board. Jah will help with scoring in the beginning but who knows about the other end. With Melo here we'd just have to believe Jah will concentrate on his all around game more, but I'd rather have what Towns brings now and in the future.

People aren't confident in Towns' post game because he hasn't shown it off against good competition at all. Other than his owning of Jon Horford all of his best games are against tiny teams. Imma run through all the teams he had 10+ against. Georgia has no players over 6-8, Auburn has no rotation players over 6-8, Eastern Kentucky has no players over 6-7, Texas-Arlington wasn't playing their only 6-10 player at the time the two teams met, Mizzou had one 6-10 player in their rotation but they're one of the worst teams in college ball and they were blown out so fast Towns didn't touch the floor with him(9-23, 3-15 in conference), and Ole Miss has no players over 6-9.

Of the remaining teams there's LSU, Louisville, Texas, Florida, and Providence. Like I said before he owns Jon Horford (Florida) and those were legit games against an NBA sized big where he looked good and he was a combined 15-30 (.500) which still isn't that amazing. Providence also has a 7-0 rotation player and Towns played him well offensively (that's actually one of the few games where he looked bad on D though). Against LSU, Louisville, and Texas he was under 50% from the field and a combined 11/25 (44%).

I'll need to see him play well against someone other than (his former teammate and practice buddy) Jon Horford and maybe I'll believe he can post up effectively in the league.

[TrueWarrior]

Genuinely curious why there is a belief that Towns is "raw" and needs time to develop? Seems to me like he is already extremely skilled. Maybe he doesn't have post repertoire of Okafor, but he is far from inept there, and also can contribute on the offensive end immediately with his shooting and passing.

Some people make it seem like Towns is another Tyson. They are just comparing his post game to Jah so it looks basic, which it is, but its already better than Tyson's ever was. Centers like Tyson can get 10+ ppg on junk baskets alone. You add Towns' post work, shooting, and passing and theres no reason he cant get to 20 ppg and 3-4 apg in a few years.

For a 19 year old center Towns is far from raw, and hes already pretty big at 250 pounds. His per minute and advanced stats are almost identical to the great NBA centers in college at the same stage, and hes barely a focal point on offense. People just think hes raw because he only plays 20-25 mpg and isnt being force fed every possession like Jah is.

Towns can come in and help this team right away across the board. Jah will help with scoring in the beginning but who knows about the other end. With Melo here we'd just have to believe Jah will concentrate on his all around game more, but I'd rather have what Towns brings now and in the future.

People aren't confident in Towns' post game because he hasn't shown it off against good competition at all. Other than his owning of Jon Horford all of his best games are against tiny teams. Imma run through all the teams he had 10+ against. Georgia has no players over 6-8, Auburn has no rotation players over 6-8, Eastern Kentucky has no players over 6-7, Texas-Arlington wasn't playing their only 6-10 player at the time the two teams met, Mizzou had one 6-10 player in their rotation but they're one of the worst teams in college ball and they were blown out so fast Towns didn't touch the floor with him(9-23, 3-15 in conference), and Ole Miss has no players over 6-9.

Of the remaining teams there's LSU, Louisville, Texas, Florida, and Providence. Like I said before he owns Jon Horford (Florida) and those were legit games against an NBA sized big where he looked good and he was a combined 15-30 (.500) which still isn't that amazing. Providence also has a 7-0 rotation player and Towns played him well offensively (that's actually one of the few games where he looked bad on D though). Against LSU, Louisville, and Texas he was under 50% from the field and a combined 11/25 (44%).

I'll need to see him play well against someone other than (his former teammate and practice buddy) Jon Horford and maybe I'll believe he can post up effectively in the league.

Good post. I didnt watch all those games you mentioned, but its hard to judge Towns that way because hes not featured like Jah is. I dont know what type of shots those were or if his team even needed him to dominate. Kentucky is just a weird team to evaluate players individually. Most of those games were in the beginning of the season when he was still finding his way too, so the tourney should tell us more.

Towns plays Bobby Portis today who is an NBA player even if they dont get matched up. Im not worried about his post game because seriously guys like Cole and Amundson score in the post for us. Once Towns adds a little more beef to his britches he'll be fine, especially when teams need to play the threat of his jumper.

One more thing Ill add. Playing with WCS and Lyles might be good for Towns on defense with all that size, but offensively their spacing seems a little suspect. If Towns played in a 4 out offense like Jah he'd have more room to operate. Whenever I watch him it seems like the lane is always clogged up.

[E-Balla]

Some people make it seem like Towns is another Tyson. They are just comparing his post game to Jah so it looks basic, which it is, but its already better than Tyson's ever was. Centers like Tyson can get 10+ ppg on junk baskets alone. You add Towns' post work, shooting, and passing and theres no reason he cant get to 20 ppg and 3-4 apg in a few years.

For a 19 year old center Towns is far from raw, and hes already pretty big at 250 pounds. His per minute and advanced stats are almost identical to the great NBA centers in college at the same stage, and hes barely a focal point on offense. People just think hes raw because he only plays 20-25 mpg and isnt being force fed every possession like Jah is.

Towns can come in and help this team right away across the board. Jah will help with scoring in the beginning but who knows about the other end. With Melo here we'd just have to believe Jah will concentrate on his all around game more, but I'd rather have what Towns brings now and in the future.

People aren't confident in Towns' post game because he hasn't shown it off against good competition at all. Other than his owning of Jon Horford all of his best games are against tiny teams. Imma run through all the teams he had 10+ against. Georgia has no players over 6-8, Auburn has no rotation players over 6-8, Eastern Kentucky has no players over 6-7, Texas-Arlington wasn't playing their only 6-10 player at the time the two teams met, Mizzou had one 6-10 player in their rotation but they're one of the worst teams in college ball and they were blown out so fast Towns didn't touch the floor with him(9-23, 3-15 in conference), and Ole Miss has no players over 6-9.

Of the remaining teams there's LSU, Louisville, Texas, Florida, and Providence. Like I said before he owns Jon Horford (Florida) and those were legit games against an NBA sized big where he looked good and he was a combined 15-30 (.500) which still isn't that amazing. Providence also has a 7-0 rotation player and Towns played him well offensively (that's actually one of the few games where he looked bad on D though). Against LSU, Louisville, and Texas he was under 50% from the field and a combined 11/25 (44%).

I'll need to see him play well against someone other than (his former teammate and practice buddy) Jon Horford and maybe I'll believe he can post up effectively in the league.

Good post. I didnt watch all those games you mentioned, but its hard to judge Towns that way because hes not featured like Jah is. I dont know what type of shots those were or if his team even needed him to dominate. Kentucky is just a weird team to evaluate players individually. Most of those games were in the beginning of the season when he was still finding his way too, so the tourney should tell us more.

Towns plays Bobby Portis today who is an NBA player even if they dont get matched up. Im not worried about his post game because seriously guys like Cole and Amundson score in the post for us. Once Towns adds a little more beef to his britches he'll be fine, especially when teams need to play the threat of his jumper.

One more thing Ill add. Playing with WCS and Lyles might be good for Towns on defense with all that size, but offensively their spacing seems a little suspect. If Towns played in a 4 out offense like Jah he'd have more room to operate. Whenever I watch him it seems like the lane is always clogged up.

Seriously? Both of those guys are terrible in the post. Cole is 38% on post ups (overall he's in the 22nd percentile) and Lou is in the 40th percentile both while having low attempts.

Now I agree that they have a ton of other options but if he was NBA level down low they wouldn't keep the ball from him when he played NBA sized bigs and he wouldn't underperforming against them as much as he does.

Not saying he can't improve but his NBA readyness right now is basically as a PNR option where he can get a running start towards the rim (for those athletic dunks), make the next pass to the open man, and hit jumpers from every spot on the floor. Outside of that and garbage buckets I don't see him contributing much offensively until he improves.

And you would be right in saying he plays in a clogged lane unlike Okafor is Okafor wasn't public enemy number one and getting constant double teams but yes he could be more effective with a team around him that can shoot.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

People aren't confident in Towns' post game because he hasn't shown it off against good competition at all. Other than his owning of Jon Horford all of his best games are against tiny teams. Imma run through all the teams he had 10+ against. Georgia has no players over 6-8, Auburn has no rotation players over 6-8, Eastern Kentucky has no players over 6-7, Texas-Arlington wasn't playing their only 6-10 player at the time the two teams met, Mizzou had one 6-10 player in their rotation but they're one of the worst teams in college ball and they were blown out so fast Towns didn't touch the floor with him(9-23, 3-15 in conference), and Ole Miss has no players over 6-9.

Of the remaining teams there's LSU, Louisville, Texas, Florida, and Providence. Like I said before he owns Jon Horford (Florida) and those were legit games against an NBA sized big where he looked good and he was a combined 15-30 (.500) which still isn't that amazing. Providence also has a 7-0 rotation player and Towns played him well offensively (that's actually one of the few games where he looked bad on D though). Against LSU, Louisville, and Texas he was under 50% from the field and a combined 11/25 (44%).

I'll need to see him play well against someone other than (his former teammate and practice buddy) Jon Horford and maybe I'll believe he can post up effectively in the league.

Good post. I didnt watch all those games you mentioned, but its hard to judge Towns that way because hes not featured like Jah is. I dont know what type of shots those were or if his team even needed him to dominate. Kentucky is just a weird team to evaluate players individually. Most of those games were in the beginning of the season when he was still finding his way too, so the tourney should tell us more.

Towns plays Bobby Portis today who is an NBA player even if they dont get matched up. Im not worried about his post game because seriously guys like Cole and Amundson score in the post for us. Once Towns adds a little more beef to his britches he'll be fine, especially when teams need to play the threat of his jumper.

One more thing Ill add. Playing with WCS and Lyles might be good for Towns on defense with all that size, but offensively their spacing seems a little suspect. If Towns played in a 4 out offense like Jah he'd have more room to operate. Whenever I watch him it seems like the lane is always clogged up.

Seriously? Both of those guys are terrible in the post. Cole is 38% on post ups (overall he's in the 22nd percentile) and Lou is in the 40th percentile both while having low attempts.

Now I agree that they have a ton of other options but if he was NBA level down low they wouldn't keep the ball from him when he played NBA sized bigs and he wouldn't underperforming against them as much as he does.

Not saying he can't improve but his NBA readyness right now is basically as a PNR option where he can get a running start towards the rim (for those athletic dunks), make the next pass to the open man, and hit jumpers from every spot on the floor. Outside of that and garbage buckets I don't see him contributing much offensively until he improves.

And you would be right in saying he plays in a clogged lane unlike Okafor is Okafor wasn't public enemy number one and getting constant double teams but yes he could be more effective with a team around him that can shoot.

What's your opinion on Russell? Do u think his game will translate to the NBA? I'd be ecstatic if the Knicks drafted him to run the triangle offense.

[E-Balla]

What's your opinion on Russell? Do u think his game will translate to the NBA? I'd be ecstatic if the Knicks drafted him to run the triangle offense.

He's a star. I get that he's way weaker than all other players with similar skills but he just makes his shots and can create. I never bet against anyone with an elite jumper, great handles, and great vision.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

What's your opinion on Russell? Do u think his game will translate to the NBA? I'd be ecstatic if the Knicks drafted him to run the triangle offense.

He's a star. I get that he's way weaker than all other players with similar skills but he just makes his shots and can create. I never bet against anyone with an elite jumper, great handles, and great vision.

I agree. I think that if he had even James Harden level athleticism he'd be my definitive #1 pick.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I don't think we could go wrong either way. Okafor will be a scoring maching in the post even in the nba, the guy is just to big and skilled. He reminds me of Brad Daughterly. We put Okafor with a defensive beast with carmelo and that would be great, we put towns with another player and melo that would be great also.

brad daugherty. good call. offensively, both were big and crafty. similar frames.

[E-Balla]

I don't think we could go wrong either way. Okafor will be a scoring maching in the post even in the nba, the guy is just to big and skilled. He reminds me of Brad Daughterly. We put Okafor with a defensive beast with carmelo and that would be great, we put towns with another player and melo that would be great also.

brad daugherty. good call. offensively, both were big and crafty. similar frames.

But Brad was soft, had a jumper, and could pass extremely well. If anything Towns is like Brad offensively.

[sol537]

if we get the #1 pick, I would not be surprised if we trade it down a bit for two lotto picks or one lotto and another high 1st rounder.

Might be the right move if Phil likes someone expected to go 3rd or 4th and if he can 'net a 8th or 9th in the process to help fill two needs. I think we should offer Shved a 3-year deal for around $11 mil and the 3rd year being a team option. Those are the type of bargain pieces (along with the draft picks) that we need to fill the team with so we can spend the big money of all-star vets.

[Jeff Van Gully]

I don't think we could go wrong either way. Okafor will be a scoring maching in the post even in the nba, the guy is just to big and skilled. He reminds me of Brad Daughterly. We put Okafor with a defensive beast with carmelo and that would be great, we put towns with another player and melo that would be great also.

brad daugherty. good call. offensively, both were big and crafty. similar frames.

But Brad was soft, had a jumper, and could pass extremely well. If anything Towns is like Brad offensively.

i just pointed out some similarities. they're obviously not the same guy.

and dougherty lacked a toughness that okafor seems to lack as well. both skilled bigs. okafor has nowhere near the jumper, but they do both pass well.

[Bklyn&company]

At this point im open to anyone of them except Mudiay... Mudiay has to prove his self first through the combine and private workouts.

1a) Okafor
1b) Towns
1c) Russell

2a) Kaminsky (yup this high, Phil likes smart seniors, that's consistent)
2b) Mudiay (Really has to prove himself and I believe Phil will not like him this high)
2c) S.Johnson
3a) Hezonja
3b) WCS
Etc...
I actually believe this draft is second thought to Free Agency for Phil in improving our team....he's more focus on improving the team through FA and he is looking to win.

Open to trading down with Philly for Two first and a player...

[blueNorange]

you draft Karl towns and that it, you tell everyone that their opinion is irrelevant and to shut up

[BallSacBounce]

Anyone find it hard for Towns to love the Knicks? I know Knicks are his local team, but most kids his age aren't even Knick fans because Knicks been so terrible the last 10-15 years. I figure most 16-20 years gave up on the Knicks. If Towns is a Knicks fan, props to him.

We ourselves know how draining following this team is.

Maybe his pops is a Knick fan

That's the reason I'm a knicks fan

Dad stuck me with being a Giants fan, I remember those 2-12 years long ago making fun of my Dad for following those losers, 4 SuperBowls later...

So it could still turn out alright.

For you maybe, the Knicks are a lost cause to me, not enough years left to make up for that amount of lost time.

Yeah I'm a tard. Just a stubborn tard.

[blanko]

Brad daughterly would destroy mark gasol and would be the best center in the game today.

[blanko]

The question is this: what is harder to find? A 7 foot skilled Low post scorer with vision or a 7 foot rebounder defender?