Marcus Smart is nothing special...why are yall so delusional?

[gammajamma]

Marketing is a powerful thing. It can make people believe ideas, buy merchandise, become addicts, and waste their time and hard earned money on materialistic wastes.

That being said, the Boston Celtics Business (not going to use the word franchise) is a business. But you see, marketers try separating this reality and would always use words like "franchise", "organization"' and "team".

Like most businesses, marketing plays a factor. In this case, the Celtics will obviously try marketing their products--which mainly are the players.

Marcus Smart is equivalent to a new product model that most businesses are. obviously going to try to market. But unlike a new phone to hit the streets, the development of Smart gives their customer (aka fans) base hope and they will do everything they can to make you believe that he is the "next celtics allstar".

But those who are not the Celtics customers and wouldn't be marketed so easily, will realize that Marcus Smart is just not that good and probably at best will be another Tony Allen. How do I know this? After numerous games of him doing nothing too great. No flashes of star material. Has he even had a 25pt game? Has he even recorded over 8assists? Over 10 rebounds?ì

If the Celts lost last night, a big reason would be because of him. He looked like garbage. Even Pressey looked better and I honestly think Pressey should be in the Dleague. Thats just sad.

Its amazing how so many of you could be so easily brainwashed in to thinking Smart is the future. Even Delonte West showed more potential when he first played with the Celts.

Smart has no shot, but apparently hes a defensive stopper, even though Orlando's Payton took him to school in the last two meetings with us.

With all that said, how many Orlando fans think Payton is there next young star? And how many other NBA fans who watched Smart play would really think hes the Celtics future? Probably not much at all.

So yes, everyone, please stop being brainwashed by marketing and getting your hopes up on this guy. He's nothing great and at best, will be as valuable as another Tony Allen.


And of course, I rather have Payton here than Smart. Would trade in a heart beat. Even if he cant shoot fts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0

[bceltic55]

I believe you are way off on Smart. He is a rookie and will make mistakes. He adds toughness and is not afraid to take a shot.

[ParticleMan]

please don't feed the troll.

marcus may have not have had his best game but anyone who doesn't recognize what marcus brings to the game beyond the box score is the very definition of ballboy.

[sully00]

Boston Celtics are 13-6 (13-9 overall) since putting Smart in the starting line up.
Orlando Magic are 11-27 (15-33) overall since reinserting Payton into the starting line up in Dec.

Boston was a lottery team and now looks like a playoff team. Orlando was in position to make the playoffs and now have fired their coach and are headed back to the lottery. I have no idea how Payton has impacted this don't watch the Magic much but I know that Smart has been key to Boston's transformation.

[goulardi]

Marketing is a powerful thing. It can make people believe ideas, buy merchandise, become addicts, and waste their time and hard earned money on materialistic wastes.

That being said, the Boston Celtics Business (not going to use the word franchise) is a business. But you see, marketers try separating this reality and would always use words like "franchise", "organization"' and "team".

Like most businesses, marketing plays a factor. In this case, the Celtics will obviously try marketing their products--which mainly are the players.

Marcus Smart is equivalent to a new product model that most businesses are. obviously going to try to market. But unlike a new phone to hit the streets, the development of Smart gives their customer (aka fans) base hope and they will do everything they can to make you believe that he is the "next celtics allstar".

But those who are not the Celtics customers and wouldn't be marketed so easily, will realize that Marcus Smart is just not that good and probably at best will be another Tony Allen. How do I know this? After numerous games of him doing nothing too great. No flashes of star material. Has he even had a 25pt game? Has he even recorded over 8assists? Over 10 rebounds?ì

If the Celts lost last night, a big reason would be because of him. He looked like garbage. Even Pressey looked better and I honestly think Pressey should be in the Dleague. Thats just sad.

Its amazing how so many of you could be so easily brainwashed in to thinking Smart is the future. Even Delonte West showed more potential when he first played with the Celts.

Smart has no shot, but apparently hes a defensive stopper, even though Orlando's Payton took him to school in the last two meetings with us.

With all that said, how many Orlando fans think Payton is there next young star? And how many other NBA fans who watched Smart play would really think hes the Celtics future? Probably not much at all.

So yes, everyone, please stop being brainwashed by marketing and getting your hopes up on this guy. He's nothing great and at best, will be as valuable as another Tony Allen.


And of course, I rather have Payton here than Smart. Would trade in a heart beat. Even if he cant shoot fts.

The Iphone was well marketed and it became an all star product.
I'm not sure that you know much about marketing nor basketball.

[return2glory]

Let's not make excuses for Smart. He has had 1 game (the Wizzards game), where you can say this kid is going to be special. Just one game folks.

Smart is an average shooter, average rebounder, average passer. He is below average at driving to the basket, below average at creating for his teammates, and below average at creating his own shot.

Smart is a good defender. He hussles and has good work ethic. He has a lot of improving to do.

I can see Smart working hard on a floater and doing a better job better to the basket. He will have a better understanding of the game and the game will slow down for him.I look for Smart to make a big jump next season.

[cl2117]

Let's not make excuses for Smart. He has had 1 game (the Wizzards game), where you can say this kid is going to be special. Just one game folks.

Smart is an average shooter, average rebounder, average passer. He is below average at driving to the basket, below average at creating for his teammates, and below average at creating his own shot.

Smart is a good defender. He hussles and has good work ethic. He has a lot of improving to do.

I can see Smart working hard on a floater and doing a better job better to the basket. He will have a better understanding of the game and the game will slow down for him.I look for Smart to make a big jump next season.

I think he's had a lot of games defensively where I've said "this kid is going to be special". You're right he's had very few complete performances where you could say that about him as a whole, but I think the point people are trying to make is that there is some hope offensively and when you combine that with his HUGE defensive upside there's plenty to be excited about.

If he can improve at all on offense in the next couple years he can be an important piece on a contender. If you have a guy with the kind of defensive skillset where he can put the handcuffs on a guy like James Harden and then not be a net negative on offense, I think you've got something fairly special there. Not a guy who is going to be your best or even second best player, but a guy who can really change the game for you. That's not nothing. He might not be Wiggins, but he's got plenty of value/potential, at least in my opinion.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Let's not make excuses for Smart. He has had 1 game (the Wizzards game), where you can say this kid is going to be special. Just one game folks.

Smart is an average shooter, average rebounder, average passer. He is below average at driving to the basket, below average at creating for his teammates, and below average at creating his own shot.

Smart is a good defender. He hussles and has good work ethic. He has a lot of improving to do.

I can see Smart working hard on a floater and doing a better job better to the basket. He will have a better understanding of the game and the game will slow down for him.I look for Smart to make a big jump next season.

I think he's had a lot of games defensively where I've said "this kid is going to be special". You're right he's had very few complete performances where you could say that about him as a whole, but I think the point people are trying to make is that there is some hope offensively and when you combine that with his HUGE defensive upside there's plenty to be excited about.

If he can improve at all on offense in the next couple years he can be an important piece on a contender. If you have a guy with the kind of defensive skillset where he can put the handcuffs on a guy like James Harden and then not be a net negative on offense, I think you've got something fairly special there. Not a guy who is going to be your best or even second best player, but a guy who can really change the game for you. That's not nothing. He might not be Wiggins, but he's got plenty of value/potential, at least in my opinion.

I think most everyone is pretty much in agreement in their regard for him on the defensive side. The differences of opinion are about how he projects on offense. To me, much of the disagreement about his offense stems from whether you're talking about learned/practiced skills (like shooting) vs innate physical ability (like beating your guy off the bounce) And, of course, whether you regard being able to penetrate and command help as essential for being a great PG. Without that ability, you're quite limited on the offensive side of the ball as a PG, imo.

[jmr07019]

Let's not make excuses for Smart. He has had 1 game (the Wizzards game), where you can say this kid is going to be special. Just one game folks.

Smart is an average shooter, average rebounder, average passer. He is below average at driving to the basket, below average at creating for his teammates, and below average at creating his own shot.

Smart is a good defender. He hussles and has good work ethic. He has a lot of improving to do.

I can see Smart working hard on a floater and doing a better job better to the basket. He will have a better understanding of the game and the game will slow down for him.I look for Smart to make a big jump next season.

I think he's had a lot of games defensively where I've said "this kid is going to be special". You're right he's had very few complete performances where you could say that about him as a whole, but I think the point people are trying to make is that there is some hope offensively and when you combine that with his HUGE defensive upside there's plenty to be excited about.

If he can improve at all on offense in the next couple years he can be an important piece on a contender. If you have a guy with the kind of defensive skillset where he can put the handcuffs on a guy like James Harden and then not be a net negative on offense, I think you've got something fairly special there. Not a guy who is going to be your best or even second best player, but a guy who can really change the game for you. That's not nothing. He might not be Wiggins, but he's got plenty of value/potential, at least in my opinion.

I think most everyone is pretty much in agreement in their regard for him on the defensive side. The differences of opinion are about how he projects on offense. To me, much of the disagreement about his offense stems from whether you're talking about learned/practiced skills (like shooting) vs innate physical ability (like beating your guy off the bounce) And, of course, whether you regard being able to penetrate and command help as essential for being a great PG. Without that ability, you're quite limited on the offensive side of the ball as a PG, imo.

Physical ability is certainly a large part of beating a guy off the dribble but not all of it. Marcus is never going to be a guy who gets into the lane at will but he can get better. Bradley has improved a great deal as a ball handler and at driving to the basket, Marcus can too.

[Goudelock]

I would think that Smart could just bulldoze his way into the lane Lebron-style. He built like a freaking tank!
Anyway, for the fans who think that Smart is disappointing, all I can say is that I'd trade any player on the Lakers for him (with the exception of Randle).

[tlee324]

Payton's good, but I'm cool with having a Rondo clone. We saw last night that he's ineffective when the defense just sags off him and dares him to shoot. I hope we never have to deal with a guy like that again.

As for Smart, he's going to be our MKG. He'll help us win games but his stats will be crap. He's not going to be a star but he's going to be a good player.

Good post, I really agree with all of this.

[GuyClinch]

Smart is an average shooter, average rebounder, average passer. He is below average at driving to the basket, below average at creating for his teammates, and below average at creating his own shot.

This seems somewhat inaccurate.

Smart is at 6.4 assist/6.4 rebounds per 100 poss. Bradley our other combo guard is at 2.6 assist/4.7 rebounds. Throw in Marcus 2.6 steals per 100 posessions and we can see the makings of a pretty versatile player. It's too bad he has sucked on offense - outside of okay 3 point shooting..

As long as Marcus recognizes that his **** offense is not acceptable - I am okay about his future. But if he goes all Rondo on us and decides to 'focus' only on intangibles instead of turning into a Westbrook - I will be ticked off..

[ParticleMan]

i don't know that he will ever be anything close to westbrook offensively, but it's encouraging that he is definitely not afraid to shoot.

he's decent at 3's and i notice that it's because his mechanics are quite repeatable from out there. but when he gets in the lane, he tends to drift and contort when shooting instead of going up strong with good body control. he's obviously focused on remaking his outside shot and it is now passable, but now he needs to get the same focus on having better body control on his drives instead of lunging and drifting. he lacks elite quickness but we've seen guys like sherman douglas be effective because they have great body control and knew how to create space with a big (for a guard) body.

[ryaningf]

Boston Celtics are 13-6 (13-9 overall) since putting Smart in the starting line up.
Orlando Magic are 11-27 (15-33) overall since reinserting Payton into the starting line up in Dec.

Boston was a lottery team and now looks like a playoff team. Orlando was in position to make the playoffs and now have fired their coach and are headed back to the lottery. I have no idea how Payton has impacted this don't watch the Magic much but I know that Smart has been key to Boston's transformation.

Smart is fine and this thread is a joke but let's not sleep on Payton 'cause his team sucks. Fact is, Smart has better teammates and a much better coach and organization to play for and that's why his team is winning now. Smart does so much that doesn't get counted by stats but does lead to wins and if there's anything that means being a Celtic and being a Celtic fan it's about understanding it's about the latter not the former.

That said, Payton is an actual PG and can get to the rim at will and he's going to be a force for years to come and will probably get more accolades and AS game nods than Smart. He's flashier, prettier, and he's gonna put up bigger better #s. Whether you want to run your team around an actual PG (and not a shooting guard who can handle the ball and run offense), that's the real crux behind a dumb debate about #s and AS nods. True PGs as are rare as true centers and building a team around that is fraught with lots of dangers these days, namely that making 14 guys dependent on 1 guy's brilliance is a slim margin of error. Personally, speaking as a guy who still plays, there's nothing sweeter than playing with a true point, but as a guy tasked with building a team, you gotta understand that nowadays there are simply more opportunities to build good teams around ball and player movement (like we're doing) than around one great PG because there are many more players available who can play in the latter situation but not the former. Which is why Danny moved on from Rondo and passed on Payton (even though Payton is a "better" player than Smart, it's easier to construct a winner with Smart's skillset than it is with Payton's).

[TruthBucket]

yeah yall!! Yall is dum. Why yall dum?

[KamikazeK]

Since Smart got here he has been defending well, making smart plays, and knocking down 3-point shots in the fourth quarter. He's already miles beyond what Bradley was early on in his career, and he seems like a hard worker to boot. How anyone could think this kid for sure will never be great is beyond me. Maybe they just like listening to themselves talk.

[humblebum]

Payton being better than Smart is a joke. Better at driving to the basket. I don't think there is anything else he really does at a higher level, higher usage sure, but higher talent? Nah. And frankly, Payton is already a guy who's a complete liability when he doesn't have the ball in his hands.

The Celtics are poised to build a contender around Smart's leadership in the near future. His offensive game will continue to grow in baby step fashion and at his peak performance he'll be scoring a rock solid 14-17 ppg and be a recognized "clutch" performer.

Payton will put up stats on bad teams for a few years and then no one will talk about him anymore, except to lament how he never learned how to shoot a basketball.

Smart hasn't even begun to explore his own offense.

[Slartibartfast]

Smart is an average shooter, average rebounder, average passer. He is below average at driving to the basket, below average at creating for his teammates, and below average at creating his own shot.

This seems somewhat inaccurate.

Smart is at 6.4 assist/6.4 rebounds per 100 poss. Bradley our other combo guard is at 2.6 assist/4.7 rebounds. Throw in Marcus 2.6 steals per 100 posessions and we can see the makings of a pretty versatile player. It's too bad he has sucked on offense - outside of okay 3 point shooting..

As long as Marcus recognizes that his **** offense is not acceptable - I am okay about his future. But if he goes all Rondo on us and decides to 'focus' only on intangibles instead of turning into a Westbrook - I will be ticked off..

Anybody looks versatile compared to AB, unfortunately.

And I want Marcus to learn how to play the Westbrook bull in a china shop game too, but the mentality doesn't seem to be there. He doesn't have the enormous self-confidence as a slasher and finisher (and he obviously doesn't have the jets either).

I think we're looking at a bigger, stronger Derek Fisher. A guy any championship team would love, but not a star.

[Bluewhale]

IMHO, there is no way Smart could learn from Westbrook, who is much more explosive than Smart.

Smart should learn from Billups/Conley/Lowry, even Smart is bigger and stronger.

How to check the explosiveness? I think the number of DUNK is a good indicator

Marcus Smart dunk only 4 times up to now. That is incredible low number.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... tma01.html

Westbrook made 59 dunks as a rookie.
Harden made 25 dunks as a rookie.

Marcus Smart will be a good player as Billups. He is just not the type of Westbrook.

[TruthBucket]

This thread is getting WAY off topic. The OP stated a truth. We'all so delusional....BUT WHY?

I guess Ill lead off:

Honestly, Im just f***ing dumb, I guess. Where should I go if Id like to know more about business and marketing?