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Post#161 » by Ruzious » Sat Mar 14, 2015 10:07 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Smo and Layman playing together means no interior defense and no rebounding.


Ruzious, you beat me to it.

Layman disappointed the heck out of me. He and Smotryz were flat-footed on defense. They caused two or three of Dodd's fouls by failing to cover their man. Their defense was lousy. Dodd fouled trying to stop guys at the rim who Layman and Smotryz should have been checking.


One of them took a horrible 10 ft shot--neither Wells nor Trimble touched the ball, and nobody was in position to rebound. That quick shot and miss led to the break away and subsequent flagrant foul, yet another dumb play. I am glad Smotryz will graduate. He is not a good player.

Aside from that, it was a sweet first half. It's hard to beat the same team three straight.

I hope the Spartans end up in Maryland’s bracket. Despite the loss I think Maryland is the better team.

Yeah, Dodd had to make up for Layman's mistakes and Smo's slow feet. He had no chance.

The good thing is next season - if they get Diamond Stone to go with Robert Carter, that's 2 big wide-bodies - and Layman can go back to small forward. Stone and Carter are more offensive than defensive players, but they still have to be an improvement defensively over Smo and PF Layman.
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Post#162 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Mar 14, 2015 11:23 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Smo and Layman playing together means no interior defense and no rebounding.


Ruzious, you beat me to it.

Layman disappointed the heck out of me. He and Smotryz were flat-footed on defense. They caused two or three of Dodd's fouls by failing to cover their man. Their defense was lousy. Dodd fouled trying to stop guys at the rim who Layman and Smotryz should have been checking.


One of them took a horrible 10 ft shot--neither Wells nor Trimble touched the ball, and nobody was in position to rebound. That quick shot and miss led to the break away and subsequent flagrant foul, yet another dumb play. I am glad Smotryz will graduate. He is not a good player.

Aside from that, it was a sweet first half. It's hard to beat the same team three straight.

I hope the Spartans end up in Maryland’s bracket. Despite the loss I think Maryland is the better team.


Maryland was due to lose. I don't blame it on Smot, because he sucks. He's got no talent and shouldn't be playing meaningful minutes. Turge got a lot from a team this year with no post play. Dodd is a clumsy foul machine, Cekovsky is green as grass and Graham is undersized with not great hands. Layman is really a small forward he moved to the 4 because he had no other choice. He's weak but my bigger problem with Layman is he has no game. No dribble drive. No real post up unless he plays the 3 and his jump shot has left him. He's the bigger disappointment than Smot, who has no athletic ability. At least he tries and has heart. Layman has none.

As for this team, they'll go as far as Wells can take them. As good as Trimble is, if he's not getting the calls going to the basket, he can't explode by or over people. He's more quick than fast. Love him but the more you see him, the more you see the weaknesses (defense). I've probably watched him 20 times this year. Wells has impressed me but he's not a great shooter. When teams take away the drive and Izzo is a great coach, he's not as effective.

But as a fan for 40 years, I'm hopeful that this team can get a good draw and get to the Sweet 16. That would be fine for a team with a hole in the middle. That will change next year with Robert Carter coming in from Georgia Tech. He's a beast and that will open up for Trimble, Nickens, Wiley and Layman.


Great post, 80sballboy.

I agree with you on Smotryz. He gives you what he's got. I am not blaming him for the loss.

Also, I agree with you on Turgeon. This coaching staff has gotten the most out of a team that I can ever recall. Turgeon has quieted his critics. With Carter coming up the future looks bright.

80s, once again, l agree with you this time on Melo Trimble. He doesn't go over or by people. He generally crosses them up with a very quick move and once he has them off balance, Melo creates contact with his dribble drive. The secrets to his success are his handle and his strong shoulders. He kind of plows through people at this level.

I wonder how Melo's skillset will translate to the next level?

80sballboy, it was around 1974 when my dad took me to watch my first Maryland game. John Lucas, Tom McMillan, Len Elmore, Mo Howard, Tom Roy, the late Owen Brown, and Jap Trimble (Is he related to Romelo?) were all playing for Lefty Driesell. I'm also a 40 - year fan. This is as enjoyable as any time other than the Final Four and championship teams of 2001 and 2002.

This team is not nearly as talented but it plays really well together. I hope they do get a good NCAA draw. I expect they're going to be a #4 seed.
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Post#163 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:09 pm

Maryland got screwed.

Four seed in Kentucky's bracket. Notre Dame and Kansas at 3 and 2 seeds.

All I hope is for them to face Kentucky.
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Post#164 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:30 pm

Maryland beat Iowa State, has a better record than Iowa State. ..but the Cyclones are a 3 seed in an easier bracket.

Oklahoma has 10 losses and they got a 3 seed.

Duke gets a 1 seed in a weak bracket. Notre Dame is the 3 seed in Maryland’s bracket.

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Post#165 » by Wizardspride » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:48 pm

Now look at the reaction. They know they were screwed. :nonono:

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Post#166 » by FAH1223 » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:00 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Maryland beat Iowa State, has a better record than Iowa State. ..but the Cyclones are a 3 seed in an easier bracket.

Oklahoma has 10 losses and they got a 3 seed.

Duke gets a 1 seed in a weak bracket. Notre Dame is the 3 seed in Maryland’s bracket.

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Post#167 » by 80sballboy » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:53 pm

Stop it. Iowa State won the Big 12 Tournament, Maryland didn't get to the Finals in the Big 10 Trny. Now Oklahoma is another story. They had a 19 RPI and should be 4th seed. Should have been a 3, Georgetown was lucky to be a 4. Oh well, Of course, they are in Kentucky's bracket.
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Post#168 » by 80sballboy » Sun Mar 15, 2015 11:56 pm

If Maryland thinks they were screwed, take it out on Valpo and then WVa/Buffalo. Tough to win eight straight games in the Big 10, finish second and get a 4th seed. Beat Wisconsin, Iowa State, Oklahoma State, Michigan State twice. If they only had a quality big...
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Post#169 » by 80sballboy » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:03 am

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Ruzious, you beat me to it.

Layman disappointed the heck out of me. He and Smotryz were flat-footed on defense. They caused two or three of Dodd's fouls by failing to cover their man. Their defense was lousy. Dodd fouled trying to stop guys at the rim who Layman and Smotryz should have been checking.


One of them took a horrible 10 ft shot--neither Wells nor Trimble touched the ball, and nobody was in position to rebound. That quick shot and miss led to the break away and subsequent flagrant foul, yet another dumb play. I am glad Smotryz will graduate. He is not a good player.

Aside from that, it was a sweet first half. It's hard to beat the same team three straight.

I hope the Spartans end up in Maryland’s bracket. Despite the loss I think Maryland is the better team.


Maryland was due to lose. I don't blame it on Smot, because he sucks. He's got no talent and shouldn't be playing meaningful minutes. Turge got a lot from a team this year with no post play. Dodd is a clumsy foul machine, Cekovsky is green as grass and Graham is undersized with not great hands. Layman is really a small forward he moved to the 4 because he had no other choice. He's weak but my bigger problem with Layman is he has no game. No dribble drive. No real post up unless he plays the 3 and his jump shot has left him. He's the bigger disappointment than Smot, who has no athletic ability. At least he tries and has heart. Layman has none.

As for this team, they'll go as far as Wells can take them. As good as Trimble is, if he's not getting the calls going to the basket, he can't explode by or over people. He's more quick than fast. Love him but the more you see him, the more you see the weaknesses (defense). I've probably watched him 20 times this year. Wells has impressed me but he's not a great shooter. When teams take away the drive and Izzo is a great coach, he's not as effective.

But as a fan for 40 years, I'm hopeful that this team can get a good draw and get to the Sweet 16. That would be fine for a team with a hole in the middle. That will change next year with Robert Carter coming in from Georgia Tech. He's a beast and that will open up for Trimble, Nickens, Wiley and Layman.


Great post, 80sballboy.

I agree with you on Smotryz. He gives you what he's got. I am not blaming him for the loss.

Also, I agree with you on Turgeon. This coaching staff has gotten the most out of a team that I can ever recall. Turgeon has quieted his critics. With Carter coming up the future looks bright.

80s, once again, l agree with you this time on Melo Trimble. He doesn't go over or by people. He generally crosses them up with a very quick move and once he has them off balance, Melo creates contact with his dribble drive. The secrets to his success are his handle and his strong shoulders. He kind of plows through people at this level.

I wonder how Melo's skillset will translate to the next level?

80sballboy, it was around 1974 when my dad took me to watch my first Maryland game. John Lucas, Tom McMillan, Len Elmore, Mo Howard, Tom Roy, the late Owen Brown, and Jap Trimble (Is he related to Romelo?) were all playing for Lefty Driesell. I'm also a 40 - year fan. This is as enjoyable as any time other than the Final Four and championship teams of 2001 and 2002.

This team is not nearly as talented but it plays really well together. I hope they do get a good NCAA draw. I expect they're going to be a #4 seed.


I don't think Jap Trimble is related to Melo. I don't remember his teams but do remember Mo Howard, Lucas, Brad Davis, Bear Sheppard, right before they got Albert King, Buck, Elmore and Greg Manning. That's my earliest memory of the Terps. I'll never forget going to Cole and watching how crappy Pete Holbert was with his Larry Bird hair and how Lefty couldn't use Brian Magid, who lit it up at GW. Lefty couldn't find a point guard to run those great Maryland teams and imagine if they had a center to play with Buck although Ernie wouldn't have been happy coming off the bench behind Albert. Ernie was pissed that they recruited Albert to play the 3 because that moved Ernie to the 5. He held a grudge for about 25 years and Baltimore didn't send a player to Md due to Ernie and the Bob Wade situation. And now his son is playing for the Terps.
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Post#170 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Mar 16, 2015 12:52 am

I remember every one of those guys. Magid had a really pure shot. Ernie Graham was built just like Anthony Bennett. Very explosive scorer. Manning didn't make it in the NBA, (IIRC he was drafted by the Bulls in the same draft as Michael Jordan), but IMO he was even better than Steve Blake. Not as tall or as feisty on defense, but a much better scorer and a decent distributor.
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Post#171 » by Wizardspride » Tue Mar 17, 2015 3:12 am

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Post#172 » by 80sballboy » Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:19 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I remember every one of those guys. Magid had a really pure shot. Ernie Graham was built just like Anthony Bennett. Very explosive scorer. Manning didn't make it in the NBA, (IIRC he was drafted by the Bulls in the same draft as Michael Jordan), but IMO he was even better than Steve Blake. Not as tall or as feisty on defense, but a much better scorer and a decent distributor.


Manning was a 6-1 shooting guard. Blake is a 6-3 point. Amazing that he's still playing and throwing up some bricks for Portland last night. But he's lasted a long time because he can control a game and used to be pretty good defensively. I sort of compare his pro career to Brad Davis, who was much faster though out of control at times.
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Post#173 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 18, 2015 5:33 am

Brad Davis was a skilled combo guard. He could score and distribute. Better player than Manning or Blake IMO. Davis was a really good athlete and at least an average NBA player IMO.

Davis did everything full speed.
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Post#174 » by Ruzious » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:05 am

Brad was fun to watch back in the day. He was so highly heralded for his ball-handling and play-making skills coming to MD that Lefty moved superstar player John Lucas off the ball to accommodate Davis "precocious" talents.
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Post#175 » by Higga » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:53 pm

Maryland could give Kentucky a game. They could also lose to Valparaiso. I'm not 100% confident in them. They won a lot of close games against really bad teams.
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Post#176 » by Dat2U » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:37 pm

Looking at it objectively, I think the Terps lose by 8-10 points to Valparaiso. Valpo does a real good job defending the perimeter and limiting guard penetration which is Maryland's strength. They worrying about Kentucky, but they got a real bad matchup... in their first game.
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Post#177 » by Ruzious » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:56 pm

I think MD's sorta built for the tournament - strong backcourt play and good 3 point shooting - and a senior leader in Wells. I'm feeling good about their chances in rounds 1 and 2. I want to see them play Kentucky!
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Post#178 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:44 pm

Dat2U wrote:Looking at it objectively, I think the Terps lose by 8-10 points to Valparaiso. Valpo does a real good job defending the perimeter and limiting guard penetration which is Maryland's strength. They worrying about Kentucky, but they got a real bad matchup... in their first game.


Agreed.

Their second game would be no cakewalk between Buffalo or WV.

I am worried the committee will be proven right, and Maryland will exit early, even before Kentucky.

Regardless, I only filled out one bracket. Maryland is precisely the kind of team that can beat Kentucky. Strong guard play. Huge margin of favorable free throw shooting. Three fifth - year seniors. Tend to win close games. Played a tougher schedule than Kentucky by a lot. Already beat Wisconsin. Two wins over Michigan State. Beat Iowa State and Oklahoma State, teams that beat Kansas. And even grudge motivation to beat the Harrison twins works for MD.

In my only bracket I have the Terps defeating Kentucky but losing to Notre Dame.

I feel very strongly that Kentucky will not win the title. Soft schedule. Overtime games with Ole Miss and Texas A&M. Tight games with Columbia, Buffalo, Auburn, and Florida--all lead me to conclude the Wildcats are going to be defeated.

If the Terps get them they will beat them by more than 5 points.
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Post#179 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:46 pm

Ruzious wrote:I think MD's sorta built for the tournament - strong backcourt play and good 3 point shooting - and a senior leader in Wells. I'm feeling good about their chances in rounds 1 and 2. I want to see them play Kentucky!


Ruzious, you and I both want to see that game.

If I could get to Vegas I would put money on the Terps.
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Post#180 » by Wizardspride » Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:55 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Looking at it objectively, I think the Terps lose by 8-10 points to Valparaiso. Valpo does a real good job defending the perimeter and limiting guard penetration which is Maryland's strength. They worrying about Kentucky, but they got a real bad matchup... in their first game.


Agreed.

Their second game would be no cakewalk between Buffalo or WV.

I am worried the committee will be proven right, and Maryland will exit early, even before Kentucky.

Regardless, I only filled out one bracket. Maryland is precisely the kind of team that can beat Kentucky. Strong guard play. Huge margin of favorable free throw shooting. Three fifth - year seniors. Tend to win close games. Played a tougher schedule than Kentucky by a lot. Already beat Wisconsin. Two wins over Michigan State. Beat Iowa State and Oklahoma State, teams that beat Kansas. And even grudge motivation to beat the Harrison twins works for MD.

In my only bracket I have the Terps defeating Kentucky but losing to Notre Dame.

I feel very strongly that Kentucky will not win the title. Soft schedule. Overtime games with Ole Miss and Texas A&M. Tight games with Columbia, Buffalo, Auburn, and Florida--all lead me to conclude the Wildcats are going to be defeated.

If the Terps get them they will beat them by more than 5 points.

Spot on CCJ.

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