2013 Draft: Ranking by Trade Value: Top 10 done.

[saintEscaton]

The thing is, I definitely don't think I'd vote this way if it were best players, I just don't see any other guys here who'd get that Lakers pick in a trade.

We gave up the Lakers pick in a 3-team deal to net Brandon Knight. So I dont see how it directly gauges MCW's value as a trade asset.

Philly's involvement was solely as a MCW for Laker pick. From Milwaukee's side, it was basically an entirely separate deal folded in, with the pick (part of the return for Knight, along with Ennis and Plumlee) flipped directly for MCW.

It was a single deal I believe

[Trader_Joe]

If stats are incomplete without things like DBPM, (hypocrite says the OTHER guy is "cherry picking!"), then you better go accuse Trader Joe of having an agenda every year too. When he has posted stats for most of our Top 25 Trade Polls over the years, he neglects this important stat. Heck, you better make that attack against 98% of REALGM posters.

Where is your consistency? Where are the attacks about agenda? Will you say "maybe he doesn't know skipping defensive stats for a center are absurd?"

The emperor has no clothes when he is calling vital stats like rebounds and points as "cherry-picking," then he runs off to less common websites to find rarer stats that supports a player on his favorite team. That's complete hypocrisy.

I usually don't post stats as there are too many to list, posters prefer a wide variety of them and I'd rather let people choose their own. Also, there are many other factors that hard to quantify such as injury, marketing and intangibles that don't show up in statistics. Stats are the major determinant of trade value, but not the only.

[Trader_Joe]

We gave up the Lakers pick in a 3-team deal to net Brandon Knight. So I dont see how it directly gauges MCW's value as a trade asset.

Philly's involvement was solely as a MCW for Laker pick. From Milwaukee's side, it was basically an entirely separate deal folded in, with the pick (part of the return for Knight, along with Ennis and Plumlee) flipped directly for MCW.

It was a single deal I believe

MCW netted the Sixer's the Lakers #1 so of course it says something about his trade value.

[Texas Chuck]

Pretty low class to fold a cheap shot in at Trader Joe who had nothing to do with the back and forth discussion.

Let's all aim for a little bit higher level discourse here. I'm afraid we have some really solid posters letting some past personal issues affect the way they are posting itt and its disappointing to see.

[HawaiianJazzFan]

Being a Magic fan, I'd only take Giannis over Oladipo, hoping he turns his potential into something. There is absolutely no way I'd take one of Gobert or Noel for Oladipo, not a chance..

Oladipo over Gobert??? Oladipo would be the 4th best player on the Jazz. I could see a case for Giannis having higher trade value than Gobert but I wouldn't trade Gobert for Vucevic, Oladipo, and their 2015 pick. Gobert's defensive rating since the all star break is 85, the best season ever was like 87. Ever since Kanter was traded and the starting job has been his, Gobert is averaging:
10.5 ppg
14.5 rpg
3.0 bpg
1.0 spg
1.7 apg
58 FG%
65 FT%
The Jazz are 10-2 in that stretch (wins over Portland, San Antonio, Memphis, Houston, and Milwaukee) and have played BY FAR the best defense in the NBA with Gobert as the starter, after being the worst defensive team last year. His advanced defensive stats are pretty ridiculous, but basically you can't score in the paint when he is in the game as he is the number 1 rim protector and if he is within 5 feet of you shooting he is only behind Bogut as a defender.

[HawaiianJazzFan]

As for this poll it was tough for me, I'd give Len the slight advantage over Adams, but as a fellow polynesian I voted for Adams.

[Viper1500]

Being a Magic fan, I'd only take Giannis over Oladipo, hoping he turns his potential into something. There is absolutely no way I'd take one of Gobert or Noel for Oladipo, not a chance..

Oladipo over Gobert??? Oladipo would be the 4th best player on the Jazz. I could see a case for Giannis having higher trade value than Gobert but I wouldn't trade Gobert for Vucevic, Oladipo, and their 2015 pick. Gobert's defensive rating since the all star break is 85, the best season ever was like 87. Ever since Kanter was traded and the starting job has been his, Gobert is averaging:
10.5 ppg
14.5 rpg
3.0 bpg
1.0 spg
1.7 apg
58 FG%
65 FT%
The Jazz are 10-2 in that stretch (wins over Portland, San Antonio, Memphis, Houston, and Milwaukee) and have played BY FAR the best defense in the NBA with Gobert as the starter, after being the worst defensive team last year. His advanced defensive stats are pretty ridiculous, but basically you can't score in the paint when he is in the game as he is the number 1 rim protector and if he is within 5 feet of you shooting he is only behind Bogut as a defender.

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[HawaiianJazzFan]

Being a Magic fan, I'd only take Giannis over Oladipo, hoping he turns his potential into something. There is absolutely no way I'd take one of Gobert or Noel for Oladipo, not a chance..

Oladipo over Gobert??? Oladipo would be the 4th best player on the Jazz. I could see a case for Giannis having higher trade value than Gobert but I wouldn't trade Gobert for Vucevic, Oladipo, and their 2015 pick. Gobert's defensive rating since the all star break is 85, the best season ever was like 87. Ever since Kanter was traded and the starting job has been his, Gobert is averaging:
10.5 ppg
14.5 rpg
3.0 bpg
1.0 spg
1.7 apg
58 FG%
65 FT%
The Jazz are 10-2 in that stretch (wins over Portland, San Antonio, Memphis, Houston, and Milwaukee) and have played BY FAR the best defense in the NBA with Gobert as the starter, after being the worst defensive team last year. His advanced defensive stats are pretty ridiculous, but basically you can't score in the paint when he is in the game as he is the number 1 rim protector and if he is within 5 feet of you shooting he is only behind Bogut as a defender.

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I would say maybe 20% of Jazz fans wouldn't trade Gobert for Anthony Davis. Davis, Durant, Lebron, Westbrook, and Curry are about the only players I'd trade him for... being honest. He is the only untouchable player on our team. Gobert is having a Mutombo like impact defensively at the age of 22.

[Viper1500]

Oladipo over Gobert??? Oladipo would be the 4th best player on the Jazz. I could see a case for Giannis having higher trade value than Gobert but I wouldn't trade Gobert for Vucevic, Oladipo, and their 2015 pick. Gobert's defensive rating since the all star break is 85, the best season ever was like 87. Ever since Kanter was traded and the starting job has been his, Gobert is averaging:
10.5 ppg
14.5 rpg
3.0 bpg
1.0 spg
1.7 apg
58 FG%
65 FT%
The Jazz are 10-2 in that stretch (wins over Portland, San Antonio, Memphis, Houston, and Milwaukee) and have played BY FAR the best defense in the NBA with Gobert as the starter, after being the worst defensive team last year. His advanced defensive stats are pretty ridiculous, but basically you can't score in the paint when he is in the game as he is the number 1 rim protector and if he is within 5 feet of you shooting he is only behind Bogut as a defender.

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I would say maybe 20% of Jazz fans wouldn't trade Gobert for Anthony Davis.

Jesus, I have never seen a more overrated player in my life.

[bondom34]

We gave up the Lakers pick in a 3-team deal to net Brandon Knight. So I dont see how it directly gauges MCW's value as a trade asset.

Philly's involvement was solely as a MCW for Laker pick. From Milwaukee's side, it was basically an entirely separate deal folded in, with the pick (part of the return for Knight, along with Ennis and Plumlee) flipped directly for MCW.

It was a single deal I believe

As he said though, Philly got the pick for just him alone, which is what I'm using to gauge his value.

[loserX]

I would say maybe 20% of Jazz fans wouldn't trade Gobert for Anthony Davis.

As a Utah fan, I can assure the general populace that those people are insane.

I am reminded of an incident a few years back where two particularly stubborn Warriors fans insisted that they wouldn't trade their centre (a young 7-footer who could indeed block shots and rebound like nobody's business) for any Utah package, including prime Deron PLUS prime Boozer.

That valuation was, of course, completely absurd, and even the rest of the Warrior fans on this board called them out on it. (And for the record, Utah eventually did acquire that player. His name is Andris Biedrins.)

Let's not succumb to "prospect madness", please. When we see our fans call guys like Gobert untouchable for top-3 players in the league, let's not fall for it, and let's not cite their preposterous opinions to support our arguments.

[HartfordWhalers]

Zeller 1
Len 10
Mclemore 3
Adams 9
MCW 12
Shabazz 4
Schroeder 7
Dieng 6
Plumlee 0
Other: ______ 1

Its so close, but I'm giving this formally to MCW and resetting for 6th.

Adding KCP? I guess, Olynyk, Porter, could be anyone next.

[loserX]

Well, I was struggling between Len and MCW before, so with one of them off the board this round got a lot easier...

[bondom34]

I'm sticking w/ Adams here. He's as good as Len to me, or close enough, with no injury worries.

[Texas Chuck]

Personally I value Schroeder more than anyone else left, but I imagine Len or Adams has more value. I'll go with Len begrudgingly based on the idea of his higher potential, but count me as one who thinks Adams has teh better career.

[H2tObes]

You know, the 2013 draft actually seems pretty good when you look at it now.

Dennis is my vote. Best basketball player of all the options left imo

[Dcebucks11]

i would go shabazz, than

schroeder
len
Adams

[Texas Chuck]

I would love it if one or more of the 6 Dieng votes explained it itt. What separates him from the other bigs in your opinion?

[H2tObes]

Why is Len getting so many votes? His numbers aren't impressive at all..is there something I am missing with him? Havent watched him play much

[HartfordWhalers]

Why is Len getting so many votes? His numbers aren't impressive at all..is there something I am missing with him? Havent watched him play much

55% TS% and 1.5 blocks per game. He has big size, and uses it. I voted him. That said, I read Chucks post and agreed 100%. I expect both Adams and Schroeder to have better careers, just not sure enough others do to make the trade value match that personal bias.

Those 3 are my next 3 in some order.

In terms of Dieng, I see him worthy of top 10. But age and defense scare me off that next len/adams tier. I think the Shabazz Dieng who has more trade value is an fascinating sub question, I would be voting for Shabazz first.