THE Aaron Gordon thread

drsd · Post #121 » by **drsd** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:09 pm

It is Vučević' WOW that makes this truly interesting.

OrlandO wrote:

KillMonger · Post #122 » by **KillMonger** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 4:12 pm

naw man Vuc was turned up on that play he was saying LETS GO.....but i digress, when it comes to expectations realistically. I think Faried/Marion is close to what i expect from AG

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpaeh-7DGqA[/youtube]

A whole lot of that with ball-handling and passing, the defense speaks for itself. Honestly though i got half a mind to say that he can do what Faried is doing right now it would be just a question of minutes and usage for AG. I mean it's obvious to ME that we should be using AG in pick and rolls more so my brain is fried trying to think why NBA coaches don't see that, i mean we rarely use him in the pick and roll. Either way it'll come with time, regardless of where you stand on AG what is undeniable is the raw talent but i think where the difference lie with AG is the IQ and the work ethic is right up there with the raw talent. I mean you have someone like Javale Mcgee and J.R Smith who has all the raw talent but no IQ so he could never take his game to the next level. We will see with AG, i'm excited to see where we take him.....just got to get him more minutes though

ezzzp · Post #123 » by **ezzzp** » Sat Mar 14, 2015 8:00 pm

old news that sounds a lot like many on this thread...

http://www.nbadraft.net/top-5-overrated-prospects

Aaron Gordon, PF Arizona

The Aaron Gordon mythical hype train continues to gather momentum. The athletic testing environment was Gordon’ sanctuary and he tested brilliantly: 39’ max vertical, 10.81 lane agility and 2.76 shuttle run. he also played in the perfect system, Arizona's, to showcase his strengths and mask his weaknesses. He’s an elite level leaper and covers ground quickly. But comparisons to a Blake Griffin/Shawn Marion hybrid are out of control. He’s 6’9 220 (6’11 wingspan) with a narrow frame, it's questionable just how much bulk he can add without decreasing his mobility, not to mention his limited overall skill level. Playing fast is Gordon’s calling card, but his inability to “slow down” on his jumpshot and his subsequent lack of touch are crippling. He’s an undersized 4-man with extraordinary defensive potential behind a filled out frame. He also showed surprising passing ability. Gordon is still only 18 and the youngest player in the draft, which has added to the media intrigue. He's extremely focused and will probably end up being a solid role player, but is that worthy of a top 8-10 pick in such a strong draft?

He's already improved his 3pt and FT shooting substantially and his passing and floor awareness are very solid. As all young players do (and he's the youngest of them all), he makes mistakes on both ends, but not at an alarming rate...which is very good for a player that has missed a ton of games and practices due to injury.

Notions of him playing PF full time are misguided in my opinion...he'll excel as a SF that can play/defend PF's in certain situations.

KillMonger · Post #124 » by **KillMonger** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 2:55 am

Could be something special defensively man, very versatile

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3n0lhe01ok[/youtube]

Baka_La Flame · Post #125 » by **Baka_La Flame** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 5:42 am

Kawhi mixed with Marion

407Junkie · Post #126 » by **407Junkie** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:46 pm

If there's a place in this league for Dante Exum to be starting as a point guard then Aaron Gordon should be starting now.

j-ragg · Post #127 » by **j-ragg** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 4:12 pm

I was so high on Gordon and Payton after the draft.

Then after Summer League I was high on Payton and bummed about Gordon.

Then during preseason when they got minutes they both looked good, I was more high on Gordon than Payton.

Now I'm just happy we have both.

tooler · Post #128 » by **tooler** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:09 pm

j-ragg wrote:I was so high on Gordon and Payton after the draft.

Then after Summer League I was high on Payton and bummed about Gordon.

Then during preseason when they got minutes they both looked good, I was more high on Gordon than Payton.

Now I'm just happy we have both.

I still think about how nervous Elfrid looked in the first game of Summer League. Haha!

AdamTheGreek · Post #129 » by **AdamTheGreek** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 7:20 pm

The talent and athleticism are there. Aaron just needs to stay healthy. He's only played 32 games (6 starts). He's shown great improvement in post-ups and jump shooting. Just needs his feet to not fail him.

buriat · Post #130 » by **buriat** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:44 am

I saw my first Magic game in person tonight but have seen many games on TV. Gordon is a young guy and is not close to starting on a winning NBA team currently. Who knows what he might become but it would be foolish to assume he will in your top group going into next year.

CourtsideTV · Post #131 » by **CourtsideTV** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:55 am

you guys need to give the guy a little credit he is only 19 years old. youngest player in the league.

the way i see him guard lebron is all i need to know about him. he keeps his body in front. there was a tacky foul the ref called which was his 1st foul of the game.

if AA puts in work in off season, he can jump up in usage as the years go.

buriat · Post #132 » by **buriat** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 2:48 am

I don't disagree Courtside with giving him time. Some think he is a starter if they don't match Harris. I think that is being way too optimistic. He is not a beast physically and not the answer at PW. He doesn't seem to have the offensive skills to be a starter at SF .

He is just too young still be be what some want him to be on next year's team.

Post #133 » by **UCFJayBird** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:22 am

I would hope next year he has a more defined role and more consistent playing time, but I'd say unless he makes great strides over the summer (which is possible) he won't be quite ready to start for at least another year. The good news IMO is that he's got a great work ethic and his shot is evidence that not only is he committed to improving his weaknesses, he can do it. I think he's got a lot of catching up to do in having a feel for the NBA game and making better decisions with the ball. But he looks like he'll be a fine shooter one day, and his defense is top notch.

I think once he has the experience and a better understanding/feel of the NBA game, he'll be a great player.

KillMonger · Post #134 » by **KillMonger** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:45 am

buriat wrote:I don't disagree Courtside with giving him time. Some think he is a starter if they don't match Harris. I think that is being way too optimistic. He is not a beast physically and not the answer at PW. He doesn't seem to have the offensive skills to be a starter at SF .

He is just too young still be be what some want him to be on next year's team.

i tend to agree at this point but i think he does has the base skills you need......
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp4VE54DVpI[/youtube]

I mean when i look at that i don't see Power Forward it screams SF to me. That said he has a lot of work to do all around but i can't say that he doesn't have the skills he does he just has to sharpen them. Also he needs to be able to play his game, i don't know if this is happening or not but it seems like he being leashed so to speak. Not allowed to dribble the ball or attack, not used in the pick and roll enough....we're not playing to his strengths and seeing that just gives me a feeling that he's capable of more than we're seeing but we're not putting him in positions for him to use his skills.

Like tonight for instance, there were those two consecutive turnovers off simple passes. My brain is telling me lazy pass, but my gut is telling me that if he was allowed to play his game instead of passing he probably would of tried to create and take his man off the dribble. It's like the coaching staff just told him to play within the offense and don't force anything, keep it simple and that's fine but Aaron Gordon wasn't drafted that high to be a guy that's just going to blend into the pack and not be aggressive. Right now from my eyes i'm seeing a AG that is very different from what i expected in terms of play style, he's deferring more than what i would like but i'm coming to understand that more than likely it's by design.

We need a coach that's is going to see AG for what he is and fully maximize him and what he can do, JB isn't that guy imo just doesn't know how to use AG.

TreasureCoast · Post #135 » by **TreasureCoast** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:56 am

Immature Luigi wrote:
buriat wrote:I don't disagree Courtside with giving him time. Some think he is a starter if they don't match Harris. I think that is being way too optimistic. He is not a beast physically and not the answer at PW. He doesn't seem to have the offensive skills to be a starter at SF .

He is just too young still be be what some want him to be on next year's team.

i tend to agree at this point but i think he does has the base skills you need......
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp4VE54DVpI[/youtube]

I mean when i look at that i don't see Power Forward it screams SF to me. That said he has a lot of work to do all around but i can't say that he doesn't have the skills he does he just has to sharpen them. Also he needs to be able to play his game, i don't know if this is happening or not but it seems like he being leashed so to speak. Not allowed to dribble the ball or attack, not used in the pick and roll enough....we're not playing to his strengths and seeing that just gives me a feeling that he's capable of more than we're seeing but we're not putting him in positions for him to use his skills.

Like tonight for instance, there were those two consecutive turnovers off simple passes. My brain is telling me lazy pass, but my gut is telling me that if he was allowed to play his game instead of passing he probably would of tried to create and take his man off the dribble. It's like the coaching staff just told him to play within the offense and don't force anything, keep it simple and that's fine but Aaron Gordon wasn't drafted that high to be a guy that's just going to blend into the pack and not be aggressive. Right now from my eyes i'm seeing a AG that is very different from what i expected in terms of play style, he's deferring more than what i would like but i'm coming to understand that more than likely it's by design.

We need a coach that's is going to see AG for what he is and fully maximize him and what he can do, JB isn't that guy imo just doesn't know how to use AG.

Excellent post! I would like to add that it is easy to forget he is one of the youngest in the league, he'll still be 19 right before training camp next season! We have a lot of time to hopefully implement his game and hopefully find a coach that can build an offense and defense around his strengths because I firmly believe he is the future of our team(unless the unlikely event of a trade for a superstar happens and he's included)

Post #136 » by **eyriq** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:37 am

He is quickly becoming my favorite player

T-Cat · Post #137 » by **T-Cat** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:00 pm

Immature Luigi wrote:
buriat wrote:I don't disagree Courtside with giving him time. Some think he is a starter if they don't match Harris. I think that is being way too optimistic. He is not a beast physically and not the answer at PW. He doesn't seem to have the offensive skills to be a starter at SF .

He is just too young still be be what some want him to be on next year's team.

i tend to agree at this point but i think he does has the base skills you need......
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp4VE54DVpI[/youtube]

I mean when i look at that i don't see Power Forward it screams SF to me. That said he has a lot of work to do all around but i can't say that he doesn't have the skills he does he just has to sharpen them. Also he needs to be able to play his game, i don't know if this is happening or not but it seems like he being leashed so to speak. Not allowed to dribble the ball or attack, not used in the pick and roll enough....we're not playing to his strengths and seeing that just gives me a feeling that he's capable of more than we're seeing but we're not putting him in positions for him to use his skills.

Like tonight for instance, there were those two consecutive turnovers off simple passes. My brain is telling me lazy pass, but my gut is telling me that if he was allowed to play his game instead of passing he probably would of tried to create and take his man off the dribble. It's like the coaching staff just told him to play within the offense and don't force anything, keep it simple and that's fine but Aaron Gordon wasn't drafted that high to be a guy that's just going to blend into the pack and not be aggressive. Right now from my eyes i'm seeing a AG that is very different from what i expected in terms of play style, he's deferring more than what i would like but i'm coming to understand that more than likely it's by design.

We need a coach that's is going to see AG for what he is and fully maximize him and what he can do, JB isn't that guy imo just doesn't know how to use AG.

Yes I agree! Those 2 turnovers were designed by play and he could have easily took the ball to the rack for an high percentage shot or pass.

He doesn't have any plays run for him, he's playing like a role player but guys like Harris and Oladipo can run ISO smh lol #NotFair

tiderulz · Post #138 » by **tiderulz** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 1:25 pm

T-Cat wrote:Yes I agree! Those 2 turnovers were designed by play and he could have easily took the ball to the rack for an high percentage shot or pass.

He doesn't have any plays run for him, he's playing like a role player but guys like Harris and Oladipo can run ISO smh lol #NotFair

to be fair, Harris and Dipo have experience that AG doesnt have. ISO was never highlighted as a strength for AG, so not sure why you are surprised that they arent putting him in ISO situations.

407Junkie · Post #139 » by **407Junkie** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:10 pm

tiderulz wrote:
T-Cat wrote:Yes I agree! Those 2 turnovers were designed by play and he could have easily took the ball to the rack for an high percentage shot or pass.

He doesn't have any plays run for him, he's playing like a role player but guys like Harris and Oladipo can run ISO smh lol #NotFair

to be fair, Harris and Dipo have experience that AG doesnt have. ISO was never highlighted as a strength for AG, so not sure why you are surprised that they arent putting him in ISO situations.

Only experience Oladipo and Harris have is taking this team to a whole lot of losing. Anybody on this team should have free reign to shoot and make plays. That's my problem with the coaches and gm, they're not developing the future for the sake or some garbage wins that they're still not achieving. Minnesota is starting Levine who is Gordon's age and Utah is starting Exum to get them more reps and experience to speed up the process. Not the Magic though.

Last Guardian · Post #140 » by **Last Guardian** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:19 pm

buriat wrote:I don't disagree Courtside with giving him time. Some think he is a starter if they don't match Harris. I think that is being way too optimistic. He is not a beast physically and not the answer at PW. He doesn't seem to have the offensive skills to be a starter at SF .

He is just too young still be be what some want him to be on next year's team.

We start him to develop him, imo. Unfortunately, next season really isn't about winning either. I certainly hope to be a better team of course, but the biggest addition will be another rookie (unless Henny has some massive trade in the works, but I doubt that).

I just want to see him next season with him being a big part of each game playing 30+ minutes. Always guarding the best perimeter guy, and making (or attempting) plays offensively. We know he can dribble. We know he is an athletic freak. We know he will make the pass if it is there. We just have to throw him out there and let him do what he can do. Maybe play terribly at first and then make huge strides, as Payton did this season.