Countdown to NBA Draft: Prospect Talk

[Triple C]

For me there is a kind of hype to KAT based a bit 'too much on potential and about being a player of one of the strongest teams in the history of NCAA basketball (with WCS help defend your side is one thing, defending without WCS is another ..) clear that we are talking about a 19 year old with huge potential, but at the same time there is a hype as opposed to Okafor, seems to speak of a 23 year old overlooking the college as a Boozer and thanks to physical and pounds that advantage, but in the NBA will be undersize ..... **** is 19 also Okafor is 6-11 (6-11 as a Cousins), has a wingspan in the territory of Hibbert, **** attack is so agile will also improve behind or in attack remains agile and in the midfield remains a sewer? We are talking about one that is defined by the vast majority of most centers freshmen ever seen in the history !!!! One that if not grow as a player still sore that I become "just" an Al Jefferson bigger and stronger .... Well, at this point or KAT has a potential to be potential MVP or something is wrong, is not that it ends as in 2005 with Marvin Williams took to the potential before CP3 and Deron instead had lower margins?

[moabu08]

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Mudiays jumpshot looks like shumperts haha

[DickGrayson]

Manhattan College plays today against Hampton. College I graduated from with bachelors in Kines, did some work the basketball team as a S&C coach back in 2010. Definately rooting for them so I get to see Kentucky vs Manhattan. Yea I know it'll be slaughter, but still fun to see my college be in the NCAA tourney. Its a feat for a small school like Manhattan.

[Johnny Hoops]

Manhattan College plays today against Hampton. College I graduated from with bachelors in Kines, did some work the basketball team as a S&C coach back in 2010. Definately rooting for them so I get to see Kentucky vs Manhattan. Yea I know it'll be slaughter, but still fun to see my college be in the NCAA tourney. Its a feat for a small school like Manhattan.

Great story - Dick.

[Workforce250]

For some reason most of you are unwilling to recognize Kaminsky's talents. I say he's Dirk lite. And might even someday equal Dirk. You folks are underrating Kaminsky.

It appears that only god4gives and myself appreciate Kaminsky's skills.

If Kaminsky ends up being ROY next year most of you folks are going to look quite foolish.

Worst yet, you will all have to admit god4gives was right. Ouch, dat gonna hoit!

I'll bookmark this post. I highly doubt it, Kaminsky just seems like another college kid who hit the ceiling. He'll be Channing Frye in the NBA.

I don't know. ....
what I'm noticing is that Kaminsky reminds me more of pre-injury Bogut than Frye. But Kamisky's jumper is butter.

[Johnny Hoops]

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That was a pretty nice breakdown on Mudiay -- definitely a lot to love about this kid.

Looks like a legit - plug/play PG with ready made NBA game --- love that he is a very willing passer and is constantly in attack mode.
His shot isn't broken and will only get better with time / age.

I would take Mudiay over Russell --- simply due to body type and athleticism.

Very worried about Russell's long term ability to handle NBA pounding and his ability to play the PG position exclusively in the pro's.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Manhattan College plays today against Hampton. College I graduated from with bachelors in Kines, did some work the basketball team as a S&C coach back in 2010. Definately rooting for them so I get to see Kentucky vs Manhattan. Yea I know it'll be slaughter, but still fun to see my college be in the NCAA tourney. Its a feat for a small school like Manhattan.

I'll be rooting for my alma matter, Vanderbilt, in the Not Invited Tournament (NIT) To think just it was almost 3 years ago to the day (my junior year) that we beat Anthony Davis' team in the SEC tournament...oh how the mighty have fallen. We will bounce back next year.

[NYKnicksTAPE]

For me there is a kind of hype to KAT based a bit 'too much on potential and about being a player of one of the strongest teams in the history of NCAA basketball (with WCS help defend your side is one thing, defending without WCS is another ..) clear that we are talking about a 19 year old with huge potential, but at the same time there is a hype as opposed to Okafor, seems to speak of a 23 year old overlooking the college as a Boozer and thanks to physical and pounds that advantage, but in the NBA will be undersize ..... **** is 19 also Okafor is 6-11 (6-11 as a Cousins), has a wingspan in the territory of Hibbert, **** attack is so agile will also improve behind or in attack remains agile and in the midfield remains a sewer? We are talking about one that is defined by the vast majority of most centers freshmen ever seen in the history !!!! One that if not grow as a player still sore that I become "just" an Al Jefferson bigger and stronger .... Well, at this point or KAT has a potential to be potential MVP or something is wrong, is not that it ends as in 2005 with Marvin Williams took to the potential before CP3 and Deron instead had lower margins?

I'm not really understanding what you're saying

[E-Balla]

For me there is a kind of hype to KAT based a bit 'too much on potential and about being a player of one of the strongest teams in the history of NCAA basketball (with WCS help defend your side is one thing, defending without WCS is another ..) clear that we are talking about a 19 year old with huge potential, but at the same time there is a hype as opposed to Okafor, seems to speak of a 23 year old overlooking the college as a Boozer and thanks to physical and pounds that advantage, but in the NBA will be undersize ..... **** is 19 also Okafor is 6-11 (6-11 as a Cousins), has a wingspan in the territory of Hibbert, **** attack is so agile will also improve behind or in attack remains agile and in the midfield remains a sewer? We are talking about one that is defined by the vast majority of most centers freshmen ever seen in the history !!!! One that if not grow as a player still sore that I become "just" an Al Jefferson bigger and stronger .... Well, at this point or KAT has a potential to be potential MVP or something is wrong, is not that it ends as in 2005 with Marvin Williams took to the potential before CP3 and Deron instead had lower margins?

What?

[EMG518]

For me there is a kind of hype to KAT based a bit 'too much on potential and about being a player of one of the strongest teams in the history of NCAA basketball (with WCS help defend your side is one thing, defending without WCS is another ..) clear that we are talking about a 19 year old with huge potential, but at the same time there is a hype as opposed to Okafor, seems to speak of a 23 year old overlooking the college as a Boozer and thanks to physical and pounds that advantage, but in the NBA will be undersize ..... **** is 19 also Okafor is 6-11 (6-11 as a Cousins), has a wingspan in the territory of Hibbert, **** attack is so agile will also improve behind or in attack remains agile and in the midfield remains a sewer? We are talking about one that is defined by the vast majority of most centers freshmen ever seen in the history !!!! One that if not grow as a player still sore that I become "just" an Al Jefferson bigger and stronger .... Well, at this point or KAT has a potential to be potential MVP or something is wrong, is not that it ends as in 2005 with Marvin Williams took to the potential before CP3 and Deron instead had lower margins?

I'm not really understanding what you're saying

Basically he is making the case for drafting Okafor. He is already a stud at 19, even if he doesnt develop much he is a bigger, stronger Al Jefferson with a wing span like Hibbert. Towns has the luxury of help defense from WCS and alot of his hype is based on potential and not actual on court production. He doesnt want to take a guy with a high ceiling if that comes with a low floor.

[Triple C]

For me there is a kind of hype to KAT based a bit 'too much on potential and about being a player of one of the strongest teams in the history of NCAA basketball (with WCS help defend your side is one thing, defending without WCS is another ..) clear that we are talking about a 19 year old with huge potential, but at the same time there is a hype as opposed to Okafor, seems to speak of a 23 year old overlooking the college as a Boozer and thanks to physical and pounds that advantage, but in the NBA will be undersize ..... **** is 19 also Okafor is 6-11 (6-11 as a Cousins), has a wingspan in the territory of Hibbert, **** attack is so agile will also improve behind or in attack remains agile and in the midfield remains a sewer? We are talking about one that is defined by the vast majority of most centers freshmen ever seen in the history !!!! One that if not grow as a player still sore that I become "just" an Al Jefferson bigger and stronger .... Well, at this point or KAT has a potential to be potential MVP or something is wrong, is not that it ends as in 2005 with Marvin Williams took to the potential before CP3 and Deron instead had lower margins?

I'm not really understanding what you're saying

Basically he is making the case for drafting Okafor. He is already a stud at 19, even if he doesnt develop much he is a bigger, stronger Al Jefferson with a wing span like Hibbert. Towns has the luxury of help defense from WCS and alot of his hype is based on potential and not actual on court production. He doesnt want to take a guy with a high ceiling if that comes with a low floor.

This.

Sorry, i'm european, my english is bad.

[noobcake]

For me there is a kind of hype to KAT based a bit 'too much on potential and about being a player of one of the strongest teams in the history of NCAA basketball (with WCS help defend your side is one thing, defending without WCS is another ..) clear that we are talking about a 19 year old with huge potential, but at the same time there is a hype as opposed to Okafor, seems to speak of a 23 year old overlooking the college as a Boozer and thanks to physical and pounds that advantage, but in the NBA will be undersize ..... **** is 19 also Okafor is 6-11 (6-11 as a Cousins), has a wingspan in the territory of Hibbert, **** attack is so agile will also improve behind or in attack remains agile and in the midfield remains a sewer? We are talking about one that is defined by the vast majority of most centers freshmen ever seen in the history !!!! One that if not grow as a player still sore that I become "just" an Al Jefferson bigger and stronger .... Well, at this point or KAT has a potential to be potential MVP or something is wrong, is not that it ends as in 2005 with Marvin Williams took to the potential before CP3 and Deron instead had lower margins?

Let me rewrite this.

KAT's stock is based too much on potential.

KAT is on a stacked team with WCS covering for him on defense.

People think Okafor is a 23 year old undersized center, while Towns is much younger. Okafor is actually 19.

Okafor has Cousins' 6'11" size and HIbbert's 7'6" wingspan.

Okafor's post game is one of the best all times for a freshmen center.

For someone so offensively talented, his mid range game will develop and not remain in the sewers.

Okafor without any more development is still a bigger and stronger All Jefferson.

Towns reminds him of Marvin Williams vs CP3/Deron Williams. Potential vs skills.

[bigfnjoe96]

Let me rewrite this.

KAT's stock is based too much on potential.

KAT is on a stacked team with WCS covering for him on defense.

People think Okafor is a 23 year old undersized center, while Towns is much younger. Okafor is actually 19.

Okafor has Cousins' 6'11" size and HIbbert's 7'6" wingspan.

Okafor's post game is one of the best all times for a freshmen center.

For someone so offensively talented, his mid range game will develop and not remain in the sewers.

Okafor without any more development is still a bigger and stronger All Jefferson.

Towns reminds him of Marvin Williams vs CP3/Deron Williams. Potential vs skills.

If you think WCS is covering for KAT on defense, then you haven't watched Kentucky much this season.

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[Johnny Hoops]

For me there is a kind of hype to KAT based a bit 'too much on potential and about being a player of one of the strongest teams in the history of NCAA basketball (with WCS help defend your side is one thing, defending without WCS is another ..) clear that we are talking about a 19 year old with huge potential, but at the same time there is a hype as opposed to Okafor, seems to speak of a 23 year old overlooking the college as a Boozer and thanks to physical and pounds that advantage, but in the NBA will be undersize ..... **** is 19 also Okafor is 6-11 (6-11 as a Cousins), has a wingspan in the territory of Hibbert, **** attack is so agile will also improve behind or in attack remains agile and in the midfield remains a sewer? We are talking about one that is defined by the vast majority of most centers freshmen ever seen in the history !!!! One that if not grow as a player still sore that I become "just" an Al Jefferson bigger and stronger .... Well, at this point or KAT has a potential to be potential MVP or something is wrong, is not that it ends as in 2005 with Marvin Williams took to the potential before CP3 and Deron instead had lower margins?

What?

Good Lord - I second that WHAT?

[TrueWarrior]

To me we need a top 2 pick and nothing less. I've been wanting to build around a young big man for 15 years since Pat left. Camby filled the void for a bit but we shipped him out, and Nene no less, for McDoublekneesurgery.

I've gotten my hopes up to varying degrees on Sweetney, Curry, Frye, Hill, Mozgov, and Cole to straight up bums like Anthony Randolph, Jackie Butler, Randolph Morris, Jeremy Tyler, and Jerome Jordan. It's time for this to end.

Russell and Mudiay are nice, but there are countless great PGs in the league now they will be behind development wise and will probably never truly separate themselves from the pack. It's boring to be built like everybody else too. The PG will come later. This team needs an advantage. A big advantage. So bring the big man back to the Garden. Give me Towns or OK4.

[Johnny Hoops]

For me there is a kind of hype to KAT based a bit 'too much on potential and about being a player of one of the strongest teams in the history of NCAA basketball (with WCS help defend your side is one thing, defending without WCS is another ..) clear that we are talking about a 19 year old with huge potential, but at the same time there is a hype as opposed to Okafor, seems to speak of a 23 year old overlooking the college as a Boozer and thanks to physical and pounds that advantage, but in the NBA will be undersize ..... **** is 19 also Okafor is 6-11 (6-11 as a Cousins), has a wingspan in the territory of Hibbert, **** attack is so agile will also improve behind or in attack remains agile and in the midfield remains a sewer? We are talking about one that is defined by the vast majority of most centers freshmen ever seen in the history !!!! One that if not grow as a player still sore that I become "just" an Al Jefferson bigger and stronger .... Well, at this point or KAT has a potential to be potential MVP or something is wrong, is not that it ends as in 2005 with Marvin Williams took to the potential before CP3 and Deron instead had lower margins?

Let me rewrite this.

KAT's stock is based too much on potential. No it's not -- he has already shown that he's oozing with skills/production.

KAT is on a stacked team with WCS covering for him on defense. [color=#004080]He is the best all-around player on a great college team - and he's a freshman. It's Towns that is doing most of the covering up on the Kentucky defense -- his all around defense is superior. While he may not be the athlete that WCS is -- he is the better all-around team defender (rim-protector).[/color]

People think Okafor is a 23 year old undersized center, while Towns is much younger. Okafor is actually 19. I never heard anybody say that Okafor is an older player --- or fully developed just yet. The problem with Okafor is that his current weaknesses won't be fixed with maturation. Where Towns current weakness - youth/strength -- will.

Okafor has Cousins' 6'11" size and HIbbert's 7'6" wingspan. OK

Okafor's post game is one of the best all times for a freshmen center. OK and what about everything else besides his passing?

For someone so offensively talented, his mid range game will develop and not remain in the sewers. Sure he will expand his range some but by the looks of that foul shot -- how much he improves is debatable while Town's stroke is pure right now.

Okafor without any more development is still a bigger and stronger All Jefferson. OK

Towns reminds him of Marvin Williams vs CP3/Deron Williams. Potential vs skills.

No idea how you get Marvin Williams with Towns????

[djphan]

Russell and Mudiay are nice, but there are countless great PGs in the league now they will be behind development wise and will probably never truly separate themselves from the pack. It's boring to be built like everybody else too. The PG will come later. This team needs an advantage. A big advantage. So bring the big man back to the Garden. Give me Towns or OK4.

starting this year you are going to see an incredible amount of pretty good big men come into the game.... next year's draft looks no different... but this year especially...

with that influx... the amount of good/great pgs should go down...

[Capn'O]

Russell and Mudiay are nice, but there are countless great PGs in the league now they will be behind development wise and will probably never truly separate themselves from the pack. It's boring to be built like everybody else too. The PG will come later. This team needs an advantage. A big advantage. So bring the big man back to the Garden. Give me Towns or OK4.

starting this year you are going to see an incredible amount of pretty good big men come into the game.... next year's draft looks no different... but this year especially...

with that influx... the amount of good/great pgs should go down...

That will make a happy Cappy. I miss the big man game.

[TrueWarrior]

Russell and Mudiay are nice, but there are countless great PGs in the league now they will be behind development wise and will probably never truly separate themselves from the pack. It's boring to be built like everybody else too. The PG will come later. This team needs an advantage. A big advantage. So bring the big man back to the Garden. Give me Towns or OK4.

starting this year you are going to see an incredible amount of pretty good big men come into the game.... next year's draft looks no different... but this year especially...

with that influx... the amount of good/great pgs should go down...

Well it's not like the PGs are retiring anytime soon so I don't see how they should go down. Almost every team has a nice PG besides us.

A PG hasn't led their team to a ring as the team's best player since Isiah. This is a tall man's game. Magic Johnson was like 6'8''. Our best shot at separating ourselves is through a dominant center. Don't know if we can say this about Okafor yet defensively (easily offensively though) but centers affect both ends much more than a PG does.

[JBreezeNY]

To me we need a top 2 pick and nothing less. I've been wanting to build around a young big man for 15 years since Pat left. Camby filled the void for a bit but we shipped him out, and Nene no less, for McDoublekneesurgery.

I've gotten my hopes up to varying degrees on Sweetney, Curry, Frye, Hill, Mozgov, and Cole to straight up bums like Anthony Randolph, Jackie Butler, Randolph Morris, Jeremy Tyler, and Jerome Jordan. It's time for this to end.

Russell and Mudiay are nice, but there are countless great PGs in the league now they will be behind development wise and will probably never truly separate themselves from the pack. It's boring to be built like everybody else too. The PG will come later. This team needs an advantage. A big advantage. So bring the big man back to the Garden. Give me Towns or OK4.

While I somewhat agree with this, the emergence of Curry & Anthony Davis this season (Even though Curry is 27 I say emergence because he's the frontrunner for MVP this season) shows that you can build with either a PG or a big man instead of just needing strictly a big man.

Curry with all of his weaknesses is still arguably the best PG in the league, Russell & Mudiay in comparison to Steph will good pieces to have. To keep it funky, when Curry came out of College I thought he would be good like 15 ppg, maybe even 17 ppg but he'd be turned into a sixth man because of his defense, his poor quickness, his tendency to look for his shots over having good but not great court vision & his poor athleticism.

Boy did he prove me wrong.

Now I'm not saying Russell & Mudiay will be similar because Curry's work ethic is simply amazing considering all the setbacks he had injury wise and all the effort he put into improving all the facets in his game (he's turned into not an above-average defender but a good defender this season!!!!) but I am saying Russell & Mudiay are apart of the new wave of guards that want to be the best in their class. I think if we landed either of them they'd be our franchise players, I don't think they'll be a superstar or anything but a perennial all-star is pretty damn good especially seeing how bad of a shame this team is in.

Overall I just believe we'll be more than fine with any guy in the top 4.