Okafor or Towns? Which center is the better pick?

[ColdBlooded]

DickGrayson doin all my dirty work in here.

[noobcake]

OKafor shows no defensive bone in his body.
Unqualified

Karl Towns is the more overall dominant basketball player.
lol, ok

Superior rebounder
18.9% vs 17.4% rebounding rate. Towns has a higher defensive rebounding rate. Okafor has a higher offensive rebounding rate. Offensive rebounding rate is a better predictor of rebounding potential btw. A lot of defensive rebounds are uncontested rebounds.


Superior passer.
11.7% vs 9.9%

Superior rim protector/Superior post defender/Superior pick and roll defender
Can't really quantity, but Towns block rate is much higher 12.3% vs 4.3%. He also happens to play with DPOY WCS. Bogut can make even Steph Curry look on defense.

Superior shooter
This is true, far superior.

Let's add in another criteria

Offense
Garbage man offense vs top 5 post game in the NBA

[Zeitgeister]

OKafor shows no defensive bone in his body.
Unqualified

Karl Towns is the more overall dominant basketball player.
lol, ok

Superior rebounder
18.9% vs 17.4% rebounding rate. Towns has a higher defensive rebounding rate. Okafor has a higher offensive rebounding rate. Offensive rebounding rate is a better predictor of rebounding potential btw. A lot of defensive rebounds are uncontested rebounds.


Superior passer.
11.7% vs 9.9%

Superior rim protector/Superior post defender/Superior pick and roll defender
Can't really quantity, but Towns block rate is much higher 12.3% vs 4.3%. He also happens to play with DPOY WCS. Bogut can make even Steph Curry look on defense.

Superior shooter
This is true, far superior.

Let's add in another criteria

Offense
Garbage man offense vs top 5 post game in the NBA

LOL you had to go six years into my post history just because you were crying over my sig which includes things you said very recently. What also seems to have been lost on you is the reason you are in my signature is because of your incredibly arrogant viewpoint of your own scouting skills.

[noobcake]

OKafor shows no defensive bone in his body.
Unqualified

Karl Towns is the more overall dominant basketball player.
lol, ok

Superior rebounder
18.9% vs 17.4% rebounding rate. Towns has a higher defensive rebounding rate. Okafor has a higher offensive rebounding rate. Offensive rebounding rate is a better predictor of rebounding potential btw. A lot of defensive rebounds are uncontested rebounds.


Superior passer.
11.7% vs 9.9%

Superior rim protector/Superior post defender/Superior pick and roll defender
Can't really quantity, but Towns block rate is much higher 12.3% vs 4.3%. He also happens to play with DPOY WCS. Bogut can make even Steph Curry look on defense.

Superior shooter
This is true, far superior.

Let's add in another criteria

Offense
Garbage man offense vs top 5 post game in the NBA

LOL you had to go six years into my post history just because you were crying over my sig which includes things you said very recently. What also seems to have been lost on you is the reason you are in my signature is because of your incredibly arrogant viewpoint of your own scouting skills.

Went to last page of your post. If I had more space, I would put up the crap you put up for Mayo and Williams.

I love how you quote my soon-to-be true statement in your signature. The sad thing is that you can go through my post history all you want, you won't find anything as embarrassing as your wrongful characterization of just about every wing player in the past few years.

[Zeitgeister]

Let's add in another criteria

Offense
Garbage man offense vs top 5 post game in the NBA

LOL you had to go six years into my post history just because you were crying over my sig which includes things you said very recently. What also seems to have been lost on you is the reason you are in my signature is because of your incredibly arrogant viewpoint of your own scouting skills.

Went to last page of your post. If I had more space, I would put up the crap you put up for Mayo and Williams.

I love how you quote my soon-to-be true statement in your signature. The sad thing is that you can go through my post history all you want, you won't find anything as embarrassing as your wrongful characterization of just about every wing player in the past few years.

I went to your first page, didn't need to go any further to expose you.

BTW, Williams? Williams who? I'm also curious to know the context of the Thabeet quote because I don't recall being very high on him. I might have liked him for the Wolves given where I thought we were picking, nothing much more than that though.

[DickGrayson]

OKafor shows no defensive bone in his body.
Unqualified

Karl Towns is the more overall dominant basketball player.
lol, ok

Superior rebounder
18.9% vs 17.4% rebounding rate. Towns has a higher defensive rebounding rate. Okafor has a higher offensive rebounding rate. Offensive rebounding rate is a better predictor of rebounding potential btw. A lot of defensive rebounds are uncontested rebounds.


Superior passer.
11.7% vs 9.9%

Superior rim protector/Superior post defender/Superior pick and roll defender
Can't really quantity, but Towns block rate is much higher 12.3% vs 4.3%. He also happens to play with DPOY WCS. Bogut can make even Steph Curry look on defense.

Superior shooter
This is true, far superior.

Let's add in another criteria

Offense
Garbage man offense vs top 5 post game in the NBA

Comparing Towns and Okafor's rebounding levels is unbalanced. Towns is stronger than him.

What do you think Towns rebound rate would be if he was playing on Duke?
What do you think Okafor rebound rate would be if he was playing on Kentucky?

Exactly, they're not even close.
Towns has the higher rebound percentage on a team full of great rebounders.

Okafor plays next to 6"9 Amile Jefferson and 6"8 Semi Ojeleye....Marshall Plumlee LMAO.


None of those guys would make Kentucky's roster. Not one.

Karl Towns is a better overall basketball player. I'd like to see your evidence that negates that statement.

"Bogut can make even Steph Curry look on defense."

wut

WCS wasn't this beast of a defender until Towns arrived to Kentucky. However they're both equal in defense. WCS is seasoned for 3 years, out of seniority and minutes he wins the award. Without WCS, Towns is still a top defender. Comparing Stephen Curry's defense to Karl Town's defense takes away the credibility of your research on all those prospects. I invite you to do you homework.


Karl Town now has "garbage man's offense".
Apparently to noobcake Karlito Towns has no skill offensively, no jumpshot, can't create his own shot, no spin moves, no baby hook shots, no turn arounds....nothing. He plays offense like Reggie Evans. Confirmed by NoobCake, official NBA scout. Offical TOP ELITE OP NBA scout. Good job noobcake. Lets close this thread up, noobcake nailed it. Karl Towns garbage man offense and Stephen Curry like defense.

[noobcake]

Okafor plays next to 6"9 Amile Jefferson and 6"8 Semi Ojeleye....Marshall Plumlee LMAO.


None of those guys would make Kentucky's roster. Not one.

Karl Towns is a better overall basketball player. I'd like to see your evidence that negates that statement.



Karl Town now has "garbage man's offense".
Apparently to noobcake Karlito Towns has no skill offensively, no jumpshot, can't create his own shot, no spin moves, no baby hook shots, no turn arounds....nothing. He plays offense like Reggie Evans. Confirmed by NoobCake, official NBA scout. Offical TOP ELITE OP NBA scout. Good job noobcake. Lets close this thread up, noobcake nailed it. Karl Towns garbage man offense and Stephen Curry like defense.

lol massive backfire.

So you are saying, Kentucky is so stacked that half Duke's roster won't even make their roster. Playing on such stacked team, it is a wonder how Towns can't up 10 PPG with the defense so focused on all of Kentucky's amazing players. Also, care to explain why Towns plays 7th most minutes on the team and is the 4th option on offense (# shots taken). I would imagine that with his amazingly developed offensive game, he would be carrying more of the load...

Calipari trying to hurt his stock on purpose?

Also reading comprehension is important. In no way did I compare Curry's defense (which most Warriors fans would claim to be elite based on advanced stats. Are you disputing this?) to Towns. The analogy was used to emphasize the point that playing with a dominant post defender can make you better on defense that you are actually.

[noobcake]

LOL you had to go six years into my post history just because you were crying over my sig which includes things you said very recently. What also seems to have been lost on you is the reason you are in my signature is because of your incredibly arrogant viewpoint of your own scouting skills.

Went to last page of your post. If I had more space, I would put up the crap you put up for Mayo and Williams.

I love how you quote my soon-to-be true statement in your signature. The sad thing is that you can go through my post history all you want, you won't find anything as embarrassing as your wrongful characterization of just about every wing player in the past few years.

I went to your first page, didn't need to go any further to expose you.

BTW, Williams? Williams who? I'm also curious to know the context of the Thabeet quote because I don't recall being very high on him. I might have liked him for the Wolves given where I thought we were picking, nothing much more than that though.

I have challenged you multiple times to produce the evidence. Keep dodging man. Sad

Quoting my outcome-yet-to-determined statements as fact. As opposed to you mis-characterizing just about every wing prospect over the last few years.

[ColdBlooded]

Okafor plays next to 6"9 Amile Jefferson and 6"8 Semi Ojeleye....Marshall Plumlee LMAO.


None of those guys would make Kentucky's roster. Not one.

Karl Towns is a better overall basketball player. I'd like to see your evidence that negates that statement.



Karl Town now has "garbage man's offense".
Apparently to noobcake Karlito Towns has no skill offensively, no jumpshot, can't create his own shot, no spin moves, no baby hook shots, no turn arounds....nothing. He plays offense like Reggie Evans. Confirmed by NoobCake, official NBA scout. Offical TOP ELITE OP NBA scout. Good job noobcake. Lets close this thread up, noobcake nailed it. Karl Towns garbage man offense and Stephen Curry like defense.

lol massive backfire.

So you are saying, Kentucky is so stacked that half Duke's roster won't even make their roster. Playing on such stacked team, it is a wonder how Towns can't up 10 PPG with the defense so focused on all of Kentucky's amazing players. Also, care to explain why Towns plays 7th most minutes on the team and is the 4th option on offense (# shots taken). I would imagine that with his amazingly developed offensive game, he would be carrying more of the load...

Calipari trying to hurt his stock on purpose?

He was trying to say how Amile & Plumlee wouldn't be in the UK rotation. Semi transferred a few months ago, so we'll ignore him.

2 players = half the team according to Noobcake.

Towns offense isn't elite or polished at this moment, but he isn't a garbage man on that end like you suggested. Its pretty obvious why he ranks that way in minutes & shot attempts. UK's depth & foul trouble. He also had a bit of a slow start on offense at the start of the season.

You gotta be trolling with all this **** you're posting. I refuse to believe you're serious.

[Justwar]

All I know is the last ten games he has shown devastating offense enough that makes me wonder why anyone would pick okafor over him. Because he is getting so much better on the block has the jumper rebounding and d. Cal didn't run a lot for him earlier because they were trying to get him physical on the block and he was timid, but it paid off now.

[DickGrayson]

Okafor plays next to 6"9 Amile Jefferson ....Marshall Plumlee LMAO.


None of those guys would make Kentucky's roster. Not one.

Karl Towns is a better overall basketball player. I'd like to see your evidence that negates that statement.



Karl Town now has "garbage man's offense".
Apparently to noobcake Karlito Towns has no skill offensively, no jumpshot, can't create his own shot, no spin moves, no baby hook shots, no turn arounds....nothing. He plays offense like Reggie Evans. Confirmed by NoobCake, official NBA scout. Offical TOP ELITE OP NBA scout. Good job noobcake. Lets close this thread up, noobcake nailed it. Karl Towns garbage man offense and Stephen Curry like defense.

lol massive backfire.

So you are saying, Kentucky is so stacked that half Duke's roster won't even make their roster. Playing on such stacked team, it is a wonder how Towns can't up 10 PPG with the defense so focused on all of Kentucky's amazing players. Also, care to explain why Towns plays 7th most minutes on the team and is the 4th option on offense (# shots taken). I would imagine that with his amazingly developed offensive game, he would be carrying more of the load...

Calipari trying to hurt his stock on purpose?

Also reading comprehension is important. In no way did I compare Curry's defense (which most Warriors fans would claim to be elite based on advanced stats. Are you disputing this?) to Towns. The analogy was used to emphasize the point that playing with a dominant post defender can make you better on defense that you are actually.

Let's be serious here.
Were you aware of who Okafor was playing with in the paint ? Was Duke's other big men a known commodity to you?
Duke's big men not named Okafor won't make Kentucky's roster.
Jefferson is a bust and Plumlee isn't going to the NBA to the NBA like his other brothers.
If you can't understand Kentucky's depth, then just give up.
Lyes, Johnson, WCS, Poythress are 4 NBA prospects...for 2015 and 2016 Drafts. That's 4 future NBAers Towns plays with right now.
Okafor plays with 0. It's fair to say Okafor wouldn't have the rebound rate he does if he played on a stacked team of big men.
Towns isn't a garbage big man.
There's been numerous amount of time when KENTUCKY goes to TOWNS during the clutch moments of the game.
Towns in the post is their best offensive weapon.


George was beating Kentucky by 7, Towns comes and leads Kentucky to a strong win, offensively and defensively. Okafor will never be able to do this on both ends of the court.
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6VA8kjfHQQ[/youtube]

and if you're trying to use that playing with a "dominant" post defender can make you better, than Towns certainly made WCS better. WCS has never played this good in his freshman and sophomore year. Solid defensive player, but never dominant. His defensive rating and all defensive numbers went up playing with Towns. They're both elite and feed off each other. Curry isn't a dominant defender like Towns at his position, he plays with Green, Thompson, Iguodala and Bogut who all been good defenders for the majority of their career. Curry is a good defender, not dominant. Towns and WCS are both beast on the defensive end. Your analogy is very poor and you should never use it again.

[noobcake]

Lyes, Johnson, WCS, Poythress are 4 NBA prospects...for 2015 and 2016 Drafts. That's 4 future NBAers Towns plays with right now.
Okafor plays with 0. It's fair to say Okafor wouldn't have the rebound rate he does if he played on a stacked team of big men.

Pretty much proves why I should just skip all your future posts. Was Poythress playing all this time with a torn ACL? Perhaps you are suggesting that Towns was playing with WCS, Lyes and Johnson at the same time every game. So much for the platoon system...

I'm sure only Kentucky McDonald all Americans are future NBA players. Why are you even posting on this forum if you think Okafor is the only NBA prospect on the Duke roster

[noobcake]

Okafor plays next to 6"9 Amile Jefferson and 6"8 Semi Ojeleye....Marshall Plumlee LMAO.


None of those guys would make Kentucky's roster. Not one.

Karl Towns is a better overall basketball player. I'd like to see your evidence that negates that statement.



Karl Town now has "garbage man's offense".
Apparently to noobcake Karlito Towns has no skill offensively, no jumpshot, can't create his own shot, no spin moves, no baby hook shots, no turn arounds....nothing. He plays offense like Reggie Evans. Confirmed by NoobCake, official NBA scout. Offical TOP ELITE OP NBA scout. Good job noobcake. Lets close this thread up, noobcake nailed it. Karl Towns garbage man offense and Stephen Curry like defense.

lol massive backfire.

So you are saying, Kentucky is so stacked that half Duke's roster won't even make their roster. Playing on such stacked team, it is a wonder how Towns can't up 10 PPG with the defense so focused on all of Kentucky's amazing players. Also, care to explain why Towns plays 7th most minutes on the team and is the 4th option on offense (# shots taken). I would imagine that with his amazingly developed offensive game, he would be carrying more of the load...

Calipari trying to hurt his stock on purpose?

He was trying to say how Amile & Plumlee wouldn't be in the UK rotation. Semi transferred a few months ago, so we'll ignore him.

2 players = half the team according to Noobcake.

Towns offense isn't elite or polished at this moment, but he isn't a garbage man on that end like you suggested. Its pretty obvious why he ranks that way in minutes & shot attempts. UK's depth & foul trouble. He also had a bit of a slow start on offense at the start of the season.

You gotta be trolling with all this **** you're posting. I refuse to believe you're serious.

Are you aware of the concept of rotation? Sean Kelly, Nick Pagliuca, Sean Kelly taking up that roster space. I don't know if they teach you guys the concept of fractions and denominators in Gainesville.

Today I learned, foul trouble is a non-issue.

Kiddos and kiddies, you can't have it both ways. Okafor is either carrying a talentless team or he has no impact and is being carried by a talented team.

[Zeitgeister]

I have challenged you multiple times to produce the evidence. Keep dodging man. Sad

Quoting my outcome-yet-to-determined statements as fact. As opposed to you mis-characterizing just about every wing prospect over the last few years.

Nice job avoiding my questions. It was pretty hilarious reading all of your anti-Wiggins comments, some of which were so absurd you got suspended for them. You were going on about all these threads you were going to bump at the end of the year. My guess is you'll avoid doing that now, for your own sake.

[noobcake]

I have challenged you multiple times to produce the evidence. Keep dodging man. Sad

Quoting my outcome-yet-to-determined statements as fact. As opposed to you mis-characterizing just about every wing prospect over the last few years.

Nice job avoiding my questions. It was pretty hilarious reading all of your anti-Wiggins comments, some of which were so absurd you got suspended for them. You were going on about all these threads you were going to bump at the end of the year. My guess is you'll avoid doing that now, for your own sake.

No, I was suspended by a Toronto/Wiggins homer mod. I absolutely hate Wiggins as a prospect. With his 13 PER, near NBA worst team record, negative RPM, his trajectory is going in the direction of my predictions anyways.

Towns is a far better prospect than Wiggins. Towns is not a bad prospect at all, I'll take him #3 after Russell then Okafor.

Why do you ask my the answer to questions you know the answers to? Can't remember your own posts now? Derrick Williams of course.

I love getting you all-world-potential homers riled up. I value skill over "potential" any day of the week.

[Zeitgeister]

I have challenged you multiple times to produce the evidence. Keep dodging man. Sad

Quoting my outcome-yet-to-determined statements as fact. As opposed to you mis-characterizing just about every wing prospect over the last few years.

Nice job avoiding my questions. It was pretty hilarious reading all of your anti-Wiggins comments, some of which were so absurd you got suspended for them. You were going on about all these threads you were going to bump at the end of the year. My guess is you'll avoid doing that now, for your own sake.

No, I was suspended by a Toronto/Wiggins homer mod. I absolutely hate Wiggins as a prospect. With his 13 PER, near NBA worst team record, negative RPM, his trajectory is going in the direction of my predictions anyways.

Towns is a far better prospect than Wiggins. Towns is not a bad prospect at all, I'll take him #3 after Russell then Okafor.

Why do you ask my the answer to questions you know the answers to? Can't remember your own posts now? Derrick Williams of course.

I love getting you all-world-potential homers riled up. I value skill over "potential" any day of the week.

What did I say about Derrick Williams exactly? Link the post. I've rarely posted on the draft board or the Timberwolves board in the past few years until recently, I'd honestly be surprised if I wrote anything on Derrick Williams. I didn't have much of an opinion of him at the time, as I didn't watch a single minute of him play in college. You are saying that I did, why don't you post it and link to the thread?

Yes, I know you hate Wiggins. It's quite obvious, you don't like athletes. I have no issue with admitting that I've had bad takes. I've learned a lot from reading Real GM over the years (not from you), and some of that has influenced the way I see prospects now versus how I did five to six years ago.

My issue is with you, who thinks he's this infallible prospect mind.

[BoutPractice]

I don't watch as much college as you guys, but looking at tools, playing style and advanced stats so far Towns seems like the better long term pick and perhaps the only potential "franchise turnaround" player in the draft.

Everyone is talking about defense, but I have a few worries about Okafor's offense as well, and I wonder if some people who've watched more of him can illuminate me on those questions:
- Why does he so rarely use his left hand, even when he obviously should (such as running hooks going to his left)? Do you think he'll be able to change that in the NBA? Otherwise those shots are remarkably easy to block without his body shielding him from the defense in the proper way...
- Do you think he could ever develop a reliable midrange jumper?
- Do you think his free throw shooting can improve?

As of right now, those three things seem like huge red flags. The current version of Okafor is a player you could easily "figure out" at the next level with decent enough scouting.

[Marcus]

I don't watch as much college as you guys, but looking at tools, playing style and advanced stats so far Towns seems like the better long term pick and perhaps the only potential "franchise turnaround" player in the draft.

Everyone is talking about defense, but I have a few worries about Okafor's offense as well, and I wonder if some people who've watched more of him can illuminate me on those questions:
- Why does he so rarely use his left hand, even when he obviously should (such as running hooks going to his left)? Do you think he'll be able to change that in the NBA?
- Do you think he could ever develop a reliable midrange jumper?
- Do you think his free throw shooting can improve?

As of right now, those three things seem like huge red flags.

he should definitely use his left more around the cup with some of the shots he takes i.e that right shoulder turn he does which should be a lefty jump hook but he instead shoots with his right hand which usually ends up inside the defender's near hand. I think its something he's gotten away with for years but he will need to adjust in the league. I think he's capable of making the adjustment and he's shown a strong left when its the only option for that bucket but he has a strong preference to use his strong hand.

as far as the jumper. I think he could improve it as long as there's that backboard angle for him to use. I think that Duncan/Wade/Pippen bankshot will be added to and show more in his arsenal going forward. Its still in its development stages but signs point to it possibly being a weapon down the line.

As far as his free throws go. I can't say that I see a ton of hope for that. His touch is solid so he SHOULD be able to. He seems to put a lot of thought into it though when he's at the stripe and I've always felt like the charity stripe was/is a routine and go thing. I wouldn't bank on too many seasons over say 60% at the most. Who knows though.

[Marcus]

Comparing Towns and Okafor's rebounding levels is unbalanced. Towns is stronger than him.

are you saying stronger rebounder? or stronger physically?

[djphan]

well.. i always point to pekovic as a good/not good comp for him... pekovic is more of a bruiser but he gets a lot of his points on hooks in the paint and is very efficient with it.. when he's healthy he is a load to handle on offense and okafor's better than pek... the jumper should eventually come... he will need it but blake's worked at it and is doing fine... same with malone and countless others... shooting comes with time and practice...