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[Quake Griffin]

I don't like Aldridge's game.

sue me.

[og15]

You guys are funny.

You bang on about strawmen, and then attempt to disprove my claims about Aldridge's effectiveness by invoking Reggie Evans, Kevin Love and Alex English. I clearly said that Top 10 scorer AND Top 10 rebounder AND being the centrepiece of a legit contender = superstar. There's no historical precedent for that player not being considered a superstar, which is probably you why you recalled players that in no way fit that category.

If LMA is so average, how are have the Blazers spent most of the year ahead of the Clips? It surely can't be because Lopez is better than DJ, or Lillard is better than CP3, and it most definitely can't be because Stotts is a better coach than Doc. This is all so very confusing...

Why are the options superstar or average though? I don't understand that. Saying Aldridge is not a superstar, depending on how the person is defining that term doesn't then mean he's average. So it's actually a strawman to attack the supposed argument of Aldridge being average since that argument wasn't actually made.

[Rodddman]

You guys are funny.

You bang on about strawmen, and then attempt to disprove my claims about Aldridge's effectiveness by invoking Reggie Evans, Kevin Love and Alex English. I clearly said that Top 10 scorer AND Top 10 rebounder AND being the centrepiece of a legit contender = superstar. There's no historical precedent for that player not being considered a superstar, which is probably you why you recalled players that in no way fit that category.

If LMA is so average, how are have the Blazers spent most of the year ahead of the Clips? It surely can't be because Lopez is better than DJ, or Lillard is better than CP3, and it most definitely can't be because Stotts is a better coach than Doc. This is all so very confusing...

Why are the options superstar or average though? I don't understand that. Saying Aldridge is not a superstar, depending on how the person is defining that te7rm doesn't then mean he's average. So it's actually a strawman to attack the supposed argument of Aldridge being average since that argument wasn't actually made.

Like it's strawman to attack my supposed claim that Doc is a 'bad' coach, when in reality all I did was point to a rather obvious flaw regarding his handling of young players?

You guys are way too defensive. You can continue living in your fantasy world where Portland hasn't got a single superstar (if LMA doesn't qualify, then surely Lillard doesn't either) but LAC has two AND an elite coach and the alleged DPOY, and yet is still looking up at them in the standings.

[QRich3]

Like it's strawman to attack my supposed claim that Doc is a 'bad' coach, when in reality all I did was point to a rather obvious flaw regarding his handling of young players?

You guys are way too defensive. You can continue living in your fantasy world where Portland hasn't got a single superstar (if LMA doesn't qualify, then surely Lillard doesn't either) but LAC has two AND an elite coach and the alleged DPOY, and yet is still looking up at them in the standings.

What are you even trying to argue here? you're the one that brought up LMA and Portland here, you're the one who started a discussion trying to make some sort of point about how we overvalue the Clippers players and coach, and when we argue our side you get all childish and act like we think we're the best team in the world, which no one here has hinted at. Try to argue your opinion and don't throw a tantrum when people don't agree with you, otherwise no one here will take you seriously.

[og15]

You guys are funny.

You bang on about strawmen, and then attempt to disprove my claims about Aldridge's effectiveness by invoking Reggie Evans, Kevin Love and Alex English. I clearly said that Top 10 scorer AND Top 10 rebounder AND being the centrepiece of a legit contender = superstar. There's no historical precedent for that player not being considered a superstar, which is probably you why you recalled players that in no way fit that category.

If LMA is so average, how are have the Blazers spent most of the year ahead of the Clips? It surely can't be because Lopez is better than DJ, or Lillard is better than CP3, and it most definitely can't be because Stotts is a better coach than Doc. This is all so very confusing...

Why are the options superstar or average though? I don't understand that. Saying Aldridge is not a superstar, depending on how the person is defining that te7rm doesn't then mean he's average. So it's actually a strawman to attack the supposed argument of Aldridge being average since that argument wasn't actually made.

Like it's strawman to attack my supposed claim that Doc is a 'bad' coach, when in reality all I did was point to a rather obvious flaw regarding his handling of young players?

You guys are way too defensive. You can continue living in your fantasy world where Portland hasn't got a single superstar (if LMA doesn't qualify, then surely Lillard doesn't either) but LAC has two AND an elite coach and the alleged DPOY, and yet is still looking up at them in the standings.

You should address that with Neddy, but saying "well he did it too" doesn't really help answer the question I was posing as to how we made the jump.

Whether or not Aldridge is a superstar could be a discussion. The superstar or not arguments can be very circular without definitions because you'll have people who consider high level star or consistent All-Star type players to be a superstar and then others who only consider the Lebron, Durant, etc type guys in the league to be superstars.

Don't lump everyone together, nothing I have responded to you was defensive about anything, I was just asking how we jump from if you aren't a superstar to "well then you must be average". There's a LOT of room between Lebron James (superstar) and Matt Barnes (average player). You could have Kawhi Leonard, certainly not average, but superstar might not be the label we definitively give him either at the moment, or a Klay Thompson this season.

The bold part, if we look through the whole thread, this was never said by anyone except for you, which is why people are kind of wondering what you're getting at. You started it first by saying

The thing is, if Doc is the best coach, and Blake is the best PF, and Chris is the best PG (and I do love CP3's game), then why have the Clips spent the majority of the season outside of the top 4 Western Conference teams?

There was not one person in this thread who said or suggested all those things were true, so that's exactly why people are wondering what is going on here. Then now you just added DPOY to it, again, nothing mentioned by anyone in this thread. It's basically like you picked out any possible thing any Clipper fan could have said about a Clipper player at some point in time, made that the consensus opinion and then are arguing against that consensus opinion that you made up....

The only things said were that Neddy and Quake wouldn't take Aldridge over Blake, which is perfectly fine, they aren't in any sort of wildly different tiers as players and I can see arguments both ways, and most Portland fans would take LMA, most Clippers fans Griffin. The other is that Neddy doesn't consider Aldridge a superstar. Okay, that always depends on definitions to me, so I can't comment without knowing what is being considered superstar, but Aldridge is a very good player either way. The other one is that people don't think Doc's in game management is poor or whatever "shouldn't be ecastatic with his in game management" implies. As well as whatever "he isn't quite all he is cracked up to be" implies. Doc has been a good coach, he isn't amazing or the best coach in the league, and he has his faults, but he's done a lot of things well.

His GM skills suck, that we do know, but his coaching has been quite good.

[mj_shoefanatic]

I'm hoping we can move up to the 3 or 4 seed and/or stay in the 5 or 6 seed. I like our chances in those matchups vs either Portland or Houston

[Rodddman]

Why are the options superstar or average though? I don't understand that. Saying Aldridge is not a superstar, depending on how the person is defining that te7rm doesn't then mean he's average. So it's actually a strawman to attack the supposed argument of Aldridge being average since that argument wasn't actually made.

Like it's strawman to attack my supposed claim that Doc is a 'bad' coach, when in reality all I did was point to a rather obvious flaw regarding his handling of young players?

You guys are way too defensive. You can continue living in your fantasy world where Portland hasn't got a single superstar (if LMA doesn't qualify, then surely Lillard doesn't either) but LAC has two AND an elite coach and the alleged DPOY, and yet is still looking up at them in the standings.

You should address that with Neddy, but saying "well he did it too" doesn't really help answer the question I was posing as to how we made the jump.

Whether or not Aldridge is a superstar could be a discussion. The superstar or not arguments can be very circular without definitions because you'll have people who consider high level star or consistent All-Star type players to be a superstar and then others who only consider the Lebron, Durant, etc type guys in the league to be superstars.

Don't lump everyone together, nothing I have responded to you was defensive about anything, I was just asking how we jump from if you aren't a superstar to "well then you must be average". There's a LOT of room between Lebron James (superstar) and Matt Barnes (average player). You could have Kawhi Leonard, certainly not average, but superstar might not be the label we definitively give him either at the moment, or a Klay Thompson this season.

The bold part, if we look through the whole thread, this was never said by anyone except for you, which is why people are kind of wondering what you're getting at. You started it first by saying

The thing is, if Doc is the best coach, and Blake is the best PF, and Chris is the best PG (and I do love CP3's game), then why have the Clips spent the majority of the season outside of the top 4 Western Conference teams?

There was not one person in this thread who said or suggested all those things were true, so that's exactly why people are wondering what is going on here. Then now you just added DPOY to it, again, nothing mentioned by anyone in this thread. It's basically like you picked out any possible thing any Clipper fan could have said about a Clipper player at some point in time, made that the consensus opinion and then are arguing against that consensus opinion that you made up....

The only things said were that Neddy and Quake wouldn't take Aldridge over Blake, which is perfectly fine, they aren't in any sort of wildly different tiers as players and I can see arguments both ways, and most Portland fans would take LMA, most Clippers fans Griffin. The other is that Neddy doesn't consider Aldridge a superstar. Okay, that always depends on definitions to me, so I can't comment without knowing what is being considered superstar, but Aldridge is a very good player either way. The other one is that people don't think Doc's in game management is poor or whatever "shouldn't be ecastatic with his in game management" implies. As well as whatever "he isn't quite all he is cracked up to be" implies. Doc has been a good coach, he isn't amazing or the best coach in the league, and he has his faults, but he's done a lot of things well.

His GM skills suck, that we do know, but his coaching has been quite good.

That's all fair enough.

I wasn't really looking to get into an argument with anyone, and I certainly don't want to troll on other people's fan sites. I was just responding to the second post in this thread re. Blake/CP3/Doc all being the best (or close to it) at what they do - and I know that it's a position a lot of Clips fans hold - and I just fundamentally disagree with that. TBH, I picked the Clips to win 60+ games this year and get the #1 or #2 seed, so I guess I have just been really disappointed with how they have performed, and then to hear Neddy's total dismissal of LMA - who he didn't even concede was 'a very good player either way' - just cracked me up.

Good luck, guys. You deserve some success after the past 30 or so years. I'm not sure it will happen with Doc in the GM chair though...

[Rodddman]

Here's a serious question...

Do you guys have concerns over the fact that 2 of your top 3 players are relatively unreliable in the crunch due to their FT shooting? I know Blake's numbers have improved, but teams will still put him to the line in the 4th come playoff time, whilst DeAndre is basically unplayable in the final few minutes. Because neither Barnes nor Redick can get into the line and create their own shot in the crunch, this puts a lot of pressure on Jamal and CP3 (who is developing a rep for bad crunch-time play).

This is one of the reasons why my expectations for LAC are relatively low, but I'm interested to know if its a concern for the people who are emotionally invested in the team's success.

[Neddy]

Like it's strawman to attack my supposed claim that Doc is a 'bad' coach, when in reality all I did was point to a rather obvious flaw regarding his handling of young players?

You guys are way too defensive. You can continue living in your fantasy world where Portland hasn't got a single superstar (if LMA doesn't qualify, then surely Lillard doesn't either) but LAC has two AND an elite coach and the alleged DPOY, and yet is still looking up at them in the standings.

You should address that with Neddy, but saying "well he did it too" doesn't really help answer the question I was posing as to how we made the jump.

Whether or not Aldridge is a superstar could be a discussion. The superstar or not arguments can be very circular without definitions because you'll have people who consider high level star or consistent All-Star type players to be a superstar and then others who only consider the Lebron, Durant, etc type guys in the league to be superstars.

Don't lump everyone together, nothing I have responded to you was defensive about anything, I was just asking how we jump from if you aren't a superstar to "well then you must be average". There's a LOT of room between Lebron James (superstar) and Matt Barnes (average player). You could have Kawhi Leonard, certainly not average, but superstar might not be the label we definitively give him either at the moment, or a Klay Thompson this season.

The bold part, if we look through the whole thread, this was never said by anyone except for you, which is why people are kind of wondering what you're getting at. You started it first by saying

The thing is, if Doc is the best coach, and Blake is the best PF, and Chris is the best PG (and I do love CP3's game), then why have the Clips spent the majority of the season outside of the top 4 Western Conference teams?

There was not one person in this thread who said or suggested all those things were true, so that's exactly why people are wondering what is going on here. Then now you just added DPOY to it, again, nothing mentioned by anyone in this thread. It's basically like y
ou picked out any possible thing any Clipper fan could have said about a Clipper player at some point in time, made that the consensus opinion and then are arguing against that consensus opinion that you made up....

The only things said were that Neddy and Quake wouldn't take Aldridge over Blake, which is perfectly fine, they aren't in any sort of wildly different tiers as players and I can see arguments both ways, and most Portland fans would take LMA, most Clippers fans Griffin. The other is that Neddy doesn't consider Aldridge a superstar. Okay, that always depends on definitions to me, so I can't comment without knowing what is being considered superstar, but Aldridge is a very good player either way. The other one is that people don't think Doc's in game management is poor or whatever "shouldn't be ecastatic with his in game management" implies. As well as whatever "he isn't quite all he is cracked up to be" implies. Doc has been a good coach, he isn't amazing or the best coach in the league, and he has his faults, but he's done a lot of things well.

His GM skills suck, that we do know, but his coaching has been quite good.

That's all fair enough.

I wasn't really looking to get into an argument with anyone, and I certainly don't want to troll on other people's fan sites. I was just responding to the second post in this thread re. Blake/CP3/Doc all being the best (or close to it) at what they do - and I know that it's a position a lot of Clips fans hold - and I just fundamentally disagree with that. TBH, I picked the Clips to win 60+ games this year and get the #1 or #2 seed, so I guess I have just been really disappointed with how they have performed, and then to hear Neddy's total dismissal of LMA - who he didn't even concede was 'a very good player either way' - just cracked me up.

Good luck, guys. You deserve some success after the past 30 or so years. I'm not sure it will happen with Doc in the GM chair though...

for the starers, if you wish not to be a troll, then stop trolling. you make up **** and put it in our mouth that we never said. for example, which also is my second point...

secondly, who ever said that Blake is the best at his position? seriously, prove it. all I ever said was that a guy who's defense sucks to a point where his overall rate comes out only 5 points plus between offensive rating minus defensive rating is not anyone's super star. never said a word about Lamarcus being average nor did i ever say Blake was the best. in fact i stated clearly and repeatedly that Anthony Davis is clearly the better player.

lastly, you have yet to prove anything out of "because I say so" crap why you believe Lamarcus is such a great player that you call him a super star. you need to prove your point with something that is tangible beyond your childish "because i say so" and come up with something we can measure mathematically.

bring it, son. if you can't, STFU.

[og15]

Blake hasn't had an issue with clutch FT shooting, so no one is really worried about. DJ's issue is what it is, just have to live with it. He brings other things to the table and hopefully Doc will make the right coaching decisions to prevent that from losing games.

We also expected the team to battle for 60 wins, but that was with an expectation of improved Bullock who becomes a rotation player and solid defender, Charlotte CDR who was shooting very well from 3PT and defending well, non sucky / whiny Farmar and Hawes to replicate what he did last season in terms of shooting. None of those things happened, so you can essentially assign -5 wins to the expectations due to that for the season.

In terms of the best players / coach stuff, firstly, DLaren does not reprsent Clippers fans majority opinion, but that said, Blake is a top 5 PF, Paul is a top 3 PG, and Doc is in the upper 3rd of coaches, so it isn't off to say they are close to being the best at what they do. Now, the issue is that basketball is a team sport. Clippers have some good players on the wings, but in the WC, just good isn't always enough, and when you consider two way play at the wing, the Clippers are quite behind most Western Conference teams. Next you add that the Clippers bench has been atrocious this year and even if Paul was the best PG and Blake the best PF, first of all, the margin between #1 and #3-5 at those positions isn't anything astronomical, those are mainly all similar impact players, it isn't like the SF or even SG position, and then you still have a lot to make up for when 1 starting position on both ends (and Barnes has tried), and SG defensively just because Redick can only do so much as well as the majority of your bench isn't up to par.

[Rodddman]

You should address that with Neddy, but saying "well he did it too" doesn't really help answer the question I was posing as to how we made the jump.

Whether or not Aldridge is a superstar could be a discussion. The superstar or not arguments can be very circular without definitions because you'll have people who consider high level star or consistent All-Star type players to be a superstar and then others who only consider the Lebron, Durant, etc type guys in the league to be superstars.

Don't lump everyone together, nothing I have responded to you was defensive about anything, I was just asking how we jump from if you aren't a superstar to "well then you must be average". There's a LOT of room between Lebron James (superstar) and Matt Barnes (average player). You could have Kawhi Leonard, certainly not average, but superstar might not be the label we definitively give him either at the moment, or a Klay Thompson this season.

The bold part, if we look through the whole thread, this was never said by anyone except for you, which is why people are kind of wondering what you're getting at. You started it first by saying

There was not one person in this thread who said or suggested all those things were true, so that's exactly why people are wondering what is going on here. Then now you just added DPOY to it, again, nothing mentioned by anyone in this thread. It's basically like y
ou picked out any possible thing any Clipper fan could have said about a Clipper player at some point in time, made that the consensus opinion and then are arguing against that consensus opinion that you made up....

The only things said were that Neddy and Quake wouldn't take Aldridge over Blake, which is perfectly fine, they aren't in any sort of wildly different tiers as players and I can see arguments both ways, and most Portland fans would take LMA, most Clippers fans Griffin. The other is that Neddy doesn't consider Aldridge a superstar. Okay, that always depends on definitions to me, so I can't comment without knowing what is being considered superstar, but Aldridge is a very good player either way. The other one is that people don't think Doc's in game management is poor or whatever "shouldn't be ecastatic with his in game management" implies. As well as whatever "he isn't quite all he is cracked up to be" implies. Doc has been a good coach, he isn't amazing or the best coach in the league, and he has his faults, but he's done a lot of things well.

His GM skills suck, that we do know, but his coaching has been quite good.

That's all fair enough.

I wasn't really looking to get into an argument with anyone, and I certainly don't want to troll on other people's fan sites. I was just responding to the second post in this thread re. Blake/CP3/Doc all being the best (or close to it) at what they do - and I know that it's a position a lot of Clips fans hold - and I just fundamentally disagree with that. TBH, I picked the Clips to win 60+ games this year and get the #1 or #2 seed, so I guess I have just been really disappointed with how they have performed, and then to hear Neddy's total dismissal of LMA - who he didn't even concede was 'a very good player either way' - just cracked me up.

Good luck, guys. You deserve some success after the past 30 or so years. I'm not sure it will happen with Doc in the GM chair though...

for the starers, if you wish not to be a troll, then stop trolling. you make up **** and put it in our mouth that we never said. for example, which also is my second point...

secondly, who ever said that Blake is the best at his position? seriously, prove it. all I ever said was that a guy who's defense sucks to a point where his overall rate comes out only 5 points plus between offensive rating minus defensive rating is not anyone's super star. never said a word about Lamarcus being average nor did i ever say Blake was the best. in fact i stated clearly and repeatedly that Anthony Davis is clearly the better player.

lastly, you have yet to prove anything out of "because I say so" crap why you believe Lamarcus is such a great player that you call him a super star. you need to prove your point with something that is tangible beyond your childish "because i say so" and come up with something we can measure mathematically.

bring it, son. if you can't, STFU.

As I have already said, DLaren said in the second post of this thread that Blake was the game's best PF - that's who I was originally responding to. I didn't make that up.

And I gave a number of reasons as to why I consider LaMarcus a superstar. Just because you either disagree or refuse to acknowledge them doesn't mean that they amount to "because I said so".

But since your hostility doesn't appear t be receding anytime soon, let's all just agree to move on, eh?

[Rodddman]

Blake hasn't had an issue with clutch FT shooting, so no one is really worried about. DJ's issue is what it is, just have to live with it. He brings other things to the table and hopefully Doc will make the right coaching decisions to prevent that from losing games.

We also expected the team to battle for 60 wins, but that was with an expectation of improved Bullock who becomes a rotation player and solid defender, Charlotte CDR who was shooting very well from 3PT and defending well, non sucky / whiny Farmar and Hawes to replicate what he did last season in terms of shooting. None of those things happened, so you can essentially assign -5 wins to the expectations due to that for the season.

In terms of the best players / coach stuff, firstly, DLaren does not reprsent Clippers fans majority opinion, but that said, Blake is a top 5 PF, Paul is a top 3 PG, and Doc is in the upper 3rd of coaches, so it isn't off to say they are close to being the best at what they do. Now, the issue is that basketball is a team sport. Clippers have some good players on the wings, but in the WC, just good isn't always enough, and when you consider two way play at the wing, the Clippers are quite behind most Western Conference teams. Next you add that the Clippers bench has been atrocious this year and even if Paul was the best PG and Blake the best PF, first of all, the margin between #1 and #3-5 at those positions isn't anything astronomical, those are mainly all similar impact players, it isn't like the SF or even SG position, and then you still have a lot to make up for when 2/5 starting positions as well as the majority of your bench isn't up to par.

DJ obviously has his good qualities. I'm not saying that he's a total liability or anything like that - I just think it's tough for a team when it can't really use a guy in the clutch who is such a key piece for the other 3 and a half quarters (and is paid accordingly).

I whole-heartedly agree that the lack of quality on the wing is the major issue. A quality athlete at the 2 or 3 who could get his own shot would help to offset DJ's issues, and it would take a lot of pressure of CP3.

I guess a lot will come down to how reliable Blake can be at the end of games, and if Doc is prepared to take it out of CP's hands.

[Neddy]

That's all fair enough.

I wasn't really looking to get into an argument with anyone, and I certainly don't want to troll on other people's fan sites. I was just responding to the second post in this thread re. Blake/CP3/Doc all being the best (or close to it) at what they do - and I know that it's a position a lot of Clips fans hold - and I just fundamentally disagree with that. TBH, I picked the Clips to win 60+ games this year and get the #1 or #2 seed, so I guess I have just been really disappointed with how they have performed, and then to hear Neddy's total dismissal of LMA - who he didn't even concede was 'a very good player either way' - just cracked me up.

Good luck, guys. You deserve some success after the past 30 or so years. I'm not sure it will happen with Doc in the GM chair though...

for the starers, if you wish not to be a troll, then stop trolling. you make up **** and put it in our mouth that we never said. for example, which also is my second point...

secondly, who ever said that Blake is the best at his position? seriously, prove it. all I ever said was that a guy who's defense sucks to a point where his overall rate comes out only 5 points plus between offensive rating minus defensive rating is not anyone's super star. never said a word about Lamarcus being average nor did i ever say Blake was the best. in fact i stated clearly and repeatedly that Anthony Davis is clearly the better player.

lastly, you have yet to prove anything out of "because I say so" crap why you believe Lamarcus is such a great player that you call him a super star. you need to prove your point with something that is tangible beyond your childish "because i say so" and come up with something we can measure mathematically.

bring it, son. if you can't, STFU.

As I have already said, DLaren said in the second post of this thread that Blake was the game's best PF - that's who I was originally responding to. I didn't make that up.

And I gave a number of reasons as to why I consider LaMarcus a superstar. Just because you either disagree or refuse to acknowledge them doesn't mean that they amount to "because I said so".

But since your hostility doesn't appear t be receding anytime soon, let's all just agree to move on, eh?

is it ever possible for you to give any empirical evidence of you claim, or is it too much to ask as my instincts tells me?

I feel like I am debating mathematical data with an English major who's highest level of math was algebra 2, like when i was in college more than 2 decades ago, doing exactly that with someone who could not explain how DNA worked but hung on to how i misspelled DNA in full.

[og15]

Blake hasn't had an issue with clutch FT shooting, so no one is really worried about. DJ's issue is what it is, just have to live with it. He brings other things to the table and hopefully Doc will make the right coaching decisions to prevent that from losing games.

We also expected the team to battle for 60 wins, but that was with an expectation of improved Bullock who becomes a rotation player and solid defender, Charlotte CDR who was shooting very well from 3PT and defending well, non sucky / whiny Farmar and Hawes to replicate what he did last season in terms of shooting. None of those things happened, so you can essentially assign -5 wins to the expectations due to that for the season.

In terms of the best players / coach stuff, firstly, DLaren does not reprsent Clippers fans majority opinion, but that said, Blake is a top 5 PF, Paul is a top 3 PG, and Doc is in the upper 3rd of coaches, so it isn't off to say they are close to being the best at what they do. Now, the issue is that basketball is a team sport. Clippers have some good players on the wings, but in the WC, just good isn't always enough, and when you consider two way play at the wing, the Clippers are quite behind most Western Conference teams. Next you add that the Clippers bench has been atrocious this year and even if Paul was the best PG and Blake the best PF, first of all, the margin between #1 and #3-5 at those positions isn't anything astronomical, those are mainly all similar impact players, it isn't like the SF or even SG position, and then you still have a lot to make up for when 2/5 starting positions as well as the majority of your bench isn't up to par.

DJ obviously has his good qualities. I'm not saying that he's a total liability or anything like that - I just think it's tough for a team when it can't really use a guy in the clutch who is such a key piece for the other 3 and a half quarters (and is paid accordingly).

I whole-heartedly agree that the lack of quality on the wing is the major issue. A quality athlete at the 2 or 3 who could get his own shot would help to offset DJ's issues, and it would take a lot of pressure of CP3.

I guess a lot will come down to how reliable Blake can be at the end of games, and if Doc is prepared to take it out of CP's hands.

I'm a fan of trying to win games without having it come down to one last shot or one hero ball play. Not that you can always do that, but that's a lot more palatable. CP will be fine, misses and mistakes happen. Clippers primarily need to defend and be able to win games with defense, but we've known this for 4 seasons now, so it is what it is.

[QRich3]

Here's a serious question...

Do you guys have concerns over the fact that 2 of your top 3 players are relatively unreliable in the crunch due to their FT shooting? I know Blake's numbers have improved, but teams will still put him to the line in the 4th come playoff time, whilst DeAndre is basically unplayable in the final few minutes. Because neither Barnes nor Redick can get into the line and create their own shot in the crunch, this puts a lot of pressure on Jamal and CP3 (who is developing a rep for bad crunch-time play).

This is one of the reasons why my expectations for LAC are relatively low, but I'm interested to know if its a concern for the people who are emotionally invested in the team's success.

I'd just like to stress that CP3's bad rep in the clutch is not real and he's actually really really good in those situations, like top of the league good by the numbers usually, and he has been for his whole career. Fans catch feelings easily and distort reality to fit such feelings, but there's not half a dozen players in the league I'd rather give the ball than Paul in a situation like the Houston game the other day, when he airballed the shot. Like og said, Blake doesn't really have an issue with FT's, and if teams want to put him on the line in crunch time they're welcome, since his FT% means it'll be a more efficient scoring opportunity than actually making a play.

About DJ, people keep saying he's unplayable in crunch time, but he actually always plays in crunch time, being hacked or not. He actually leads the Clippers in clutch minutes played (tied with Paul and Griffin, cause you know, they've all played all the clutch minutes), and he's the second Clipper in minutes per game in the 4th, behind only Crawford. And considering that, clutch situation or not, he only gets the ball for a lob or an offensive rebound, it's not like there's gonna be a lot of chances to foul him.

Resuming, the Clippers have no problem with clutch offense relative to other teams, the issues you mention are about perception. Now, clutch defense, or defense in general, that is a problem and that's what's holding this team back, as it has the last few years.

[Quake Griffin]

the losses to Dallas and Houston put us behind the 8 ball and a little gap between us and Hou-Por.

We now have to hope they do a little losing down the stretch while staying relatively hot.

[2Mas]

We have the best PG in the leauge.
We have the best PF in the league.
We have the best defensive C in the leauge.
We have the best 6th-man in the league.
We have one of the best 3pt snipers.
We have one of the best coaching staffs.

I don't care who we play, don't care where we play'em...IF WE'RE HEALTHY...nobody is beating us 4 times in a 7 game series.

If it were up to me we'd drastically reduce our starters playing-time and go with this starting line-up instead:

Rivers
Hamilton
Wilcox
Davis
Udoh

Nate Rob, Turk, & Jones would be the first guys off the bench.

That should be our rotation for the last 15 games -- we'll win enough to cling to the 8th-seed, and our starters would be healthy enough to send the Warriors home in the 1st-round again.

Jamal is a gun, but the LAC bench is the worst amongst the WC playoff teams. And if I was a LAC fan, I wouldn't be ecstatic with Doc's in-game management (his front-office moves have been borderline disastrous).

And in what world is Griffin a better PF than Brow or Aldridge?

The Clips have the slimmest of shots, but only because of the brilliance of CP.

Bruh lol. That is just as Clipper-esk as it gets. really thinking they'll climb through the WC all on road smh. Luckily, the other fans on here are saying try to get hc as long as possible.

they have a avg bench at best. Jamal so much good, but he's Jamal, for every 20pt game he kills, there's a 12pt game on 5/15. & Doc is a good coach. He's overrated in the sense that ppl put him in the same class as Pop, but he's still a top tier-ish coach. He's in that top handful.

& the whole PF thing is stupid. Think everyone can agree Davis is #1. But lma & blake can go back & forth. There amongst the same stature in that they're both great. No point in showing all these millions of stats that show who is better.

Is CP3 really the obvious best pg? Same with blake at the pf spot? Is Jordan really the best "defensive" C? All opinionated. Clips are prob a 1st round out anyways.

[Quake Griffin]

Always find it funny how the Clippers wear the first round exit joke more than any team on this forum.
pretty good correlation imo to being the most hated team on this forum.

[QRich3]

Bruh lol. That is just as Clipper-esk as it gets.

How many Clippers fans do you actually know? And why do we always get all the other teams trolls on our forum and none of the normal fans?

Always find it funny how the Clippers wear the first round exit joke more than any team on this forum.
pretty good correlation imo to being the most hated team on this forum.

Thank god we only have the one first round exit in the last 17 years, imagine if we had 2 in the last 3 years like say, the Grizzlies. Who by the way, everybody calls playoff-tested, but the one time they got past the 1st round was because they faced us with an injured Griffin and OKC without Westbrook. They ended up spanked and swept by the Spurs just like we did the year prior though.