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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4661 » by djphan » Tue Mar 17, 2015 11:30 pm

TrueWarrior wrote:
Well it's not like the PGs are retiring anytime soon so I don't see how they should go down. Almost every team has a nice PG besides us.



right but what i'm saying is the current situation with all these elite pgs is partly the result of rule changes... and partly the result of not having enough quality big men in the league... that second part is going to change... and while a guy like stephen curry or russell westbrook might not turn into average players...a guy like teague or lowry or other guys who have historically struggled to score in the paint might... and they all of a sudden turn mediocre...

it's not going to happen overnight... but in a few years... it might prevent guys like marcus smart or elfrid payton or any of these up and comers to reach that level... then that elite pg list will grow shorter gradually....

it might not happen but with all pretty good 7fters coming into the league it's going to be tough if you can't finish in the paint...
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4662 » by 2010 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:02 am

I just want to say I think D'Angelo Russell is going to be a star!

I imagine him in the triangle as the big guard that PJax covets and it makes me drool.

I kinda hope we land the 3rd pick so Okafor/Towns will both be off the board (cuz if we get pick 1/2 we're almost forced to take one of them) so then we can draft Russell.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4663 » by E-Balla » Wed Mar 18, 2015 12:17 am

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Triple C wrote:Let me rewrite this.

KAT's stock is based too much on potential. No it's not -- he has already shown that he's oozing with skills/production.

KAT is on a stacked team with WCS covering for him on defense.He is the best all-around player on a great college team - and he's a freshman. It's Towns that is doing most of the covering up on the Kentucky defense -- his all around defense is superior. While he may not be the athlete that WCS is -- he is the better all-around team defender (rim-protector).

If I'm wrong he can correct me but I don't think he meant that WCS was covering for him. Just that its easier for him to look good when he's surrounded by a ton of guys projected to be decent to good NBA defenders in the near future. Yes he is better than everyone else on the team and we can see that but how much better is he exactly and how good is he compared to past prospects.

People think Okafor is a 23 year old undersized center, while Towns is much younger. Okafor is actually 19. I never heard anybody say that Okafor is an older player --- or fully developed just yet. The problem with Okafor is that his current weaknesses won't be fixed with maturation. Where Towns current weakness - youth/strength -- will.

He was probably referring to the crowd of people acting like what Okafor is doing at 19 isn't crazy but going nuts over Towns even though Okafor is a month younger.

You are right in saying Towns has strengths that'll mature with age naturally and Okafor has to improve in ways that he has to go against the grain to work for. That is why I keep saying Towns is the safe pick and Okafor is the upside guy.

Okafor has Cousins' 6'11" size and HIbbert's 7'6" wingspan. OK

Okafor's post game is one of the best all times for a freshmen center. OK and what about everything else besides his passing?

Well Okafor is a great offensive rebounder, a good defensive rebounder (his team has a higher defensive rebounding percentage than Kentucky so I don't want to hear the teammates thing again), and when he's feeling like it he has shown that he knows how to guard the rim without drawing fouls Roy Hibbert style. His work on the boards reminds me of someone like Andre Drummond (7.6 rebounds a night at UCONN) or Kevin Love (10.6 rebounds a night at UCLA) in that he doesn't go all over the world for boards but he positions himself where the ball falls into his chest or within the range of his fast but low jumps.

For someone so offensively talented, his mid range game will develop and not remain in the sewers. Sure he will expand his range some but by the looks of that foul shot -- how much he improves is debatable while Town's stroke is pure right now.

Okafor without any more development is still a bigger and stronger All Jefferson. OK

Towns reminds him of Marvin Williams vs CP3/Deron Williams. Potential vs skills.
No idea how you get Marvin Williams with Towns????

Before going any further I want to make it known that I don't agree with him at all.

You don't remember the Marvin Williams hype? He was on that 33-4 national champion Duke team in 05 (its funny because the last team to have a 25+ SRS in a major conference before this years Kentucky team was that UNC team) and most saw him developing into what Kawhi Leonard is right now but with the ability to score 20 a game. He played 22 minutes a night, averaged 20/12 per 40 on 63 TS (Towns is averaging 19/13 per 40 on 62 TS), and he was easily the best player on the roster. He was seen as so good that he was taken over the obvious future All Stars CP3 and Deron Williams.

I'd agrue that with their different team builds (Kentucky not really have that great of an offense and UNC leading the NCAA in scoring while being 5th in FG%) Towns' offensive numbers are way more impressive and that he's a better defender but I understand his point.
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Re: *What would you if PJax passes on KAT AND OK4, takes WCS??? 

Post#4664 » by AlphakirA » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:37 am

RHODEY wrote:
AlphakirA wrote:Anyone basing anything on 1 game shouldn't be analyzing basketball...Should we worry about Phil giving Will Barton a max deal too? If they get #1 they're picking Okafor with a 5% chance they pick Towns, otherwise it's not up for debate.


Nice interpretation... :roll: So we have a only 5% chance of picking Towns, what are you basing that on? I know you said it's not up for debate but who died and proclaimed you the authority on basketball analysis? :meditate: :confused:


Logic. Just because a vocal minority started shouting Town from the rooftop doesn't mean Phil cares. He's going to want to pick the best overall player, no mock draft I've seen yet has ANYONE outside of Okafor as #1. I'm the self proclaimed authority, no death needed.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4665 » by isiah_thomas » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:45 am

Might need to start looking at players up to pick 6 soon smfh
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Re: *What would you if PJax passes on KAT AND OK4, takes WCS??? 

Post#4666 » by RHODEY » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:20 am

AlphakirA wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
AlphakirA wrote:Anyone basing anything on 1 game shouldn't be analyzing basketball...Should we worry about Phil giving Will Barton a max deal too? If they get #1 they're picking Okafor with a 5% chance they pick Towns, otherwise it's not up for debate.


Nice interpretation... :roll: So we have a only 5% chance of picking Towns, what are you basing that on? I know you said it's not up for debate but who died and proclaimed you the authority on basketball analysis? :meditate: :confused:


Logic. Just because a vocal minority started shouting Town from the rooftop doesn't mean Phil cares. He's going to want to pick the best overall player, no mock draft I've seen yet has ANYONE outside of Okafor as #1. I'm the self proclaimed authority, no death needed.


Oh ok that makes sense.... :o
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4667 » by djphan » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:35 am

sooooo... who does everyone like with the 7th pick?
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4668 » by DickGrayson » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:52 am

Johnny Hoops wrote:
DickGrayson wrote:Manhattan College plays today against Hampton. College I graduated from with bachelors in Kines, did some work the basketball team as a S&C coach back in 2010. Definately rooting for them so I get to see Kentucky vs Manhattan. Yea I know it'll be slaughter, but still fun to see my college be in the NCAA tourney. Its a feat for a small school like Manhattan.


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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4669 » by camillepd » Wed Mar 18, 2015 9:00 am

We need to lose to Minn and Philly or we are doomed.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4670 » by DaGawd » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:33 am

Even if we somehow beat both it wouldnt be the end of the world....but yeah losing is the best bet lol
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Re: *What would you if PJax passes on KAT AND OK4, takes WCS??? 

Post#4671 » by alphad0gz » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:34 am

AlphakirA wrote:
RHODEY wrote:
AlphakirA wrote:Anyone basing anything on 1 game shouldn't be analyzing basketball...Should we worry about Phil giving Will Barton a max deal too? If they get #1 they're picking Okafor with a 5% chance they pick Towns, otherwise it's not up for debate.


Nice interpretation... :roll: So we have a only 5% chance of picking Towns, what are you basing that on? I know you said it's not up for debate but who died and proclaimed you the authority on basketball analysis? :meditate: :confused:


Logic. Just because a vocal minority started shouting Town from the rooftop doesn't mean Phil cares. He's going to want to pick the best overall player, no mock draft I've seen yet has ANYONE outside of Okafor as #1. I'm the self proclaimed authority, no death needed.


Don't get out much? Towns is #1 at nbadraft.net with OK$ being #3.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4672 » by god4gives » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:35 am

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25111176/ncaa-tournament-shot-chart-analysis-on-top-teams-players

Frank Kaminsky

The favorite for National Player of the Year, Kaminsky's shot chart shows how versatile he is, and how tailor made his game is for the NBA.

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On offense, he does basically what every single NBA team would want. He's terrific at posting up from the right block and creating points for himself either via the drop step toward the rim or facing up and knocking down a midrange shot from eight feet. He generally tries to limit midrange shots, even though he's pretty effective at them. And then, there's the fact that he's begun taking more 3-pointers and knocking them down at a high clip. That's why Kaminsky is considered a potential lottery pick in the upcoming NBA Draft. He has the exact floor-stretching skill set along with the ability to play in the post that NBA teams will want from modern big men.

It's also important to discuss how this shapes what Wisconsin does. His ability to legitimately make every single shot on the floor is extremely important to Ryan's swing offense. Becuase of Kaminsky's improved shooting skill, passing and mobility and Koenig's presence on the floor, Ryan genuinely has the perfect five-out roster to fit his swing offense for maybe the first time in his run at Wisconsin. Another set of reasons why this is the most efficient offense in America.

Jahlil Okafor

I'll show you the shot chart of his main competition for the award, as Okafor's is equally as efficient, although less diverse.

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He's just completely and totally efficient from anywhere within five feet. It's also worth noting though that he's knocked down quite a few 10 to 15-footers this year, expanding his offensive game beyond just the rim. That will be important for his development in the future.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4673 » by F N 11 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:42 pm

As a knick fan, prepare for the worst but hope for the best. #tapetillIdieevenifIcry
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4674 » by Normalyute » Wed Mar 18, 2015 2:50 pm

It appears Phil is scared of getting the 1st pick. Maybe he's afraid of failure. I could be wrong but if there as a clear cut franchise changer Ala LeBron or Shaq I think we would be tanking. But he probably don't wanna pick Ok4 with the #1 and have let say 4th pick (Russell) becomes the better pro. Phil is the GM equivalent of a star player who is scared to take the last shot. I hope I'm wrong though.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4675 » by IllmaticHandler » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:05 pm

2010 wrote:I just want to say I think D'Angelo Russell is going to be a star!

I imagine him in the triangle as the big guard that PJax covets and it makes me drool.

I kinda hope we land the 3rd pick so Okafor/Towns will both be off the board (cuz if we get pick 1/2 we're almost forced to take one of them) so then we can draft Russell.



Russell is who I want as well. I know full well i can be wrong, but I see something special there. He just does everything pretty well. Only 19 and has well rounded game. He is the Bigs shadow. But he a game that can only get better. What he has now is kinda rare for a player his age, in todays game.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4676 » by NBA Fan 1234 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 3:06 pm

Normalyute wrote:It appears Phil is scared of getting the 1st pick. Maybe he's afraid of failure. I could be wrong but if there as a clear cut franchise changer Ala LeBron or Shaq I think we would be tanking. But he probably don't wanna pick Ok4 with the #1 and have let say 4th pick (Russell) becomes the better pro. Phil is the GM equivalent of a star player who is scared to take the last shot. I hope I'm wrong though.


And this is based on...what, exactly?
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4677 » by RaZzMaTaZz » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:01 pm

If the knicks fall outside of top 4, I don't mind drafting this Hezonja guy he can ball like his skill set.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4678 » by nyk97 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:09 pm

number one would be lovely, but honestly no one can be mad with either of the top 3
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4679 » by EMG518 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:11 pm

MUDIAY, he is the guy we should be drafting. Were going to get Towns and regret it immediately, I know it.
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Re: College Thread AKA Prospect Watch 

Post#4680 » by Manhattan Project » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:15 pm

So we still got the worst record right? Eighth pick here we come...
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