Is Hornacek the problem?

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At this point even Utah's Quinn Snyder looks better. They may suck but their fans love that he's actually playing guys like Gobert, Exum, Hayward, Burke, Favors etc instead of stacking them on the bench for mediocre veterans who don't have much promise.

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[JMac1]

At this point even Utah's Quinn Snyder looks better. They may suck but their fans love that he's actually playing guys like Gobert, Exum, Hayward, Burke, Favors etc instead of stacking them on the bench for mediocre veterans who don't have much promise.

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Our fans are too dumb to understand that. And that is the exact reason why they have those guys. The Suns need to give up playing PJ Tucker type good feeling hard working guys. Yea, you get an A for effort.....and? We still are stuck in mediocrity. With no star talent on the team.

We are sooooo dumb!

[JMac1]

Whole season wasted. Did not get a long term look at Goodwin nor Warren and still MISSED THE PLAYOFFS, but hey PJ tucker sure can hustle at 28-29 years old.

[RunDogGun]

Isn't Tucker our second best rebounder behind Len by 0.2/gm, and our second best at steals? Who cares how old he is, he has done really well since the trades, and is still one of our best defenders at multiple positions.

[lilfishi22]

Our fans are too dumb to understand that. And that is the exact reason why they have those guys. The Suns need to give up playing PJ Tucker type good feeling hard working guys. Yea, you get an A for effort.....and? We still are stuck in mediocrity. With no star talent on the team.

We are sooooo dumb!

The fact that you singled out PJ Tucker when he's very clearly the least of our problems pretty much proves this.

[JMac1]

Isn't Tucker our second best rebounder behind Len by 0.2/gm, and our second best at steals? Who cares how old he is, he has done really well since the trades, and is still one of our best defenders at multiple positions.

Your honor, I rest my case

[RunDogGun]

Isn't Tucker our second best rebounder behind Len by 0.2/gm, and our second best at steals? Who cares how old he is, he has done really well since the trades, and is still one of our best defenders at multiple positions.

Your honor, I rest my case

Your case was to undervalue our players? Nice job, you can rest now knowing you did your job.

[JMac1]

Isn't Tucker our second best rebounder behind Len by 0.2/gm, and our second best at steals? Who cares how old he is, he has done really well since the trades, and is still one of our best defenders at multiple positions.

Your honor, I rest my case

Your case was to undervalue our players? Nice job, you can rest now knowing you did your job.

My case is........Tucker is a journeyman who is playing at a back-up players level (looks good next to the Mo Bros who are back-ups too) and not getting any better, and his play and starting isn't getting us to the playoffs, and he is in the way of a player who needs to be playing (Warren) and whom has displayed a penchant to be the exact player we need going forward. Just think how advanced Warren would be if he had been starting all season.

Who gives a fly eff if Tucker is avg 5-7 rebs a game.....Again, as long as people think your way. We will have a bunch of role players on the team missing the playoffs year after year and watching Utah and NO pass us, while talking about "when SAS and the Clippers are old, we will be ready."

[RunDogGun]

"My way"? It's the coach's way, and not only this coach, but others as well. Tucker has earned his spot, get over it.

But if you want to enjoy young kids playing, Philly needs more fans, as they start young guys, and discard them for more picks. MCW could tell you all about it.

Tucker and Warren can coexist, even in a starting capacity. Tucker isn't taking Warren's minutes.

[bwgood77]

At this point even Utah's Quinn Snyder looks better. They may suck but their fans love that he's actually playing guys like Gobert, Exum, Hayward, Burke, Favors etc instead of stacking them on the bench for mediocre veterans who don't have much promise.

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Hayward and Favors are in their second contracts. Comparisons on our team to them would be Bledsoe and Markieff. Gobert came out the same time as Len and plays three more minutes a game this year. Burke plays more than Goodwin but was taken 20 spots higher in the draft, so that's expected. Exum plays more than Warren, but again, he was taken 9 spots higher. Knight is still in his rookie contract, so has been in the league fewer years than Hayward or Favors, and of course it makes sense to play him over Goodwin since he is a near all star (and Dragic too over Goodwin, after being 3rd team all nba). But with Knight out, Goodwin IS getting extra time.

I'd like to see Warren play more, but most everyone else is getting the proper amount of time.

[phrazbit]

At this point even Utah's Quinn Snyder looks better. They may suck but their fans love that he's actually playing guys like Gobert, Exum, Hayward, Burke, Favors etc instead of stacking them on the bench for mediocre veterans who don't have much promise.

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Hayward and Favors are in their second contracts. Comparisons on our team to them would be Bledsoe and Markieff. Gobert came out the same time as Len and plays three more minutes a game this year. Burke plays more than Goodwin but was taken 20 spots higher in the draft, so that's expected. Exum plays more than Warren, but again, he was taken 9 spots higher. Knight is still in his rookie contract, so has been in the league fewer years than Hayward or Favors, and of course it makes sense to play him over Goodwin since he is a near all star (and Dragic too over Goodwin, after being 3rd team all nba). But with Knight out, Goodwin IS getting extra time.

I'd like to see Warren play more, but most everyone else is getting the proper amount of time.

Get out of here with your facts!!! Clearly there is a plot against our young guys and Hornacek despises them all!

[MrMiyagi]

According to an NBA2K draft that someone made, there are 12 players with superstar potential and we have the 14th pick We should've tanked the year away. HORNACEK!!!!!!!!!!

[JMac1]

I'd like to see Warren play more, but most everyone else is getting the proper amount of time.

Me too, but some here really enjoy them some PJ hustling Tucker

[bwgood77]

I'd like to see Warren play more, but most everyone else is getting the proper amount of time.

Me too, but some here really enjoy them some PJ hustling Tucker

I like Tucker, but he's probably more of the guy to be playing with 3-4 stars, like what Tony Allen did for Memphis when he started with Conley, Randolph and Gasol.

With our team, he might be a good spark off the bench who hustles when needed, like Lou did for us.

[Cutter]

At this point even Utah's Quinn Snyder looks better. They may suck but their fans love that he's actually playing guys like Gobert, Exum, Hayward, Burke, Favors etc instead of stacking them on the bench for mediocre veterans who don't have much promise.

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Hayward and Favors are in their second contracts. Comparisons on our team to them would be Bledsoe and Markieff. Gobert came out the same time as Len and plays three more minutes a game this year. Burke plays more than Goodwin but was taken 20 spots higher in the draft, so that's expected. Exum plays more than Warren, but again, he was taken 9 spots higher. Knight is still in his rookie contract, so has been in the league fewer years than Hayward or Favors, and of course it makes sense to play him over Goodwin since he is a near all star (and Dragic too over Goodwin, after being 3rd team all nba). But with Knight out, Goodwin IS getting extra time.

I'd like to see Warren play more, but most everyone else is getting the proper amount of time.

Nice, even keeled analysis. These kinds of posts make this board a fun place to hang out.

[MrMiyagi]

At this point even Utah's Quinn Snyder looks better. They may suck but their fans love that he's actually playing guys like Gobert, Exum, Hayward, Burke, Favors etc instead of stacking them on the bench for mediocre veterans who don't have much promise.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1377742#start_here

Hayward and Favors are in their second contracts. Comparisons on our team to them would be Bledsoe and Markieff. Gobert came out the same time as Len and plays three more minutes a game this year. Burke plays more than Goodwin but was taken 20 spots higher in the draft, so that's expected. Exum plays more than Warren, but again, he was taken 9 spots higher. Knight is still in his rookie contract, so has been in the league fewer years than Hayward or Favors, and of course it makes sense to play him over Goodwin since he is a near all star (and Dragic too over Goodwin, after being 3rd team all nba). But with Knight out, Goodwin IS getting extra time.

I'd like to see Warren play more, but most everyone else is getting the proper amount of time.

Nice, even keeled analysis. These kinds of posts make this board a fun place to hang out.

Posts like this are just lies fed to us by The Suns' PR firm to keep those of us who really know what they're up to seem like we're crazy! They're just trying to make it seem like we're in a good situation with youth and potential, when we're really running the treadmill with no hope of making the playoffs. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!

But seriously, good job BW, keeping the board look like it is occupied by sane people

[JMac1]

And the point of the post is what? Every last player on Utah that he compared our players to are better and plus they have no PJ's, Green's, or Mo Bros taking up major time. Hell, you forgot to mention that rookie Rodney Hood whom seems to be playing more than Warren and he was drafted after Warren .

LMAO. We are supposed to be happy that Utah has a better and younger team than us or understand this master plan that the Suns have and we are just to dumb to conceive it? We are supposed to be happy that Utah was not trying to play journey men players (got rid of Jefferson, Watson, Mo Williams and other has been) to ensure the young guys start playing from the beginning and none of that "oh, he has to earn his spot" crap, because it my spoil him, plus PJ is GOD; got rid of Kanter so Rudy could play MORE minutes, three minutes or whatever.

Yea, you guys keep buying what the Suns' are selling and don't hold them accountable because they run the team and are beyond reproach because we are all dumb fans and couldn't spot a basketball player because we aren't coaches or management. Yea let them tell us who should be playing, because they know better. Just because they can, don't make them right.

Btw, Utah is running things right now with all of those 1 and 2 years players (Gobert,Exum, Hood, and Burke) while we are looking foolish.

And Hayward is better than Bledsoe and Favors is better than Markieff, btw, how did they get all of those players?

Keep up the good work Suns.

Summation: start Warren and keep playing Goodwin-which only happened because Knight got hurt-. You have to be kidding me, effing Green, Marcus, PJ, and Thronton were/are playing more than the rook and Archie before Knight's injury


.....kiss my arse on that garbage.

[NavLDO]

At this point even Utah's Quinn Snyder looks better. They may suck but their fans love that he's actually playing guys like Gobert, Exum, Hayward, Burke, Favors etc instead of stacking them on the bench for mediocre veterans who don't have much promise.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1377742#start_here

Hayward and Favors are in their second contracts. Comparisons on our team to them would be Bledsoe and Markieff. Gobert came out the same time as Len and plays three more minutes a game this year. Burke plays more than Goodwin but was taken 20 spots higher in the draft, so that's expected. Exum plays more than Warren, but again, he was taken 9 spots higher. Knight is still in his rookie contract, so has been in the league fewer years than Hayward or Favors, and of course it makes sense to play him over Goodwin since he is a near all star (and Dragic too over Goodwin, after being 3rd team all nba). But with Knight out, Goodwin IS getting extra time.

I'd like to see Warren play more, but most everyone else is getting the proper amount of time.

Not understanding the hate Tucker keeps getting. Yes, Warren is our future, but it't not like Tucker isn't playing well. Fans keep saying they want Harris, Leonard, or Butler. Well, let's look:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... 01&p5=&p6=

Tucker leads them all in 2PT% and TOs, and is 2nd in TS% and Rebounding. He doesn't shoot as often as the others, so he's last in Pts and PER, but other than that, he compares favorably to all three in the other categories like 3PT%, Stl %, etc. So it's not like Tucker is some scrub--he compares very well against guys that are considered well respected and near the top of the league at SF.

[bwgood77]

And the point of the post is what? Every last player on Utah that he compared our players to are better and plus they have no PJ's, Green's, or Mo Bros taking up major time. Hell, you forgot to mention that rookie Rodney Hood whom seems to be playing more than Warren and he was drafted after Warren .

LMAO. We are supposed to be happy that Utah has a better and younger team than us or understand this master plan that the Suns have and we are just to dumb to conceive it? We are supposed to be happy that Utah was not trying to play journey men players (got rid of Jefferson, Watson, Mo Williams and other has been) to ensure the young guys start playing from the beginning and none of that "oh, he has to earn his spot" crap, because it my spoil him, plus PJ is GOD; got rid of Kanter so Rudy could play MORE minutes, three minutes or whatever.

Yea, you guys keep buying what the Suns' are selling and don't hold them accountable because they run the team and are beyond reproach because we are all dumb fans and couldn't spot a basketball player because we aren't coaches or management. Yea let them tell us who should be playing, because they know better. Just because they can, don't make them right.

Btw, Utah is running things right now with all of those 1 and 2 years players (Gobert,Exum, Hood, and Burke) while we are looking foolish.

And Hayward is better than Bledsoe and Favors is better than Markieff, btw, how did they get all of those players?

Keep up the good work Suns.

Summation: start Warren and keep playing Goodwin-which only happened because Knight got hurt-. You have to be kidding me, effing Green, Marcus, PJ, and Thronton were/are playing more than the rook and Archie before Knight's injury


.....kiss my arse on that garbage.

I probably like Utah's young core better than our's, but that's kind of beside the point. The point is, we are playing our 5th year guys just like they are, and it's not like we have a better PF than Kieff to put in. Favors is better, but we don't have a Favors.

We DID trade Plumlee to open up more time for Len, just as Utah traded Kanter to open up time for Gobert.

Bledsoe and Hayward are both young and in their 5th year. Is Hayward better? Probably, but it's not like we are sitting someone who is better than Bledsoe.

We also have Knight, who is on a rookie contract, who starts when healthy. We have one guy that is more than 5 years removed from college playing or starting (Tucker) and I mentioned that I would rather see Warren play more.

No one is saying Utah sucks or they may have a younger brighter future than them, just that we are playing young guys. But I know some believe Goodwin is our future superstar, so I can see why those would want him to play over Bledsoe or Knight, but I don't agree with that.

But again, I'd rather see more of Warren.

There isn't anyone I'd rather see on our team playing PF and C than Kieff and Len or at our guard spots more than Bledsoe and Knight.

You ought to stop putting words in people's mouth and then saying it's garbage, because the garbage is coming from you making bull **** up.

[MrMiyagi]

And the point of the post is what? Every last player on Utah that he compared our players to are better and plus they have no PJ's, Green's, or Mo Bros taking up major time. Hell, you forgot to mention that rookie Rodney Hood whom seems to be playing more than Warren and he was drafted after Warren .

LMAO. We are supposed to be happy that Utah has a better and younger team than us or understand this master plan that the Suns have and we are just to dumb to conceive it? We are supposed to be happy that Utah was not trying to play journey men players (got rid of Jefferson, Watson, Mo Williams and other has been) to ensure the young guys start playing from the beginning and none of that "oh, he has to earn his spot" crap, because it my spoil him, plus PJ is GOD; got rid of Kanter so Rudy could play MORE minutes, three minutes or whatever.

Yea, you guys keep buying what the Suns' are selling and don't hold them accountable because they run the team and are beyond reproach because we are all dumb fans and couldn't spot a basketball player because we aren't coaches or management. Yea let them tell us who should be playing, because they know better. Just because they can, don't make them right.

Btw, Utah is running things right now with all of those 1 and 2 years players (Gobert,Exum, Hood, and Burke) while we are looking foolish.

And Hayward is better than Bledsoe and Favors is better than Markieff, btw, how did they get all of those players?

Keep up the good work Suns.

Summation: start Warren and keep playing Goodwin-which only happened because Knight got hurt-. You have to be kidding me, effing Green, Marcus, PJ, and Thronton were/are playing more than the rook and Archie before Knight's injury


.....kiss my arse on that garbage.

I probably like Utah's young core better than our's, but that's kind of beside the point. The point is, we are playing our 5th year guys just like they are, and it's not like we have a better PF than Kieff to put in. Favors is better, but we don't have a Favors.

We DID trade Plumlee to open up more time for Len, just as Utah traded Kanter to open up time for Gobert.

Bledsoe and Hayward are both young and in their 5th year. Is Hayward better? Probably, but it's not like we are sitting someone who is better than Bledsoe.

We also have Knight, who is on a rookie contract, who starts when healthy. We have one guy that is more than 5 years removed from college playing or starting (Tucker) and I mentioned that I would rather see Warren play more.

No one is saying Utah sucks or they may have a younger brighter future than them, just that we are playing young guys. But I know some believe Goodwin is our future superstar, so I can see why those would want him to play over Bledsoe or Knight, but I don't agree with that.

But again, I'd rather see more of Warren.

There isn't anyone I'd rather see on our team playing PF and C than Kieff and Len or at our guard spots more than Bledsoe and Knight.

You ought to stop putting words in people's mouth and then saying it's garbage, because the garbage is coming from you making bull **** up.

Too much sense. Does not compute!