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kid needs to be in the conversation for the #1 pick, I think he can come in right away & have a rookie year Kyrie Irving type impact
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nickforthreee wrote:kid needs to be in the conversation for the #1 pick, I think he can come in right away & have a rookie year Kyrie Irving type impact
His ceiling is crazy but you can't pass on a franchise big for a guard considering how much more common star guards are than star bigs. If Russ was in most other recent drafts he'd probably be the top pick IMO.
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E-Balla wrote:nickforthreee wrote:kid needs to be in the conversation for the #1 pick, I think he can come in right away & have a rookie year Kyrie Irving type impact
His ceiling is crazy but you can't pass on a franchise big for a guard considering how much more common star guards are than star bigs. If Russ was in most other recent drafts he'd probably be the top pick IMO.
Are star shooting guards really that common?
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His handles looked pretty damn on point tonight. Shannon Scott is a pretty good distributor so I think for his team it's best to play him at the 2, but I wonder what kind of damage he could do if he was playing the 1 all year.
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Zeitgeister wrote:E-Balla wrote:nickforthreee wrote:kid needs to be in the conversation for the #1 pick, I think he can come in right away & have a rookie year Kyrie Irving type impact
His ceiling is crazy but you can't pass on a franchise big for a guard considering how much more common star guards are than star bigs. If Russ was in most other recent drafts he'd probably be the top pick IMO.
Are star shooting guards really that common?
He's a PG (even if he played SG he'd have the ball in his hands as a primary playmaker like Harden, Curry, Westbrook, etc) and star guards are insanely common. It's the strongest position in the league by far.
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HeartBreakKid wrote:E-Balla wrote:HeartBreakKid wrote:
Er...what? Stephen Curry is one of the finest passers I've ever seen. He has always been a great passer.
I can name 5 better playing in the league right now off the top of my head. Rondo, Chris Paul, Ricky Rubio, John Wall, and Jeff Teague. I could probably keep going. Curry is great at a lot of things but compared to other starting NBA PGs Curry is around average. If he's one of the best you've ever seen you must've only watched Golden State games over the last 7 years (because if you go back 8 years you would've seen Baron Davis).
Jeff...Teague? Sorry, can't say much with that. Seeing both those guys play, Curry can make any type of pass, he might not be amongst the best playmakers, but actual passing ability is way above someone like Teague.
I don't really get the Baron Davis comment, I said amongst the finest, didn't say he was the finest. Reading this post, it seems like you think I said best or something. I mean Rubio, Rondo and Paul? They would also be amongst the finest passers I've seen. Putting Jeff Teague in the same breath as them is just bizarre to me, maybe I've been missing something with Teague.
Stephen Curry 7.9 APG 6th in the NBA (33 MPG)
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Both are some of the best passers in the league.
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Excited to see him go against Rondae Hollis-Jefferson Saturday. Best player Rondae has guarded this year. Must watch tv.
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E-Balla wrote:Zeitgeister wrote:E-Balla wrote:His ceiling is crazy but you can't pass on a franchise big for a guard considering how much more common star guards are than star bigs. If Russ was in most other recent drafts he'd probably be the top pick IMO.
Are star shooting guards really that common?
He's a PG (even if he played SG he'd have the ball in his hands as a primary playmaker like Harden, Curry, Westbrook, etc) and star guards are insanely common. It's the strongest position in the league by far.
That proves nothing. If anything it leads to the fact that star PG's are leading some of the best teams in the NBA. There are 32 PG spots in the NBA. How common is that Stars are at the position. Cousins is an Star Big and look at his team. Same goes for Davis. Town nor OK4 strike me as leaders. They simply look like players. Russell plays like a leader. Being Able to get at player at only 19 with his skill set is far from being common.
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nickforthreee wrote:kid needs to be in the conversation for the #1 pick, I think he can come in right away & have a rookie year Kyrie Irving type impact
He's impressive, but scoring wise Kyrie was on another level in college.
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WeNeverLeftAZ wrote:Excited to see him go against Rondae Hollis-Jefferson Saturday. Best player Rondae has guarded this year. Must watch tv.
So am i, first zona game ill watch lol. I really like rondae hollis for the Bucks as a 6th man.
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Arizona is gonna take him out Saturday. The kid is going to be a great player but Arizona will shut him down for sure. I remember watching MSU suffocate him to death earlier in the season as well. That's going to be a great game though for some scouting junkies with Johnson and Russell out there.
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Russell and Towns are the clear cut 1 and 2 for me.
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Dcebucks11 wrote:nickforthreee wrote:kid needs to be in the conversation for the #1 pick, I think he can come in right away & have a rookie year Kyrie Irving type impact
He's impressive, but scoring wise Kyrie was on another level in college.
No he wasnt.
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Upperclass wrote:Dcebucks11 wrote:nickforthreee wrote:kid needs to be in the conversation for the #1 pick, I think he can come in right away & have a rookie year Kyrie Irving type impact
He's impressive, but scoring wise Kyrie was on another level in college.
No he wasnt.
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How is that not another level? 25 points per 40 (Russ is at 23) on 70 TS (Russ is at 59). I know it was 11 games but it was 11 perfect games - not a single bad one in the bunch even though he worked himself back from.injury in the NCAA tournament.
IllmaticHandler wrote:E-Balla wrote:Zeitgeister wrote:
Are star shooting guards really that common?
He's a PG (even if he played SG he'd have the ball in his hands as a primary playmaker like Harden, Curry, Westbrook, etc) and star guards are insanely common. It's the strongest position in the league by far.
That proves nothing. If anything it leads to the fact that star PG's are leading some of the best teams in the NBA. There are 32 PG spots in the NBA. How common is that Stars are at the position. Cousins is an Star Big and look at his team. Same goes for Davis. Town nor OK4 strike me as leaders. They simply look like players. Russell plays like a leader. Being Able to get at player at only 19 with his skill set is far from being common.
You literally named the only two star bigs to make your point. On the other hand there's Lillard, Kyrie, Westbrook, Curry, Harden, Wade, etc. The league is full of lead guards but there's only one true great low post big and one other young star big. You can't be serious right now.
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To me, Russell looks like the next guy the replace Kobe in LA LA Land
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E-Balla wrote:Upperclass wrote:Dcebucks11 wrote:
He's impressive, but scoring wise Kyrie was on another level in college.
No he wasnt.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player ... game_stats
How is that not another level? 25 points per 40 (Russ is at 23) on 70 TS (Russ is at 59). I know it was 11 games but it was 11 perfect games - not a single bad one in the bunch even though he worked himself back from.injury in the NCAA tournament.IllmaticHandler wrote:E-Balla wrote:He's a PG (even if he played SG he'd have the ball in his hands as a primary playmaker like Harden, Curry, Westbrook, etc) and star guards are insanely common. It's the strongest position in the league by far.
That proves nothing. If anything it leads to the fact that star PG's are leading some of the best teams in the NBA. There are 32 PG spots in the NBA. How common is that Stars are at the position. Cousins is an Star Big and look at his team. Same goes for Davis. Town nor OK4 strike me as leaders. They simply look like players. Russell plays like a leader. Being Able to get at player at only 19 with his skill set is far from being common.
You literally named the only two star bigs to make your point. On the other hand there's Lillard, Kyrie, Westbrook, Curry, Harden, Wade, etc. The league is full of lead guards but there's only one true great low post big and one other young star big. You can't be serious right now.
you call six players out of the 32 full of? LOL. So there is 26 teams without a STAR point guard. Thats not full of by no means. Come on Son. Towns is not even Andre Drummond Stop it.... Eddie Cury was a low post beast, dont mean I want him as my franchise big. So what OK4 has a post game...dude is stiff and weak on defense. Low post dont mean nothing, if the rest of your game is kinda weak.
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sweetcity wrote:To me, Russell looks like the next guy the replace Kobe in LA LA Land
I think is the best fit for him as well, Mudiay in Philly, Okafor in NY, Towns in Minnesota.
I hope it ends up that way.
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IllmaticHandler wrote:E-Balla wrote:How is that not another level? 25 points per 40 (Russ is at 23) on 70 TS (Russ is at 59). I know it was 11 games but it was 11 perfect games - not a single bad one in the bunch even though he worked himself back from.injury in the NCAA tournament.IllmaticHandler wrote:
That proves nothing. If anything it leads to the fact that star PG's are leading some of the best teams in the NBA. There are 32 PG spots in the NBA. How common is that Stars are at the position. Cousins is an Star Big and look at his team. Same goes for Davis. Town nor OK4 strike me as leaders. They simply look like players. Russell plays like a leader. Being Able to get at player at only 19 with his skill set is far from being common.
You literally named the only two star bigs to make your point. On the other hand there's Lillard, Kyrie, Westbrook, Curry, Harden, Wade, etc. The league is full of lead guards but there's only one true great low post big and one other young star big. You can't be serious right now.
you call six players out of the 32 full of? LOL. So there is 26 teams without a STAR point guard. Thats not full of by no means. Come on Son. Towns is not even Andre Drummond Stop it.... Eddie Cury was a low post beast, dont mean I want him as my franchise big. So what OK4 has a post game...dude is stiff and weak on defense. Low post dont mean nothing, if the rest of your game is kinda weak.
You don't even know how many NBA teams there are man you can't be serious right now.
And Eddy Curry wasn't a low post monster. He couldn't pass, he turned the ball over at a super high rate, and he was out of shape 99% of the time. The last low post monster we had in the league was Yao and he played on defensive teams and still wasn't as good as Okafor looks offensively (no freshman big has ever averaged over 15 ppg in a major conference and had a FG% higher than Okafor's). I don't even want to continue this if you think comparing Towns (who is 81% from the freethrow line and 42% on 2 point jumpers - both higher than D'angelo Russell) and Drummond makes any type of sense.
PS - There's only 30 teams in the NBA.
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E-Balla wrote:IllmaticHandler wrote:E-Balla wrote:How is that not another level? 25 points per 40 (Russ is at 23) on 70 TS (Russ is at 59). I know it was 11 games but it was 11 perfect games - not a single bad one in the bunch even though he worked himself back from.injury in the NCAA tournament.
You literally named the only two star bigs to make your point. On the other hand there's Lillard, Kyrie, Westbrook, Curry, Harden, Wade, etc. The league is full of lead guards but there's only one true great low post big and one other young star big. You can't be serious right now.
you call six players out of the 32 full of? LOL. So there is 26 teams without a STAR point guard. Thats not full of by no means. Come on Son. Towns is not even Andre Drummond Stop it.... Eddie Cury was a low post beast, dont mean I want him as my franchise big. So what OK4 has a post game...dude is stiff and weak on defense. Low post dont mean nothing, if the rest of your game is kinda weak.
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Are you serious? I only named 6 guys (learn the meaning of etc.) but there's at least two more in Goran Dragic and Tony Parker. That's literally 8 players not counting up and coming guys like Oladipo, Bledsoe, possibly (I don't see it but others do) Brandon Knight, Emmanuel Mudiay (in the same draft), and a few others. Scoring guards are the most common type of All Star caliber player we have right now.
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And Eddy Curry wasn't a low post monster. He couldn't pass, he turned the ball over at a super high rate, and he was out of shape 99% of the time. The last low post monster we had in the league was Yao and he played on defensive teams and still wasn't as good as Okafor looks offensively (no freshman big has ever averaged over 15 ppg in a major conference and had a FG% higher than Okafor's). I don't even want to continue this if you think comparing Towns (who is 81% from the freethrow line and 42% on 2 point jumpers - both higher than D'angelo Russell) and Drummond makes any type of sense.
PS - There's only 30 teams in the NBA.
PSS - Check the double negatives bro.
lol.Its okay I had a brain fart with the NFL by mistake. But your REACHING naming bledsoe and Oldapio. You also reaching naming old ass players like wade and parker . This is all about Young PROVEN stars at PG.Bledsoe is not a PG by no means...he is a short two guard. "Etc" does not help you my man..."etc" does not even add 10 more players to even give you HALF of the 30 teams. Learn what full of means,if I have to learn what etc means LOL. Curry was a Beast in the low post. We not arguing wether he could pass. We are arguing could he score on the block at a good rate, and he was nice on the Block regardless to whom or what. Dont switch your argument to scoring guards when we are specifically talking about PG's here. Point blank...all star level PG's are not common in the NBA. Star Bigs are not either, but there has been waaaaay more busts at Bigs than there have been at PG's in the last 15 years.


