Official Free Agent Thread: What to do with our cap space

[NavLDO]

Anyone else on the Jimmy Butler bandwagon? I'd throw all the money at him.

Yeah, he's a stud, but I don't think we have the money and Chicago would be crazy not to keep him.

If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't we have close to enough to offer 2 rookie max deals? Definitely 1 at least. I say force Chicago's hand. Offer a max and poison pill it. Bulls are not fans of going over the cap and this could make it tricky for them.

If not him, go for Leonard with the same offer idea.

But I'll bring up again, why would/are we targeting SFs with Warren, Tucker, Bullock, Granger and Marcus on the team? The only way I'm going after Butler or Leonard or Harris if I'm McD is, if we are dealing at least four of the names above, and not re-signing Green. Or dedicating Bullock to SG and Marcus to PF, and even then, what are we doing with Warren? He's not a 'tweener' in any sense--he's not playing SG or PF. If we sign Butler or Leonard or Harris, we'd have to trade Warren, revert Tucker to 2nd team, and even then, that leaves what, 5-10 minutes a game for Granger? Otherwise, we've just wasted a lottery pick on Warren, because he's not going to get any burn with those guys ahead of him.

I understand that if a star is available, you go after him if funds allow. I'm not arguing that, but if you are advocating signing one of those three, as I've seen a lot on this forum, then also provide a plan for opening up our SF position, because right now, we are 'overstaffed' as it is at that position. And then we'd need to turn the other guys into assets for an upgrade at PF.

[bwgood77]

Yeah, he's a stud, but I don't think we have the money and Chicago would be crazy not to keep him.

If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't we have close to enough to offer 2 rookie max deals? Definitely 1 at least. I say force Chicago's hand. Offer a max and poison pill it. Bulls are not fans of going over the cap and this could make it tricky for them.

If not him, go for Leonard with the same offer idea.

But I'll bring up again, why would/are we targeting SFs with Warren, Tucker, Bullock, Granger and Marcus on the team? The only way I'm going after Butler or Leonard or Harris if I'm McD is, if we are dealing at least four of the names above, and not re-signing Green. Or dedicating Bullock to SG and Marcus to PF, and even then, what are we doing with Warren? He's not a 'tweener' in any sense--he's not playing SG or PF. If we sign Butler or Leonard or Harris, we'd have to trade Warren, revert Tucker to 2nd team, and even then, that leaves what, 5-10 minutes a game for Granger? Otherwise, we've just wasted a lottery pick on Warren, because he's not going to get any burn with those guys ahead of him.

I understand that if a star is available, you go after him if funds allow. I'm not arguing that, but if you are advocating signing one of those three, as I've seen a lot on this forum, then also provide a plan for opening up our SF position, because right now, we are 'overstaffed' as it is at that position. And then we'd need to turn the other guys into assets for an upgrade at PF.

Yeah, no reason to. Warren could break out just as these other guys did which are demanding the max (and won't be available anyway). And Warren is on a rookie deal. We need to get him playing time.

[Saberestar]

The last few games we have seen what can bring to our team Brandan Wright. He is a serious and smart player that is unselfish and plays good defense. We need a guy like that on our team for the next few years, he doesn't need the ball to be effective and he can play PF or C.
If Alex Len is going to be our starting C, we need someone like Wright on the roster, because Len is injury -prone and very young.
I think he will demand something around $28M/ 4 years, and we have to pay him. He can be an important player on a contender team.

[In Len We Trust]

I really wish Horny would at least try out a Wright-Len frontcourt. For some reason he tried out Wright-Plumlee many times but I don't think we've ever seen Wright-Len. With all that length I can't think of any reason to not give it a try at the very least. Maybe it can be something that ends up being successful for years to come.

[ShawnBronald]

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[In Len We Trust]

I don't know anything about Price, I've only heard of his name. However, he averaged 10.5 PPG in about 19 MPG on 43% shooting for the Pacers. Sounds like he isn't just some D League scrub.

[Saberestar]

A.J. Price is a good option like a third PG. He is a good scorer, coachable and can be an important role player if Knigh is out for an extended period of time. Better player than Curry at this point by far. We needed some depth at PG, Goodwin is clearly an SG.

Here some highlights. ...http://www.nba.com/pacers/aj-price-season-highlights

[kennydorglas]

I'd like to give a chance to Stockton's son... he's tearing it up on D-League

[MrMiyagi]

If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't we have close to enough to offer 2 rookie max deals? Definitely 1 at least. I say force Chicago's hand. Offer a max and poison pill it. Bulls are not fans of going over the cap and this could make it tricky for them.

If not him, go for Leonard with the same offer idea.

But I'll bring up again, why would/are we targeting SFs with Warren, Tucker, Bullock, Granger and Marcus on the team? The only way I'm going after Butler or Leonard or Harris if I'm McD is, if we are dealing at least four of the names above, and not re-signing Green. Or dedicating Bullock to SG and Marcus to PF, and even then, what are we doing with Warren? He's not a 'tweener' in any sense--he's not playing SG or PF. If we sign Butler or Leonard or Harris, we'd have to trade Warren, revert Tucker to 2nd team, and even then, that leaves what, 5-10 minutes a game for Granger? Otherwise, we've just wasted a lottery pick on Warren, because he's not going to get any burn with those guys ahead of him.

I understand that if a star is available, you go after him if funds allow. I'm not arguing that, but if you are advocating signing one of those three, as I've seen a lot on this forum, then also provide a plan for opening up our SF position, because right now, we are 'overstaffed' as it is at that position. And then we'd need to turn the other guys into assets for an upgrade at PF.

I brought him up because I think he can play the 2 and he's a really good defender. I think we could run a lineup of Bled/Butler/Warren or Bled/Goodwin/Butler depending on who develops (looking like TJ will get there first). A Bled-Butler back court would be a good pair of perimeter defenders and Len is looking like he could become a pretty good rim protector. I think we can all agree that Defense is more of a concern than offense for this team. An upgrade at power forward would be welcome, but I don't know who that would be.

[Saberestar]

Butler and Leonard will get a Max contract from their teams, they are young All Star players and their teams are contenders...I think we don't have any chance.

[Cutter]

I really wish Horny would at least try out a Wright-Len frontcourt. For some reason he tried out Wright-Plumlee many times but I don't think we've ever seen Wright-Len. With all that length I can't think of any reason to not give it a try at the very least. Maybe it can be something that ends up being successful for years to come.

I don't remember which game it was, but Hornacek played a Len-Wright combo for about 10 minutes at the end of the game. I think Markieff fouled out or something. I thought the combo worked very well defensively, while the 3 headed point guard hydra scored the points. As I recall we won the game handily with a solid balance of defense and scoring.

[RunDogGun]

I'd like to give a chance to Stockton's son... he's tearing it up on D-League

I brought him up not too long ago, in a half joking way. Although I thought he would be picked up by now, it seemed logical that either us or Utah would pick him up.

[Frank Lee]

considering very few FAs will want to play for Mo, Larry, and Curly, there is no point to waste money over paying for more marginal scraps.

I look for one option to be selling high on Bled, scuttling the MoBros, and create a very lean payroll with a roster full of youngsters. May be try a true rebuild for a change.

These stooges need a PR make over... from roster to arena

[JMac1]

considering very few FAs will want to play for Mo, Larry, and Curly, there is no point to waste money over paying for more marginal scraps.

I look for one option to be selling high on Bled, scuttling the MoBros, and create a very lean payroll with a roster full of youngsters. May be try a true rebuild for a change.

These stooges need a PR make over... from roster to arena

Don't tell Rundog and Myagi this......They will have a hizzy.

Dang, I agreed with Frank on two consecutive posts.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Bledsoe, Knight, Harris, Morris, Len or

Start over with 3 x top 5 picks.

[Frank Lee]

We can't be the only ones

[NavLDO]

If I'm not mistaken, wouldn't we have close to enough to offer 2 rookie max deals? Definitely 1 at least. I say force Chicago's hand. Offer a max and poison pill it. Bulls are not fans of going over the cap and this could make it tricky for them.

If not him, go for Leonard with the same offer idea.

But I'll bring up again, why would/are we targeting SFs with Warren, Tucker, Bullock, Granger and Marcus on the team? The only way I'm going after Butler or Leonard or Harris if I'm McD is, if we are dealing at least four of the names above, and not re-signing Green. Or dedicating Bullock to SG and Marcus to PF, and even then, what are we doing with Warren? He's not a 'tweener' in any sense--he's not playing SG or PF. If we sign Butler or Leonard or Harris, we'd have to trade Warren, revert Tucker to 2nd team, and even then, that leaves what, 5-10 minutes a game for Granger? Otherwise, we've just wasted a lottery pick on Warren, because he's not going to get any burn with those guys ahead of him.

I understand that if a star is available, you go after him if funds allow. I'm not arguing that, but if you are advocating signing one of those three, as I've seen a lot on this forum, then also provide a plan for opening up our SF position, because right now, we are 'overstaffed' as it is at that position. And then we'd need to turn the other guys into assets for an upgrade at PF.

I brought him up because I think he can play the 2 and he's a really good defender. I think we could run a lineup of Bled/Butler/Warren or Bled/Goodwin/Butler depending on who develops (looking like TJ will get there first). A Bled-Butler back court would be a good pair of perimeter defenders and Len is looking like he could become a pretty good rim protector. I think we can all agree that Defense is more of a concern than offense for this team. An upgrade at power forward would be welcome, but I don't know who that would be.

Fair enough. As long as he's brought in to play the 2, then fine. I just think we need to thin out our SF spot before we bring in more, is all I was saying. If we had a rotation at the 2 of Bled/Butler/Bullock (I think Bled should play the 2 and let Knight run the point next season after he gets a full off-season with us). Then continue to develop Goodwin at PG, if possible, move Mook from 3 to 4, and Kieff from 4 to 5, and have Wright start at the 4. So, I wouldn't mind seeing the following:

Knight/Goodwin
Bledsoe/Butler/Bullock
Warren/Tucker/Granger
Wright/Mook/(FA or Rookie)
Len/Kieff/(FA or Rookie)

Hard to show on a depth chart, but basically, always have at least two of the three on the floor at all times between Bledsoe, Knight, and Butler, so when Butler's on the floor, Knight or Bled plays PG, but when Knights on the floor, Bledsoe or Butler play the 2, or something to that effect.

[RunDogGun]

considering very few FAs will want to play for Mo, Larry, and Curly, there is no point to waste money over paying for more marginal scraps.

I look for one option to be selling high on Bled, scuttling the MoBros, and create a very lean payroll with a roster full of youngsters. May be try a true rebuild for a change.

These stooges need a PR make over... from roster to arena

Don't tell Rundog and Myagi this......They will have a hizzy.

Dang, I agreed with Frank on two consecutive posts.

Hizzy? Drama much?

Frank makes a complete assumption on FA not signing here, which has no facts from players saying anything of the sort, you agree with it? I don't know who this new Frank is, but he is saying the opposite of what he has in the past,but who cares? His option is becoming Philly.

For some reason you seem to like the Philly plan. I think it's stupid. But hey I'm not going to get mad at your assumptions or opinions. But maybe you two should watch some Philly games before you patent that blueprint.

[Qwigglez]

considering very few FAs will want to play for Mo, Larry, and Curly, there is no point to waste money over paying for more marginal scraps.

I look for one option to be selling high on Bled, scuttling the MoBros, and create a very lean payroll with a roster full of youngsters. May be try a true rebuild for a change.

These stooges need a PR make over... from roster to arena

I was thinking along the same lines as you, but with the cap projected to jump up extremely high, MoBros/Bled would have a damn good contract. More asset than liability, so we would need to get a damn good return on those guys.

[JMac1]

For some reason you seem to like the Philly plan. I think it's stupid. But hey I'm not going to get mad at your assumptions or opinions. But maybe you two should watch some Philly games before you patent that blueprint.

No..... GS or the Utah plan. We tried/are trying the Houston plan, but no one is dying to come to Phoenix. Btw, I never bring up OKC, because they go soooo lucky with Westbrook and Durant.

Knight, Len, and Warren are my keepers, period. I was an Archie fan, but his handles are questionable. I like the Len and Wright starting 4 and 5, but I want a pure SG for Bledsoe, definitely don't want to suck, but I am not afraid to suck going with a line-up of

Knight
Bogdonovic
Warren
Wright
Len

for a year to see what those guys have instead of the Mo Bros and Tucker and Green and Thorton.