Towns or Okafor or Mudiay or Russel?

[kingquan316]

Cousins has never been to the first round of the playoffs. Saying he gets us to the second round is overly optimistic in my opinion.

Cousins has never had any real secondary talent around him.

Certainly no one like Melo

That's the lamest excuse of all time. Who did Melo have all those years in Denver when he made the playoffs? Dirk has gone countless years with players not as good as Melo, and made the playoffs every single year. Who does Anthony Davis have, and he is contending for a playoff spot.

Sacramento hasn't never won even 30 games. 30 GAMES!!!! 30 GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with Boogie Cousins.

He's a career loser. I have to question anyone's mental capacity that wants to bring that cancer to this team.

I don't think Cousins could be the main guy on a contending team. U would think so with his stat line , but for some reason when I see him I don't see a leader. Now as a secondary all star, I think he can thrive, and help a contending team. Pair him with Melo, I think Knicks could be a contender if they fill out the team with good pieces.

[Sark]

Cousins has never had any real secondary talent around him.

Certainly no one like Melo

That's the lamest excuse of all time. Who did Melo have all those years in Denver when he made the playoffs? Dirk has gone countless years with players not as good as Melo, and made the playoffs every single year. Who does Anthony Davis have, and he is contending for a playoff spot.

Sacramento hasn't never won even 30 games. 30 GAMES!!!! 30 GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with Boogie Cousins.

He's a career loser. I have to question anyone's mental capacity that wants to bring that cancer to this team.

I don't think Cousins could be the main guy on a contending team. U would think so with his stat line , but for some reason when I see him I don't see a leader. Now as a secondary all star, I think he can thrive, and help a contending team. Pair him with Melo, I think Knicks could be a contender if they fill out the team with good pieces.

Melo has a bum knee, and according to this forum he needs "veteran leadership". Now we wanna pair him with a young fragile mind named "Boogie", and that's somehow gonna lead us to promised land?

There's a better chance this pairing turns into Marbury/Francis than it does Clyde/Monroe.

[Jkam31]

This is how I predict things will go down:

1) The Knicks will draft one of these guys.
2) Knicks fans will look at him as the second coming of Patrick Ewing throughout the offseason.
3) He will not play to most peoples' expectation after 82 games.
4)Fans will turn on him.

or

1) The Knicks will draft one of these guys.
2) They will trade him for a player like Demarcus Cousins.
3) Some Knicks fans will be disappointed but the majority will have the Knicks winning the NBA championship.
4) The player they drafted will turn into a legit superstar on another team while the Knicks get eliminated in the second round.
5) Knicks fans will demand that Phil Jackson be fired.

Cousins has never been to the first round of the playoffs. Saying he gets us to the second round is overly optimistic in my opinion.

I'm gonna ignore the fact that we won't trade cousins under any circumstance. But cousins in the east my god. What he would do to the front courts over there wouldn't be fair.


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[Sark]

This is how I predict things will go down:

1) The Knicks will draft one of these guys.
2) Knicks fans will look at him as the second coming of Patrick Ewing throughout the offseason.
3) He will not play to most peoples' expectation after 82 games.
4)Fans will turn on him.

or

1) The Knicks will draft one of these guys.
2) They will trade him for a player like Demarcus Cousins.
3) Some Knicks fans will be disappointed but the majority will have the Knicks winning the NBA championship.
4) The player they drafted will turn into a legit superstar on another team while the Knicks get eliminated in the second round.
5) Knicks fans will demand that Phil Jackson be fired.

Cousins has never been to the first round of the playoffs. Saying he gets us to the second round is overly optimistic in my opinion.

I'm gonna ignore the fact that we won't trade cousins under any circumstance. But cousins in the east my god. What he would do to the front courts over there wouldn't be fair.


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Using that line of thinking, then Melo should be destroying the east.

Oh wait, he's not. He missed the playoffs the last 2 years in fact.

[kingquan316]

That's the lamest excuse of all time. Who did Melo have all those years in Denver when he made the playoffs? Dirk has gone countless years with players not as good as Melo, and made the playoffs every single year. Who does Anthony Davis have, and he is contending for a playoff spot.

Sacramento hasn't never won even 30 games. 30 GAMES!!!! 30 GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with Boogie Cousins.

He's a career loser. I have to question anyone's mental capacity that wants to bring that cancer to this team.

I don't think Cousins could be the main guy on a contending team. U would think so with his stat line , but for some reason when I see him I don't see a leader. Now as a secondary all star, I think he can thrive, and help a contending team. Pair him with Melo, I think Knicks could be a contender if they fill out the team with good pieces.

Melo has a bum knee, and according to this forum he needs "veteran leadership". Now we wanna pair him with a young fragile mind named "Boogie", and that's somehow gonna lead us to promised land?

There's a better chance this pairing turns into Marbury/Francis than it does Clyde/Monroe.

I think u underestimate Cousins, he isn't some bum, he can be a huge part in a contending team. Going to a new team, and new environment can change some players. Some people said Rasheed Wallace is unreliable, and then he went on to a team that was a good fit for him and won a title. Sure Knicks would need good veterans to teach him how to act more professionally, and that is something Melo hopefully will do, and will continue to grow as a leader himself by learning from Phil and Fish (two of the greatest leaders I have seen as an NBA fan). I wouldn't trade the pick for him though if I had to decide on it today, as I do question his personality. But to say that this team can't get outta the first round, I don't agree with.

[Sark]

I don't think Cousins could be the main guy on a contending team. U would think so with his stat line , but for some reason when I see him I don't see a leader. Now as a secondary all star, I think he can thrive, and help a contending team. Pair him with Melo, I think Knicks could be a contender if they fill out the team with good pieces.

Melo has a bum knee, and according to this forum he needs "veteran leadership". Now we wanna pair him with a young fragile mind named "Boogie", and that's somehow gonna lead us to promised land?

There's a better chance this pairing turns into Marbury/Francis than it does Clyde/Monroe.

I think u underestimate Cousins, he isn't some bum, he can be a huge part in a contending team. Going to a new team, and new environment can change some players. Some people said Rasheed Wallace is unreliable, and then he went on to a team that was a good fit for him and won a title. Sure Knicks would need good veterans to teach him how to act more professionally, and that is something Melo hopefully will do, and will continue to grow as a leader himself by learning from Phil and Fish (two of the greatest leaders I have seen as an NBA fan). I wouldn't trade the pick for him though if I had to decide on it today, as I do question his personality. But to say that this team can't get outta the first round, I don't agree with.

I don't think Cousins is a bum. But I don't think he will go to any new team, and start some winning culture that some people think he will.

Consider this: since 1980 the only 2 players to leave their original drafting team, and win a ring with their new team as the best player, are Lebron and Shaq.

Now if you think Cousins is in the same category as Lebron and Shaq, then by all means, trade the farm for him. I personally have some doubts though. I don't think he is in the same category of player as Lebron and Shaq.

[Sark]

I mean go up and down the list yourself.

Magic, Bird, Isiah, Jordan, Olajuwon, Duncan, Kobe, Wade, Dirk.

If Cousins leaves Sacramento and wins a ring as the main guy somewhere else, then we can mention his name with Shaq and Lebron.

Do you really think he is in the same category as those 2?

[kingquan316]

Melo has a bum knee, and according to this forum he needs "veteran leadership". Now we wanna pair him with a young fragile mind named "Boogie", and that's somehow gonna lead us to promised land?

There's a better chance this pairing turns into Marbury/Francis than it does Clyde/Monroe.

I think u underestimate Cousins, he isn't some bum, he can be a huge part in a contending team. Going to a new team, and new environment can change some players. Some people said Rasheed Wallace is unreliable, and then he went on to a team that was a good fit for him and won a title. Sure Knicks would need good veterans to teach him how to act more professionally, and that is something Melo hopefully will do, and will continue to grow as a leader himself by learning from Phil and Fish (two of the greatest leaders I have seen as an NBA fan). I wouldn't trade the pick for him though if I had to decide on it today, as I do question his personality. But to say that this team can't get outta the first round, I don't agree with.

I don't think Cousins is a bum. But I don't think he will go to any new team, and start some winning culture that some people think he will.

Consider this: since 1980 the only 2 players to leave their original drafting team, and win a ring with their new team as the best player, are Lebron and Shaq.

Now if you think Cousins is in the same category as Lebron and Shaq, then by all means, trade the farm for him. I personally have some doubts though. I don't think he is in the same category of player as Lebron and Shaq.

I don't think he can be the main go to guy on a title team. I think he can be on a title team playing the secondary all star role. Melo would have to be the main guy. Do I think Melo and Cousins would make the team a title contender? Not with just those two, but if they can fill out the roster well, then I think they can be a contender.

But let's be clear, I'm with u at the moment on not trading the pick for him if it's number 1 or 2. I think that with the way the salary cap is gonna be in the next few years, having a potential young all star that the Knicks select in this year's draft on a rookie scale contract is a HUGE asset to have on a team. U basically giving up the pick and the extra money you would have just for Cousins. That isn't appealing to me. Now it depends on the position of the pick, if it's number 4 pick, I would trade that for Cousins. I probably would pass if the Knicks have a shot at either Towns or Cousins. Russell I'm 50/50 on if I rather have him or Cousins.

[IllmaticHandler]

Melo has a bum knee, and according to this forum he needs "veteran leadership". Now we wanna pair him with a young fragile mind named "Boogie", and that's somehow gonna lead us to promised land?

There's a better chance this pairing turns into Marbury/Francis than it does Clyde/Monroe.

I think u underestimate Cousins, he isn't some bum, he can be a huge part in a contending team. Going to a new team, and new environment can change some players. Some people said Rasheed Wallace is unreliable, and then he went on to a team that was a good fit for him and won a title. Sure Knicks would need good veterans to teach him how to act more professionally, and that is something Melo hopefully will do, and will continue to grow as a leader himself by learning from Phil and Fish (two of the greatest leaders I have seen as an NBA fan). I wouldn't trade the pick for him though if I had to decide on it today, as I do question his personality. But to say that this team can't get outta the first round, I don't agree with.

I don't think Cousins is a bum. But I don't think he will go to any new team, and start some winning culture that some people think he will.

Consider this: since 1980 the only 2 players to leave their original drafting team, and win a ring with their new team as the best player, are Lebron and Shaq.

Now if you think Cousins is in the same category as Lebron and Shaq, then by all means, trade the farm for him. I personally have some doubts though. I don't think he is in the same category of player as Lebron and Shaq.

KG was the best player on BOS if you ask me.

[knicks94]

I mean go up and down the list yourself.

Magic, Bird, Isiah, Jordan, Olajuwon, Duncan, Kobe, Wade, Dirk.

If Cousins leaves Sacramento and wins a ring as the main guy somewhere else, then we can mention his name with Shaq and Lebron.

Do you really think he is in the same category as those 2?

People argue that the difference between Cousins and Lebron is that in the years before the latter went to Miami he had a much better supporting cast than Cousins. They contend that Cousins would be leading his team like Lebron did if he wasn't surrounded by such garbage talent.

[GONYK]

I mean go up and down the list yourself.

Magic, Bird, Isiah, Jordan, Olajuwon, Duncan, Kobe, Wade, Dirk.

If Cousins leaves Sacramento and wins a ring as the main guy somewhere else, then we can mention his name with Shaq and Lebron.

Do you really think he is in the same category as those 2?

People argue that the difference between Cousins and Lebron is that in the years before the latter went to Miami he had a much better supporting cast than Cousins. They contend that Cousins would be leading his team like Lebron did if he wasn't surrounded by such garbage talent.

Literally nobody is saying that.

[Wonderllama]

First of all, it's ridiculous to talk about Cousins like he's even available. He's not.

[GONYK]

That's the lamest excuse of all time. Who did Melo have all those years in Denver when he made the playoffs? Dirk has gone countless years with players not as good as Melo, and made the playoffs every single year. Who does Anthony Davis have, and he is contending for a playoff spot.

Sacramento hasn't never won even 30 games. 30 GAMES!!!! 30 GAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! with Boogie Cousins.

He's a career loser. I have to question anyone's mental capacity that wants to bring that cancer to this team.

Who said Cousins has to be the main guy?

But to put an entire franchise's record on one player is beyond silly. There is so much that goes into a winning situation, that people who reduce it to just one player are impossibly illogical.

Cousins has had sh*t management, sh*t coaching, and sh*t teammates. Melo and AD definitely had advantages there.

He's also had his own maturity issues to contribute to that, but he's far and away the best 2-way big in basketball. To say otherwise has no standing right now.

Is Kevin Love now magically a winner because he's going into the playoffs on the 2nd best team in the East?

Also, I'm not advocating trading the pick for him, but to say we won't be a much improved team with him is wild.

[EchelonNYK]

[knicks94]

I mean go up and down the list yourself.

Magic, Bird, Isiah, Jordan, Olajuwon, Duncan, Kobe, Wade, Dirk.

If Cousins leaves Sacramento and wins a ring as the main guy somewhere else, then we can mention his name with Shaq and Lebron.

Do you really think he is in the same category as those 2?

People argue that the difference between Cousins and Lebron is that in the years before the latter went to Miami he had a much better supporting cast than Cousins. They contend that Cousins would be leading his team like Lebron did if he wasn't surrounded by such garbage talent.

Literally nobody is saying that.

How can you say that? Last week I had a debate with a couple of posters who were making that argument.

[JBreezeNY]

Cousins has never been to the first round of the playoffs. Saying he gets us to the second round is overly optimistic in my opinion.

I'm gonna ignore the fact that we won't trade cousins under any circumstance. But cousins in the east my god. What he would do to the front courts over there wouldn't be fair.


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Using that line of thinking, then Melo should be destroying the east.

Oh wait, he's not. He missed the playoffs the last 2 years in fact.

He missed the playoffs?

Not his team but he missed the playoffs.

This is the thing with you & you've done it so many times on this forum, you put the blame & lack of success on the feet of one player and you give the success & accomplishments to only one player. It's laughable how many times I've seen you do this. You even just put up this stat fact about only 2 (actually 3) players who left their teams to win a title as their best player without even acknowledging the fact that the teams they went to were loaded & enabled them to win as the best player and even with that you're not even realizing that Cousins wouldn't be the main guy here.

Everything is so black & white with you, there is no in-between and that's sad.

Circumstances happen and that's not an excuse that's legit, Lebron wouldn't be Lebron if the Cavaliers didn't built their teams around him. If they just said fu*k it let's bring in a bunch of players who don't make Lebron look good, who don't play defense, aren't veterans & don't have good basketball IQ then Lebron would have 40 wins every year & people would be saying well Lebron isn't a winner & Lebron can't lead his teams. Would that be fair? No of course it wouldn't.

So with that same line of thinking you can't lay 30 wins on Cousins and say "30 GAMES!!! 30 GAMES!!!" like his front office, coaching & teammates haven't been incompetent.

This is the same reason why people look down on Kevin Love & won't even give him a fair shake, this sh*t is disgusting.

[GONYK]

People argue that the difference between Cousins and Lebron is that in the years before the latter went to Miami he had a much better supporting cast than Cousins. They contend that Cousins would be leading his team like Lebron did if he wasn't surrounded by such garbage talent.

Literally nobody is saying that.

How can you say that? Last week I had a debate with a couple of posters who were making that argument.

I don't think people are comparing Cousins to Lebron specifically. I think people are comparing Cousins to other successful players, Lebron being one of them.

No one is making the argument that Cousins, by himself, would have the same impact as Lebron. Certainly I'm not.

[blanko]

Ewing struggled before files and checketts .It's not the stars fault if the front office is incompetent.

[BadNewsBarnes]

Can't we trade everyone on the Knicks for draft choices and draft the Kentucky starting 5?

[N Y K]

Lol at Towns flopping game