#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

amcoolio · Post #1881 » by **amcoolio** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 3:18 am

I doubt Biz gets anything above 7M a year. Even though we know his value is big, it doesn't seem to be that way to the rest of the NBA.

I'd love to lock him into a 4 year 20 million dollar deal.

Braggins · Post #1882 » by **Braggins** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 4:15 am

I'm not too confident Biz is going to be on our team next season.

catch20two · Post #1883 » by **catch20two** » Thu Mar 5, 2015 4:18 am

Braggins wrote:I'm not too confident Biz is going to be on our team next season.

I think he'll be signed to the QO tender before we have to match another team's offer.

HornetJail · Post #1884 » by **HornetJail** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:48 am

If Al is out for any stretch of time, this is Biz's chance to play his way into a new contract. I'd be floored if we do not offer him a new contract, but at the same time, it's looking more likely we'll have Al for another year. I'm not terribly pleased with that, but if Biz really impresses, I definitely think we could look to deal Al for a draft pick. Scoring big men without a chronic injury come around as often as a sober dude in Columbia on Saint Patty's day, so I really do think a team that is in a situation such as ours two years ago, would certainly love to snag Al and see if Al can take them over the hump.

Hornet Mania · Post #1885 » by **Hornet Mania** » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:02 pm

If Al has a major injury we basically have to re-sign Biz unless someone just inexplicably throws the max at him. We've got basically no wiggle-room under the cap to sign a competent stop-gap, a breakout season for Bismack Biyombo in 2015 is our only hope.

Or Cliff could try playing Zeller and Vonl...you know what, never mind. Please re-sign Biz, don't make us suffer through a year of some other random scrub. At least if Biz plays over Vonleh I won't start passive-aggressively hating Cliff.

thruthefire · Post #1886 » by **thruthefire** » Sun Mar 15, 2015 10:49 pm

Biz as a starter:
14 g (10-4), 24.3 mpg, 7.0 pts, 8.3 rebs, 1.5 blks, .596 TS%, 124 ORtg, 95 DRtg

Unless nearly every GM does actually believe Biz is much older than 22, I think he will be compensated very well.

Braggins · Post #1887 » by **Braggins** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:33 am

I'm still convinced without a doubt that Biz should be our starter when the team is fully healthy. I don't even think its close really. He should start and get 26-28 minutes.

It is hard to predict future salaries given that we don't know how much the cap is going to rise, but I think he will get something close to the equivalent of 6-7 million per year with the current cap (inflated relative to how much the cap rises).

Hornet Mania · Post #1888 » by **Hornet Mania** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:30 pm

I could definitely see a team or two willing to throw 10 million annually at Biz, and I think that's a fair deal to match given the expected rise in the cap. A 10 million salary against an 80 million cap (and some say 85-90 million, but I just stuck with 80 as a very conservative projection) is actually a little less than 7 million on a 65 cap. I'm hoping that Kanter also being a RFA, Okafor/Towns in the draft and a possible Cousins sweepstakes takes attention away from Biz so we can retain him on the cheap.

It's about time that some of our young guys being criminally underrated (looking at MKG as well) actually benefits us.

Post #1889 » by **yosemiteben** » Mon Mar 16, 2015 3:39 pm

Hornet Mania wrote:It's about time that some of our young guys being criminally underrated (looking at MKG as well) actually benefits us.

Had the exact same thought.

catch20two · Post #1890 » by **catch20two** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:34 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:
GoBobs wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
I'd take Gobert over Biyombo rather easily, and any non homerish Charlotte fan would as well.

Good luck with that though. Most Charlotte fans think he is the next Ben Wallace.

Last year Gobert averaged 3.9 turnovers and 12.6 points per 100 possessions. Biz averaged 1.9 turnovers and 10.8 points per 100 possessions. Funny how Biz turns the ball over at such a lower rate for a guy who can't catch anything.

Do you mean the Ben Wallace who never averaged 10 points per 36 minutes and never shot over 50% from the free throw line?

Ben Wallace career stats per 36 min: 7pts, 11.8 rebounds, 2.4 blocks, 1.5 steals, 47% from the field, 41% from the free throw line, 1.2 turnovers

Biz stats per 36 from last season: 7.5 pts 12.3 rebounds, 2.9 blocks, 0.2 steals, 61% from the field, 51% from the free throw line, 1.3 turnovers

Ben Wallace like most big men peaked between 27 and 31. Biz is younger then Ben Wallace was as a rookie in the NBA.

So, tell me. Do you think Biyombo is the next Ben Wallace?

Edit: Not hating, but I think Biyombo is closer to 25 than anything. Anf alot of executives think that is true according to Zach Lowe. And per 36 stats are useless when a guy played 15 minutes game last season.

Found it. You didn't take much flack lol. Only you and Gobob went back and forth a few posts.

Liver_Pooty · Post #1891 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 2:48 am

catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
GoBobs wrote:
Last year Gobert averaged 3.9 turnovers and 12.6 points per 100 possessions. Biz averaged 1.9 turnovers and 10.8 points per 100 possessions. Funny how Biz turns the ball over at such a lower rate for a guy who can't catch anything.

Do you mean the Ben Wallace who never averaged 10 points per 36 minutes and never shot over 50% from the free throw line?

Ben Wallace career stats per 36 min: 7pts, 11.8 rebounds, 2.4 blocks, 1.5 steals, 47% from the field, 41% from the free throw line, 1.2 turnovers

Biz stats per 36 from last season: 7.5 pts 12.3 rebounds, 2.9 blocks, 0.2 steals, 61% from the field, 51% from the free throw line, 1.3 turnovers

Ben Wallace like most big men peaked between 27 and 31. Biz is younger then Ben Wallace was as a rookie in the NBA.

So, tell me. Do you think Biyombo is the next Ben Wallace?

Edit: Not hating, but I think Biyombo is closer to 25 than anything. Anf alot of executives think that is true according to Zach Lowe. And per 36 stats are useless when a guy played 15 minutes game last season.

Found it. You didn't take much flack lol. Only you and Gobob went back and forth a few posts.

That wasn't what I said on the GB, but yeah

Eoghan · Post #1892 » by **Eoghan** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 4:47 am

Biz > Gobert. Gobert's in a much better situation right now but I'd be very surprised if Gobert doesn't start breaking down with injury plagued seasons in about 3-5 years of starter's minutes. Guys that big just can't take the wear* Ilgauskas, Yao, Alex Len already, etc.

*http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/tall-players-like-joel-embiid-are-more-prone-to-injury/

HornetJail · Post #1893 » by **HornetJail** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:28 pm

BrotherDave wrote:Biz > Gobert. Gobert's in a much better situation right now but I'd be very surprised if Gobert doesn't start breaking down with injury plagued seasons in about 3-5 years of starter's minutes. Guys that big just can't take the wear* Ilgauskas, Yao, Alex Len already, etc.

*http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/tall-players-like-joel-embiid-are-more-prone-to-injury/

Nah, height isn't the issue- it's weight. the guys you mentioned are all very heavy and for the most part not very athletic. Gobert is built like a forward, and is probably 250 pounds at most. Gobert is better at this point and will likely continue to be. I wouldn't "expect" him to break down like you would with a 275-300 pound big man like Yao or Bogut.

BeesWax · Post #1894 » by **BeesWax** » Fri Mar 20, 2015 11:55 pm

Liver_Pooty wrote:
catch20two wrote:
Liver_Pooty wrote:
So, tell me. Do you think Biyombo is the next Ben Wallace?

Edit: Not hating, but I think Biyombo is closer to 25 than anything. Anf alot of executives think that is true according to Zach Lowe. And per 36 stats are useless when a guy played 15 minutes game last season.

Found it. You didn't take much flack lol. Only you and Gobob went back and forth a few posts.

That wasn't what I said on the GB, but yeah

Biz is younger and their per minute numbers are pretty similar. The main difference is Biz being buried behind Al and us not knowing what he can or cannot do with the minutes Gobert is getting. I think Rudy is better but not a ton. I would love to see how well we would do with Buz playing 30 a night.

Eoghan · Post #1895 » by **Eoghan** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:04 am

BizGilwalker wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Biz > Gobert. Gobert's in a much better situation right now but I'd be very surprised if Gobert doesn't start breaking down with injury plagued seasons in about 3-5 years of starter's minutes. Guys that big just can't take the wear* Ilgauskas, Yao, Alex Len already, etc.

*http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/tall-players-like-joel-embiid-are-more-prone-to-injury/

Nah, height isn't the issue- it's weight. the guys you mentioned are all very heavy and for the most part not very athletic. Gobert is built like a forward, and is probably 250 pounds at most. Gobert is better at this point and will likely continue to be. I wouldn't "expect" him to break down like you would with a 275-300 pound big man like Yao or Bogut.

Len is not very heavy, he had to eat like a 2500 calorie/day diet just to keep weight on at Maryland and he's already had multiple stress fractures. Ilguaskas wasn't that heavy either when he first came into the league and young Ilgauskas was about as athletic as Gobert is, Yao too. If Gobert doesn't get more bulk he won't get any better than he already is b/c his biggest weakness is literally weakness. But the heavier he gets the more of an injury risk he'll be and he's already treading on thin ice compared to non-giants. There's always the concern over heart issues too, since their tickers have to work harder than normal sized people b/c hearts generally run the same size. That's part of the reason why Isaiah Austin couldn't play.

BeesWax · Post #1896 » by **BeesWax** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 12:36 am

BrotherDave wrote:
BizGilwalker wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:Biz > Gobert. Gobert's in a much better situation right now but I'd be very surprised if Gobert doesn't start breaking down with injury plagued seasons in about 3-5 years of starter's minutes. Guys that big just can't take the wear* Ilgauskas, Yao, Alex Len already, etc.

*http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/tall-players-like-joel-embiid-are-more-prone-to-injury/

Nah, height isn't the issue- it's weight. the guys you mentioned are all very heavy and for the most part not very athletic. Gobert is built like a forward, and is probably 250 pounds at most. Gobert is better at this point and will likely continue to be. I wouldn't "expect" him to break down like you would with a 275-300 pound big man like Yao or Bogut.

Len is not very heavy, he had to eat like a 2500 calorie/day diet just to keep weight on at Maryland and he's already had multiple stress fractures. Ilguaskas wasn't that heavy either when he first came into the league and young Ilgauskas was about as athletic as Gobert is, Yao too. If Gobert doesn't get more bulk he won't get any better than he already is b/c his biggest weakness is literally weakness. But the heavier he gets the more of an injury risk he'll be and he's already treading on thin ice compared to non-giants. There's always the concern over heart issues too, since their tickers have to work harder than normal sized people b/c hearts generally run the same size. That's part of the reason why Isaiah Austin couldn't play.

I think the major key is lower body injuries. Once guys that size get them it all goes down hill. If he can stay healthy he will be fine but once a knee, ankle or foot goes it is a long fall off a steep cliff for guys that height.

DaddyCool19 · Post #1897 » by **DaddyCool19** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 1:50 pm

So how old is he according to Lowe? In soccer there are here and then stories about nigerian players who are playing in the u17 and u19 world cup while being 2-3 years older then listed. Would that be the case with Biyombo too?

Look at that guy. He was 21-22 in that picture. Biyombo doesn't even look that old to me.

BeesWax · Post #1898 » by **BeesWax** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:40 pm

Lowe doesn't know anything he just likes to talk trash basically. Everything that has been shown has Biz at his listed age or within a year of it at the most. Nobody has provided anything to show he is any older than he claims they just make assumptions based on where he is from. It seems a bit racist to me really. If you are going to make claims like that you need to have something to back it up and nobody seems to have it.

Hornet Mania · Post #1899 » by **Hornet Mania** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:45 pm

Biz is definitely his listed age, or else he's just unusually youthful in his facial features, personality and growth plates. My money is on him being his listed age.

DaddyCool19 · Post #1900 » by **DaddyCool19** » Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:10 pm

jdm3 wrote:Lowe doesn't know anything he just likes to talk trash basically. Everything that has been shown has Biz at his listed age or within a year of it at the most. Nobody has provided anything to show he is any older than he claims they just make assumptions based on where he is from. It seems a bit racist to me really. If you are going to make claims like that you need to have something to back it up and nobody seems to have it.

Yeah I could see him being 1 year older than listed as parents there maybe wait a year to see if the baby survives before getting the paperwork done. I think back in 2011 someone even claimed he was in his mid twenties which would make him 5-6 years older than listed and that just sounds ridiculous