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Post#261 » by JMac1 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:27 am

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JMac1 wrote:And the point of the post is what? Every last player on Utah that he compared our players to are better and plus they have no PJ's, Green's, or Mo Bros taking up major time. Hell, you forgot to mention that rookie Rodney Hood whom seems to be playing more than Warren and he was drafted after Warren :o .

LMAO. We are supposed to be happy that Utah has a better and younger team than us or understand this master plan that the Suns have and we are just to dumb to conceive it? We are supposed to be happy that Utah was not trying to play journey men players (got rid of Jefferson, Watson, Mo Williams and other has been) to ensure the young guys start playing from the beginning and none of that "oh, he has to earn his spot" crap, because it my spoil him, plus PJ is GOD; got rid of Kanter so Rudy could play MORE minutes, three minutes or whatever.

Yea, you guys keep buying what the Suns' are selling and don't hold them accountable because they run the team and are beyond reproach because we are all dumb fans and couldn't spot a basketball player because we aren't coaches or management. Yea let them tell us who should be playing, because they know better. Just because they can, don't make them right.

Btw, Utah is running things right now with all of those 1 and 2 years players (Gobert,Exum, Hood, and Burke) while we are looking foolish.

And Hayward is better than Bledsoe and Favors is better than Markieff, btw, how did they get all of those players?

Keep up the good work Suns.

Summation: start Warren and keep playing Goodwin-which only happened because Knight got hurt-. You have to be kidding me, effing Green, Marcus, PJ, and Thronton were/are playing more than the rook and Archie before Knight's injury :crazy:


.....kiss my arse on that garbage.


I probably like Utah's young core better than our's, but that's kind of beside the point. The point is, we are playing our 5th year guys just like they are, and it's not like we have a better PF than Kieff to put in. Favors is better, but we don't have a Favors.

We DID trade Plumlee to open up more time for Len, just as Utah traded Kanter to open up time for Gobert.

Bledsoe and Hayward are both young and in their 5th year. Is Hayward better? Probably, but it's not like we are sitting someone who is better than Bledsoe.

We also have Knight, who is on a rookie contract, who starts when healthy. We have one guy that is more than 5 years removed from college playing or starting (Tucker) and I mentioned that I would rather see Warren play more.

No one is saying Utah sucks or they may have a younger brighter future than them, just that we are playing young guys. But I know some believe Goodwin is our future superstar, so I can see why those would want him to play over Bledsoe or Knight, but I don't agree with that.

But again, I'd rather see more of Warren.

There isn't anyone I'd rather see on our team playing PF and C than Kieff and Len or at our guard spots more than Bledsoe and Knight.

You ought to stop putting words in people's mouth and then saying it's garbage, because the garbage is coming from you making bull **** up.

Too much sense. Does not compute!


Our team has no stars, no stars in development, no playoffs, another late lotto pick, and no one wants to play here because we do **** like bring in 100 PG's and guys like Goran leaves and talks trash about the Suns mgmt, making us a laughing stock and the butt of all jokes....does that compute? I thought so. But hey keep on rationalizing the irrational and maybe you will continue to be as blind as your buddy :lol:

Maybe you know more than Goran and all the rest who talked about how the Suns had no clue.....but hey I guess you have all of the facts and I don't, or I just can't see how sensible the Suns have been during the last five years and how our great coach has us winning so many close games this year :crazy:
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#262 » by MrMiyagi » Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:44 am

When did the season end? When did our games back suddenly become greater than the games left to be played?

I'm getting sick of all this championship or bust mentality. How you either have to have stars or be working on getting them. Tell me about all those stars that have rings. Melo? Harden? Westbrook? Durant? CP3? Blake? Curry? Love? Dwight? How about those retired stars. Barkley? Stockton? Malone? Reggie Miller? Allen Iverson? Dominique?

But this is the Hornacek is the problem thread, right? So great coaches win championships, right? Tell me about all those great coaches who have won championships. Jerry Sloan? Stan Van Gundy? George Karl? Rick Adelman? Don Nelson? Cotton Fitzsimmons? I mean, Steve Kerr will definitely win a championship, right? That's got to happen. Same with Thibodeau, right? And Frank Vogel and Scott Brooks and Mike Budenholzer and David Blatt and Dave Joerger and on and on and on.

Truth is you can pretend to think that basketball can be whittled down to Stars + Coach = Championship, but that ain't always the case. It's a crapshoot. You've got to get a lot of things to roll your way just to get a shot at the finals. The other thing is you don't know where great players pop up, especially in the current era of the NBA. Unless you're going to tell me that you knew Kawhi Leonard would become a finals MVP after his rookie season or that Paul George would be in the running for League MVP or that James Harden and Klay Thompson and Jimmy Butler would become the best 2 guards in the NBA.

If you want to tell me that Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, The Brothers Morris, Alex Len, TJ Warren, Archie Goodwin and Reggie Bullock have already played their best basketball and will never be All-Stars or All-NBA players when none of them are over the age of 25 yet, or that Jeff Hornacek after 2 seasons as a head coach will never coach a title contender, then be my guest, but don't f*cking expect me to follow that train of logic.
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#263 » by RunDogGun » Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:33 am

MrMiyagi wrote:When did the season end? When did our games back suddenly become greater than the games left to be played?

I'm getting sick of all this championship or bust mentality. How you either have to have stars or be working on getting them. Tell me about all those stars that have rings. Melo? Harden? Westbrook? Durant? CP3? Blake? Curry? Love? Dwight? How about those retired stars. Barkley? Stockton? Malone? Reggie Miller? Allen Iverson? Dominique?

But this is the Hornacek is the problem thread, right? So great coaches win championships, right? Tell me about all those great coaches who have won championships. Jerry Sloan? Stan Van Gundy? George Karl? Rick Adelman? Don Nelson? Cotton Fitzsimmons? I mean, Steve Kerr will definitely win a championship, right? That's got to happen. Same with Thibodeau, right? And Frank Vogel and Scott Brooks and Mike Budenholzer and David Blatt and Dave Joerger and on and on and on.

Truth is you can pretend to think that basketball can be whittled down to Stars + Coach = Championship, but that ain't always the case. It's a crapshoot. You've got to get a lot of things to roll your way just to get a shot at the finals. The other thing is you don't know where great players pop up, especially in the current era of the NBA. Unless you're going to tell me that you knew Kawhi Leonard would become a finals MVP after his rookie season or that Paul George would be in the running for League MVP or that James Harden and Klay Thompson and Jimmy Butler would become the best 2 guards in the NBA.

If you want to tell me that Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, The Brothers Morris, Alex Len, TJ Warren, Archie Goodwin and Reggie Bullock have already played their best basketball and will never be All-Stars or All-NBA players when none of them are over the age of 25 yet, or that Jeff Hornacek after 2 seasons as a head coach will never coach a title contender, then be my guest, but don't f*cking expect me to follow that train of logic.

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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#264 » by JMac1 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:39 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:When did the season end? When did our games back suddenly become greater than the games left to be played?

I'm getting sick of all this championship or bust mentality. How you either have to have stars or be working on getting them. Tell me about all those stars that have rings. Melo? Harden? Westbrook? Durant? CP3? Blake? Curry? Love? Dwight? How about those retired stars. Barkley? Stockton? Malone? Reggie Miller? Allen Iverson? Dominique?

Wow! and you disagree? :o

But this is the Hornacek is the problem thread, right? So great coaches win championships, right? Tell me about all those great coaches who have won championships. Jerry Sloan? Stan Van Gundy? George Karl? Rick Adelman? Don Nelson? Cotton Fitzsimmons? I mean, Steve Kerr will definitely win a championship, right? That's got to happen. Same with Thibodeau, right? And Frank Vogel and Scott Brooks and Mike Budenholzer and David Blatt and Dave Joerger and on and on and on.


Repeated Championship coaches are great. Those guys are good coaches
If they were great they'd have multiple titles. :crazy:

Truth is you can pretend to think that basketball can be whittled down to Stars + Coach = Championship, but that ain't always the case. It's a crapshoot. You've got to get a lot of things to roll your way just to get a shot at the finals. The other thing is you don't know where great players pop up, especially in the current era of the NBA. Unless you're going to tell me that you knew Kawhi Leonard would become a finals MVP after his rookie season or that Paul George would be in the running for League MVP or that James Harden and Klay Thompson and Jimmy Butler would become the best 2 guards in the NBA.

Double Wow! It's a crapshoot that your player becomes a star...duh?!; but Stars + Coach = Championship is the NORM

If you want to tell me that Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, The Brothers Morris, Alex Len, TJ Warren, Archie Goodwin and Reggie Bullock have already played their best basketball and will never be All-Stars or All-NBA players when none of them are over the age of 25 yet, or that Jeff Hornacek after 2 seasons as a head coach will never coach a title contender, then be my guest, but don't f*cking expect me to follow that train of logic.


Eric Bledsoe, The Mo Bros will never be all-stars and are playing their best basketball, sorry I have to inform you of this since your eyes don't work. If Hornacek gets a new team he can coach a title contender.
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Post#265 » by JMac1 » Fri Mar 20, 2015 3:46 pm

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MrMiyagi wrote:When did the season end? When did our games back suddenly become greater than the games left to be played?

I'm getting sick of all this championship or bust mentality. How you either have to have stars or be working on getting them. Tell me about all those stars that have rings. Melo? Harden? Westbrook? Durant? CP3? Blake? Curry? Love? Dwight? How about those retired stars. Barkley? Stockton? Malone? Reggie Miller? Allen Iverson? Dominique?

But this is the Hornacek is the problem thread, right? So great coaches win championships, right? Tell me about all those great coaches who have won championships. Jerry Sloan? Stan Van Gundy? George Karl? Rick Adelman? Don Nelson? Cotton Fitzsimmons? I mean, Steve Kerr will definitely win a championship, right? That's got to happen. Same with Thibodeau, right? And Frank Vogel and Scott Brooks and Mike Budenholzer and David Blatt and Dave Joerger and on and on and on.

Truth is you can pretend to think that basketball can be whittled down to Stars + Coach = Championship, but that ain't always the case. It's a crapshoot. You've got to get a lot of things to roll your way just to get a shot at the finals. The other thing is you don't know where great players pop up, especially in the current era of the NBA. Unless you're going to tell me that you knew Kawhi Leonard would become a finals MVP after his rookie season or that Paul George would be in the running for League MVP or that James Harden and Klay Thompson and Jimmy Butler would become the best 2 guards in the NBA.

If you want to tell me that Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, The Brothers Morris, Alex Len, TJ Warren, Archie Goodwin and Reggie Bullock have already played their best basketball and will never be All-Stars or All-NBA players when none of them are over the age of 25 yet, or that Jeff Hornacek after 2 seasons as a head coach will never coach a title contender, then be my guest, but don't f*cking expect me to follow that train of logic.

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Post#266 » by RunDogGun » Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:38 pm

You have no idea if any player has played their best basketball. Both Eric and Markieff haven't even finished a full season starting, yet. They can do tons of things to improve their game and/or expand their game. But keep on hating supposed Suns fan.
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#267 » by MrMiyagi » Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:12 pm

JMac1 wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:When did the season end? When did our games back suddenly become greater than the games left to be played?

I'm getting sick of all this championship or bust mentality. How you either have to have stars or be working on getting them. Tell me about all those stars that have rings. Melo? Harden? Westbrook? Durant? CP3? Blake? Curry? Love? Dwight? How about those retired stars. Barkley? Stockton? Malone? Reggie Miller? Allen Iverson? Dominique?

Wow! and you disagree? :o

But this is the Hornacek is the problem thread, right? So great coaches win championships, right? Tell me about all those great coaches who have won championships. Jerry Sloan? Stan Van Gundy? George Karl? Rick Adelman? Don Nelson? Cotton Fitzsimmons? I mean, Steve Kerr will definitely win a championship, right? That's got to happen. Same with Thibodeau, right? And Frank Vogel and Scott Brooks and Mike Budenholzer and David Blatt and Dave Joerger and on and on and on.


Repeated Championship coaches are great. Those guys are good coaches
If they were great they'd have multiple titles. :crazy:

Truth is you can pretend to think that basketball can be whittled down to Stars + Coach = Championship, but that ain't always the case. It's a crapshoot. You've got to get a lot of things to roll your way just to get a shot at the finals. The other thing is you don't know where great players pop up, especially in the current era of the NBA. Unless you're going to tell me that you knew Kawhi Leonard would become a finals MVP after his rookie season or that Paul George would be in the running for League MVP or that James Harden and Klay Thompson and Jimmy Butler would become the best 2 guards in the NBA.

Double Wow! It's a crapshoot that your player becomes a star...duh?!; but Stars + Coach = Championship is the NORM

If you want to tell me that Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, The Brothers Morris, Alex Len, TJ Warren, Archie Goodwin and Reggie Bullock have already played their best basketball and will never be All-Stars or All-NBA players when none of them are over the age of 25 yet, or that Jeff Hornacek after 2 seasons as a head coach will never coach a title contender, then be my guest, but don't f*cking expect me to follow that train of logic.


Eric Bledsoe, The Mo Bros will never be all-stars and are playing their best basketball, sorry I have to inform you of this since your eyes don't work. If Hornacek gets a new team he can coach a title contender.


I am so glad that you have such great basketball scouting knowledge! You must work for an NBA team since you know which players are done after the age of 25! That is truly a remarkable talent and I'm sure that your organization must have a great championship pedigree thanks to your contribution. Let us in, oh great evaluator, on which players in this upcoming class will become stars and win championships so that we may taste the promised land!!!!!

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Post#268 » by In Len We Trust » Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:12 pm

You can give him a title contender roster but if he keeps making flat out bad decisions in every single game then there is no way that team is winning 4 7-game series' in a row. The Suns are trying to model the Spurs, which is fine, but they have Popovich and we have Hornacek. Pretty big difference. We don't need a coach as great as Pop, who in my personal opinion is the greatest coach in NBA history, but we at the very least need a coach that we can trust to make the right decisions, especially in playoff games.
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Post#269 » by Sun Scorched » Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:24 pm

Got it.

So all we need is LeBron and Popovich and we can win a championship?

Brilliant.
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Post#270 » by MrMiyagi » Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:44 pm

Sun Scorched wrote:Got it.

So all we need is LeBron and Popovich and we can win a championship?

Brilliant.

I don't know, it seems like just any coach and any players that aren't our own will do for most of this crowd. F*ck continuity.
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Post#271 » by Sun Scorched » Fri Mar 20, 2015 10:58 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:
Sun Scorched wrote:Got it.

So all we need is LeBron and Popovich and we can win a championship?

Brilliant.


I don't know, it seems like just any coach and any players that aren't our own will do for most of this crowd. F*ck continuity.


It's most definitely exhausting.

People seem to act like Popovich was always Popovich. He wasn't. He was Hornacek once. And you know what, Popovich speaks very highly of Hornacek.... so I'll just go ahead and take Pops' word over anything an internet forum has to offer about their proprietary coaching philosophies.

I'm still pumped for this franchise. I was sincerely worried about how turbulent this phase of our franchise could be and I'm thankful with what has been accomplished by McD, Hornacek, Sarver and Babby.

It could have been much, much worse.

Anyone expecting anything more than where we are right now just isn't being realistic.
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Post#272 » by JMac1 » Sat Mar 21, 2015 3:39 am

Sun Scorched wrote:Got it.

So all we need is LeBron and Popovich and we can win a championship?

Brilliant.


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Post#273 » by MrMiyagi » Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:45 am

We complain about our role players like role players are a bad thing. Remember when Minnesota went into rebuilding mode, drafted Kevin Love and Wesley Johnson and Johnny Flynn and Ricky Rubio and Derrick Williams with top 6 draft picks? Or when Milwaukee had that run of Yi Jianlian and Joe Alexander and Brandon Jennings and Jimmer Fredette with top 10 picks? Or when Charlotte got Emeka Okafor and Raymond Felton and Adam Morrison and our guy Brandon Wright with top 8 picks? Of course not. We only see the Sonic/Thunder and think "JUST LET THE YOUNG GUYS GO!!!!!" Archie and TJ and Len are going to benefit from having to play well to earn their minutes.
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Post#274 » by JMac1 » Sat Mar 21, 2015 2:15 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:We complain about our role players like role players are a bad thing. Remember when Minnesota went into rebuilding mode, drafted Kevin Love and Wesley Johnson and Johnny Flynn and Ricky Rubio and Derrick Williams with top 6 draft picks? Or when Milwaukee had that run of Yi Jianlian and Joe Alexander and Brandon Jennings and Jimmer Fredette with top 10 picks? Or when Charlotte got Emeka Okafor and Raymond Felton and Adam Morrison and our guy Brandon Wright with top 8 picks? Of course not. We only see the Sonic/Thunder and think "JUST LET THE YOUNG GUYS GO!!!!!" Archie and TJ and Len are going to benefit from having to play well to earn their minutes.


Don't forget Utah and GS. GS got the young pieces in there and then added the vets!!
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Post#275 » by bigfoot » Sat Mar 21, 2015 5:22 pm

JMac1 wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:When did the season end? When did our games back suddenly become greater than the games left to be played?

I'm getting sick of all this championship or bust mentality. How you either have to have stars or be working on getting them. Tell me about all those stars that have rings. Melo? Harden? Westbrook? Durant? CP3? Blake? Curry? Love? Dwight? How about those retired stars. Barkley? Stockton? Malone? Reggie Miller? Allen Iverson? Dominique?

Wow! and you disagree? :o

But this is the Hornacek is the problem thread, right? So great coaches win championships, right? Tell me about all those great coaches who have won championships. Jerry Sloan? Stan Van Gundy? George Karl? Rick Adelman? Don Nelson? Cotton Fitzsimmons? I mean, Steve Kerr will definitely win a championship, right? That's got to happen. Same with Thibodeau, right? And Frank Vogel and Scott Brooks and Mike Budenholzer and David Blatt and Dave Joerger and on and on and on.


Repeated Championship coaches are great. Those guys are good coaches
If they were great they'd have multiple titles. :crazy:

Truth is you can pretend to think that basketball can be whittled down to Stars + Coach = Championship, but that ain't always the case. It's a crapshoot. You've got to get a lot of things to roll your way just to get a shot at the finals. The other thing is you don't know where great players pop up, especially in the current era of the NBA. Unless you're going to tell me that you knew Kawhi Leonard would become a finals MVP after his rookie season or that Paul George would be in the running for League MVP or that James Harden and Klay Thompson and Jimmy Butler would become the best 2 guards in the NBA.

Double Wow! It's a crapshoot that your player becomes a star...duh?!; but Stars + Coach = Championship is the NORM

If you want to tell me that Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, The Brothers Morris, Alex Len, TJ Warren, Archie Goodwin and Reggie Bullock have already played their best basketball and will never be All-Stars or All-NBA players when none of them are over the age of 25 yet, or that Jeff Hornacek after 2 seasons as a head coach will never coach a title contender, then be my guest, but don't f*cking expect me to follow that train of logic.


Eric Bledsoe, The Mo Bros will never be all-stars and are playing their best basketball, sorry I have to inform you of this since your eyes don't work. If Hornacek gets a new team he can coach a title contender.


So before you said Horny couldn't relate to our players and now you say he could coach a title contending team with different players. So what is it? Our players are junk or our coach is junk?

I'm happy we have a bunch of young players who are in the playoff hunt in a very tough Western conference even after the turmoil caused by Dragic and IT.
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Post#276 » by MrMiyagi » Sat Mar 21, 2015 6:30 pm

JMac1 wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:We complain about our role players like role players are a bad thing. Remember when Minnesota went into rebuilding mode, drafted Kevin Love and Wesley Johnson and Johnny Flynn and Ricky Rubio and Derrick Williams with top 6 draft picks? Or when Milwaukee had that run of Yi Jianlian and Joe Alexander and Brandon Jennings and Jimmer Fredette with top 10 picks? Or when Charlotte got Emeka Okafor and Raymond Felton and Adam Morrison and our guy Brandon Wright with top 8 picks? Of course not. We only see the Sonic/Thunder and think "JUST LET THE YOUNG GUYS GO!!!!!" Archie and TJ and Len are going to benefit from having to play well to earn their minutes.


Don't forget Utah and GS. GS got the young pieces in there and then added the vets!!

I have no clue how you can think Utah is in a good place, but we aren't. Maybe you should become a Jazz fan.
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Post#277 » by JMac1 » Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:21 pm

MrMiyagi wrote:I have no clue how you can think Utah is in a good place, but we aren't. Maybe you should become a Jazz fan.


WTF? Are you serious? How old are you? Utah has a young starting five and are going up not down. You can't see they are in a better spot than us? WOW!!

And because I say they are I should become a Jazz fan......you must be 10 years old.
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Post#278 » by JMac1 » Sat Mar 21, 2015 7:32 pm

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JMac1 wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:When did the season end? When did our games back suddenly become greater than the games left to be played?

I'm getting sick of all this championship or bust mentality. How you either have to have stars or be working on getting them. Tell me about all those stars that have rings. Melo? Harden? Westbrook? Durant? CP3? Blake? Curry? Love? Dwight? How about those retired stars. Barkley? Stockton? Malone? Reggie Miller? Allen Iverson? Dominique?

Wow! and you disagree? :o

But this is the Hornacek is the problem thread, right? So great coaches win championships, right? Tell me about all those great coaches who have won championships. Jerry Sloan? Stan Van Gundy? George Karl? Rick Adelman? Don Nelson? Cotton Fitzsimmons? I mean, Steve Kerr will definitely win a championship, right? That's got to happen. Same with Thibodeau, right? And Frank Vogel and Scott Brooks and Mike Budenholzer and David Blatt and Dave Joerger and on and on and on.


Repeated Championship coaches are great. Those guys are good coaches
If they were great they'd have multiple titles. :crazy:

Truth is you can pretend to think that basketball can be whittled down to Stars + Coach = Championship, but that ain't always the case. It's a crapshoot. You've got to get a lot of things to roll your way just to get a shot at the finals. The other thing is you don't know where great players pop up, especially in the current era of the NBA. Unless you're going to tell me that you knew Kawhi Leonard would become a finals MVP after his rookie season or that Paul George would be in the running for League MVP or that James Harden and Klay Thompson and Jimmy Butler would become the best 2 guards in the NBA.

Double Wow! It's a crapshoot that your player becomes a star...duh?!; but Stars + Coach = Championship is the NORM

If you want to tell me that Eric Bledsoe, Brandon Knight, The Brothers Morris, Alex Len, TJ Warren, Archie Goodwin and Reggie Bullock have already played their best basketball and will never be All-Stars or All-NBA players when none of them are over the age of 25 yet, or that Jeff Hornacek after 2 seasons as a head coach will never coach a title contender, then be my guest, but don't f*cking expect me to follow that train of logic.


Eric Bledsoe, The Mo Bros will never be all-stars and are playing their best basketball, sorry I have to inform you of this since your eyes don't work. If Hornacek gets a new team he can coach a title contender.


So before you said Horny couldn't relate to our players and now you say he could coach a title contending team with different players. So what is it? Our players are junk or our coach is junk?


I'm happy we have a bunch of young players who are in the playoff hunt in a very tough Western conference even after the turmoil caused by Dragic and IT.


Reading comprehension is a thing of the past.

1. I said that a cultural difference existed/could be the issue between the Mo Bros and Hornacek not "our players." Did you just assume that I was talking about "our" players just to try to make it appear as though I was contradicting myself or you were assuming all black people was included in my statement about culture (how could you when I specified that was not always the case), or you just read what you wanted to read or you are a poor reader or you have a poor memory? Please let me know because I am :banghead: as hell for you to say I said "our" players.

2. You don't think Hornacek could coach great players who are coachable? Not being able to coach knuckle heads doesn't mean he could coach Steph Curry. But a great coach can coach anyone.

3. When did I say our players are junk? or Hornacek was junk? :lol:

Man, wth is it with some of these responses?
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#279 » by MrMiyagi » Sat Mar 21, 2015 8:34 pm

JMac1 wrote:
MrMiyagi wrote:I have no clue how you can think Utah is in a good place, but we aren't. Maybe you should become a Jazz fan.


WTF? Are you serious? How old are you? Utah has a young starting five and are going up not down. You can't see they are in a better spot than us? WOW!!

And because I say they are I should become a Jazz fan......you must be 10 years old.

Is that not what we have?
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Oh, sorry Old Man PJ is aging our other 4 players by 5 years, so it's actually
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You're right, we're old as **** and all of our players are on the decline. We have no hope! :crazy:
SHAZAM!

Suns traded Mikal Bridges, Cam Johnson, Jae Crowder and 4 1st round picks and a swap so some Vegas Bookies would like us.
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Re: Is Hornacek the problem? 

Post#280 » by bigfoot » Sat Mar 21, 2015 9:13 pm

JMac1 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:How about admitting Horny isn't the problem ...

http://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2015/ ... s-not-jeff


Are you serious :banghead:

Hornacek is a problem because the brothas don't respect him. New flash to some of you; it takes a special kind of coach to understand the cultural differences in some African American players vs others. If you cannot relate and communicate to ALL of your players good and bad-most of the really good players have the bad attitudes, just like many rich people are spoiled-then you are going to be an ineffective coach, that is Jeff.

Hornacek can't relate, communicate and thus gets no respect.....that is his fault, not the player. Everyone doesn't play to the same beat of the drum. You can gain respect from anyone, you just need to know how to do it. Gone are the days where you respect the coach just because he is the coach. If you have those expectations, enjoy the dysfunction and losing....if you don't get me see Bill Belichick or Greg Popovich, although Greg has pretty easy going payers.


Plain and simple Jmac ... Here is your post saying Horny doesn't understand the cultural differences (can't relate to the brothas). I call bullsh*t out front if you want to refer to the Morri as the brothas. I can read clearly what you said. Now you want to call me out for your black versus white nonsense. Your f'd in the head dude and need to read the sh*t you write more thoroughly.

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