#BringBacktheBiz - The Bismack Biyombo Thread

[Braggins]

He is his listed age. He wasnt born a tribesman or anything. He was born into a well off and well educated family. When he arrived in Spain at the age of 16, according to his birth certificate, he was given a bone age test and it concluded that he was 16, or 17 at the most, and definitely not 18 or older. Im pretty sure that the age thing was probably a fake rumour leaked around draft time by gm's who wanted him to fall to them. Somehow it stuck.

Edit: left out half a sentence in the op

[vorbis]

at some point people are just going to have to let the age garbage go. he's in his 4th season for chrissakes. the results on the floor are more than enough to evaluate him on their own.

[Liver_Pooty]

Still not lived up to the 7th pick in that draft though, unfortunately.

[catch20two]

Still not lived up to the 7th pick in that draft though, unfortunately.

I think he has. He was the 7th pick, not top 3 or top 5. Jan Vesely and Derrick Williams were picked before him. All Biz has proven so far in his young career is that he's a elite rim protector and above average rebounder. If you expected him to be better than he currently is offensively then you were too optimistic or bad at evaluating expected expectations. Biz was drafted during a time when being a defensive big was very trendy to winning (and still is, just not trending anymore as much as #spacing is the new wave) with players like Ben Wallace, Tyson Chandler, and Kendrick Perkins getting offered over 10M a year just to be a plodding body in the paint.

[Liver_Pooty]

Still not lived up to the 7th pick in that draft though, unfortunately.

I think he has. He was the 7th pick, not top 3 or top 5. Jan Vesely and Derrick Williams were picked before him. All Biz has proven so far in his young career is that he's a elite rim protector and above average rebounder. If you expected him to be better than he currently is offensively then you were too optimistic or bad at evaluating expected expectations. Biz was drafted during a time when being a defensive big was very trendy to winning (and still is, just not trending anymore as much as #spacing is the new wave) with players like Ben Wallace, Tyson Chandler, and Kendrick Perkins getting offered over 10M a year just to be a plodding body in the paint.

yup, guess I was way wrong. Going on his 5th year in the league and still struggles to catch a bounce pass off a pick and roll half the time.

[Braggins]

He has yet to be as good as what you would ideally want your 7th pick to be, but when you actually compare him to most players picked in that slot or in that range he has been fine. Half the players picked in that range scrub out of the league completely and most end up being mediocre role players. Not very many of them are ever elite at anything. As long as he becomes a pretty good player who is capable of being a starter in certain circumstances then I'm not going to complain about his draft position. Most lottery picks are "busts".

edit: I went back and looked at the list of players drafted 6-8 in the past 20 years and interestingly there are way more good players that were drafted 7th than 6th or 8th. Doesn't really take away from my point but I thought it was interesting. 6th picks have been especially terrible.

[catch20two]

Still not lived up to the 7th pick in that draft though, unfortunately.

I think he has. He was the 7th pick, not top 3 or top 5. Jan Vesely and Derrick Williams were picked before him. All Biz has proven so far in his young career is that he's a elite rim protector and above average rebounder. If you expected him to be better than he currently is offensively then you were too optimistic or bad at evaluating expected expectations. Biz was drafted during a time when being a defensive big was very trendy to winning (and still is, just not trending anymore as much as #spacing is the new wave) with players like Ben Wallace, Tyson Chandler, and Kendrick Perkins getting offered over 10M a year just to be a plodding body in the paint.

yup, guess I was way wrong. Going on his 5th year in the league and still struggles to catch a bounce pass off a pick and roll half the time.

Over 10 years in the league and so do or did Tyson Chandler and he's a champion and DPOY winner. Knicks fans used to say he'd fumble away 10pts a game not being able to catch and finish in traffic.

[Diop]

according to the trade board Biz is due at least $10 mill a year next year.

This post by a Cavs fan really made my eyes pop

Bismack will probably be the highest paid player on this list. Four years $48 million minimum. Probably closer to $56 million. Asik and Kanter will probably get around $32 million over four years. Chandler's money is going to depend on how many years he wants guaranteed. Robin Lopez and Koufus see $32 million over four years.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1379026#start_here

has his value around the league really risen that much??

I can't see him being the highest paid centre free agent this year.

If Al is definitely gone and you had to pick one of Biz or Kanter, who would you take???

[Liver_Pooty]

according to the trade board Biz is due at least $10 mill a year next year.

This post by a Cavs fan really made my eyes pop

Bismack will probably be the highest paid player on this list. Four years $48 million minimum. Probably closer to $56 million. Asik and Kanter will probably get around $32 million over four years. Chandler's money is going to depend on how many years he wants guaranteed. Robin Lopez and Koufus see $32 million over four years.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1379026#start_here

has his value around the league really risen that much??

I can't see him being the highest paid centre free agent this year.

If Al is definitely gone and you had to pick one of Biz or Kanter, who would you take???

LOL. No way. That guys drunk

[Braggins]

Still not lived up to the 7th pick in that draft though, unfortunately.

I think he has. He was the 7th pick, not top 3 or top 5. Jan Vesely and Derrick Williams were picked before him. All Biz has proven so far in his young career is that he's a elite rim protector and above average rebounder. If you expected him to be better than he currently is offensively then you were too optimistic or bad at evaluating expected expectations. Biz was drafted during a time when being a defensive big was very trendy to winning (and still is, just not trending anymore as much as #spacing is the new wave) with players like Ben Wallace, Tyson Chandler, and Kendrick Perkins getting offered over 10M a year just to be a plodding body in the paint.

yup, guess I was way wrong. Going on his 5th year in the league and still struggles to catch a bounce pass off a pick and roll half the time.

For some reason this post made me realize something kind of unfortunate. Biz struggles with bounce passes and teams blitzing Kemba on pnr's makes it hard for him to make vertical/lob passes due to his lack of size. Maybe that is why he seems to never pass to Biz? He usually can't make the passes Biz can catch due to his size and how teams try to smother him on pnr's and Biz can't catch the passes he can make out of theoe situations. I wonder if there is anything to that.

[Braggins]

according to the trade board Biz is due at least $10 mill a year next year.

This post by a Cavs fan really made my eyes pop

Bismack will probably be the highest paid player on this list. Four years $48 million minimum. Probably closer to $56 million. Asik and Kanter will probably get around $32 million over four years. Chandler's money is going to depend on how many years he wants guaranteed. Robin Lopez and Koufus see $32 million over four years.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1379026#start_here

has his value around the league really risen that much??

I can't see him being the highest paid centre free agent this year.

If Al is definitely gone and you had to pick one of Biz or Kanter, who would you take???

I think he is going to get paid pretty well, but 12 mil a year seems like a stretch. Id still take him over Kanter though.

[catch20two]

according to the trade board Biz is due at least $10 mill a year next year.

This post by a Cavs fan really made my eyes pop

Bismack will probably be the highest paid player on this list. Four years $48 million minimum. Probably closer to $56 million. Asik and Kanter will probably get around $32 million over four years. Chandler's money is going to depend on how many years he wants guaranteed. Robin Lopez and Koufus see $32 million over four years.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1379026#start_here

has his value around the league really risen that much??

I can't see him being the highest paid centre free agent this year.

If Al is definitely gone and you had to pick one of Biz or Kanter, who would you take???

I think he is going to get paid pretty well, but 12 mil a year seems like a stretch. Id still take him over Kanter though.

Right. I'd take Biz over Kanter too. People get so caught up on offense and offensive mechanics that they totally dismiss defense as being a key component to winning. Ain't no coincidence that the Jazz suddenly became a streaking team once they traded Kanter and was forced to play Gobert more minutes.

[BeesWax]

according to the trade board Biz is due at least $10 mill a year next year.

This post by a Cavs fan really made my eyes pop

Bismack will probably be the highest paid player on this list. Four years $48 million minimum. Probably closer to $56 million. Asik and Kanter will probably get around $32 million over four years. Chandler's money is going to depend on how many years he wants guaranteed. Robin Lopez and Koufus see $32 million over four years.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1379026#start_here

has his value around the league really risen that much??

I can't see him being the highest paid centre free agent this year.

If Al is definitely gone and you had to pick one of Biz or Kanter, who would you take???

LOL. No way. That guys drunk

I am worried it is true. Somebody will look at him and see the value that he has when used correctly. If you know how to run an offense then he is capable of anchoring your defense and being very good. I think Gobert is earning Biz money since they are putting up such similar per 36 style numbers.

[thruthefire]

People get so caught up on offense and offensive mechanics that they totally dismiss defense as being a key component to winning. Ain't no coincidence that the Jazz suddenly became a streaking team once they traded Kanter and was forced to play Gobert more minutes.

And we're 10-4 with Biz starting.

Aside from everything you mentioned, Biz gave us the same amount of points as a starter as Zeller does, except with much greater efficiency, and he's one of the best offensive rebounders in the NBA. Far from this hopeless offensive player that some like to suggest.

[LamarMatic7]

I think he has. He was the 7th pick, not top 3 or top 5. Jan Vesely and Derrick Williams were picked before him. All Biz has proven so far in his young career is that he's a elite rim protector and above average rebounder. If you expected him to be better than he currently is offensively then you were too optimistic or bad at evaluating expected expectations. Biz was drafted during a time when being a defensive big was very trendy to winning (and still is, just not trending anymore as much as #spacing is the new wave) with players like Ben Wallace, Tyson Chandler, and Kendrick Perkins getting offered over 10M a year just to be a plodding body in the paint.

yup, guess I was way wrong. Going on his 5th year in the league and still struggles to catch a bounce pass off a pick and roll half the time.

Over 10 years in the league and so do or did Tyson Chandler and he's a champion and DPOY winner. Knicks fans used to say he'd fumble away 10pts a game not being able to catch and finish in traffic.

Saying that in the present tense is an over-exaggeration. Chandler is among the best divers and finishers off the pick-n-roll in the league. Remember that it's not all about catching it and dunking it. Timing when to cut is vital as well, something Chandler does very well.

Edit: He's right under DeAndre Jordan and is in the same percentile as him among roll men in the pick-n-roll:

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/roll-m ... Percentile

[catch20two]

yup, guess I was way wrong. Going on his 5th year in the league and still struggles to catch a bounce pass off a pick and roll half the time.

Over 10 years in the league and so do or did Tyson Chandler and he's a champion and DPOY winner. Knicks fans used to say he'd fumble away 10pts a game not being able to catch and finish in traffic.

Saying that in the present tense is an over-exaggeration. Chandler is among the best divers and finishers off the pick-n-roll in the league. Remember that it's not all about catching it and dunking it. Timing when to cut is vital as well, something Chandler does very well.

Edit: He's right under DeAndre Jordan and is in the same percentile as him among roll men in the pick-n-roll:

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/roll-m ... Percentile

Agreed. I was just speaking on the perception Knicks fans had of Chandler not too long ago. I remember Bulls fans talking about him as a hopeless offensive player earlier in his career around Biz age too. I used pretense to say that Biz still could improve on that end and be the type of cog we could win with as a starting C.

[LamarMatic7]

Over 10 years in the league and so do or did Tyson Chandler and he's a champion and DPOY winner. Knicks fans used to say he'd fumble away 10pts a game not being able to catch and finish in traffic.

Saying that in the present tense is an over-exaggeration. Chandler is among the best divers and finishers off the pick-n-roll in the league. Remember that it's not all about catching it and dunking it. Timing when to cut is vital as well, something Chandler does very well.

Edit: He's right under DeAndre Jordan and is in the same percentile as him among roll men in the pick-n-roll:

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/roll-m ... Percentile

Agreed. I was just speaking on the perception Knicks fans had of Chandler not too long ago. I remember Bulls fans talking about him as a hopeless offensive player earlier in his career around Biz age too. I used pretense to say that Biz still could improve on that end and be the type of cog we could win with as a starting C.

Oh, ok. Then I'd say that those Knicks fans didn't know what they would get from Tyson.

As for his Chicago days - it would be fun watching a couple of Tyson's games from early on in his career with Biz in mind. Or doing the same with Washington's Ben Wallace. Heck... That could be a mid-summer blog post.

[catch20two]

Saying that in the present tense is an over-exaggeration. Chandler is among the best divers and finishers off the pick-n-roll in the league. Remember that it's not all about catching it and dunking it. Timing when to cut is vital as well, something Chandler does very well.

Edit: He's right under DeAndre Jordan and is in the same percentile as him among roll men in the pick-n-roll:

http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/roll-m ... Percentile

Agreed. I was just speaking on the perception Knicks fans had of Chandler not too long ago. I remember Bulls fans talking about him as a hopeless offensive player earlier in his career around Biz age too. I used pretense to say that Biz still could improve on that end and be the type of cog we could win with as a starting C.

Oh, ok. Then I'd say that those Knicks fans didn't know what they would get from Tyson.

As for his Chicago days - it would be fun watching a couple of Tyson's games from early on in his career with Biz in mind. Or doing the same with Washington's Ben Wallace. Heck... That could be a mid-summer blog post.

That would be a interesting and great read.

[LamarMatic7]

Agreed. I was just speaking on the perception Knicks fans had of Chandler not too long ago. I remember Bulls fans talking about him as a hopeless offensive player earlier in his career around Biz age too. I used pretense to say that Biz still could improve on that end and be the type of cog we could win with as a starting C.

Oh, ok. Then I'd say that those Knicks fans didn't know what they would get from Tyson.

As for his Chicago days - it would be fun watching a couple of Tyson's games from early on in his career with Biz in mind. Or doing the same with Washington's Ben Wallace. Heck... That could be a mid-summer blog post.

That would be a interesting and great read.

I guess I'll keep this idea in mind.

[Eoghan]

I think he has. He was the 7th pick, not top 3 or top 5. Jan Vesely and Derrick Williams were picked before him. All Biz has proven so far in his young career is that he's a elite rim protector and above average rebounder. If you expected him to be better than he currently is offensively then you were too optimistic or bad at evaluating expected expectations. Biz was drafted during a time when being a defensive big was very trendy to winning (and still is, just not trending anymore as much as #spacing is the new wave) with players like Ben Wallace, Tyson Chandler, and Kendrick Perkins getting offered over 10M a year just to be a plodding body in the paint.

yup, guess I was way wrong. Going on his 5th year in the league and still struggles to catch a bounce pass off a pick and roll half the time.

For some reason this post made me realize something kind of unfortunate. Biz struggles with bounce passes and teams blitzing Kemba on pnr's makes it hard for him to make vertical/lob passes due to his lack of size. Maybe that is why he seems to never pass to Biz? He usually can't make the passes Biz can catch due to his size and how teams try to smother him on pnr's and Biz can't catch the passes he can make out of theoe situations. I wonder if there is anything to that.

Most bounce passes are at Biz's feet b/c a pass to Biz is usually a hasty afterthought during a drive.