Towns or Okafor or Mudiay or Russel?

camillepd · Post #1161 » by **camillepd** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:31 am

darkjedi4z wrote:I thought we're automatically in the top 4 picks if we have the worst record?

Yes we are. If we finish last, the 4th pick is the worst possible pick we can get but lets pray for a top 2 pick.

nytonm · Post #1162 » by **nytonm** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:03 am

I'm hoping for the 3rd or 4th pick so we can take one of the guards (hopefully Mudiay). Towns and Okafor do nothing for me. I'm not wasting a high draft pick on a big unless they are a defensive/athletic freak. This is a perimeter oriented league nowadays.

nytonm · Post #1163 » by **nytonm** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:05 am

Double post

Worst_to_First · Post #1164 » by **Worst_to_First** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:38 am

nytonm wrote:I'm hoping for the 3rd or 4th pick so we can take one of the guards (hopefully Mudiay). Towns and Okafor do nothing for me. I'm not wasting a high draft pick on a big unless they are a defensive/athletic freak. This is a perimeter oriented league nowadays.

nytonm · Post #1165 » by **nytonm** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:51 am

Worst_to_First wrote:
nytonm wrote:I'm hoping for the 3rd or 4th pick so we can take one of the guards (hopefully Mudiay). Towns and Okafor do nothing for me. I'm not wasting a high draft pick on a big unless they are a defensive/athletic freak. This is a perimeter oriented league nowadays.

Idk Towns movements look slow and awkward to me, I don't see how he's gonna be an impact player in a league where he isn't bigger than everyone else.

DickGrayson · Post #1166 » by **DickGrayson** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 11:00 am

nytonm wrote:
Worst_to_First wrote:
nytonm wrote:I'm hoping for the 3rd or 4th pick so we can take one of the guards (hopefully Mudiay). Towns and Okafor do nothing for me. I'm not wasting a high draft pick on a big unless they are a defensive/athletic freak. This is a perimeter oriented league nowadays.

Idk Towns movements look slow and awkward to me, I don't see how he's gonna be an impact player in a league where he isn't bigger than everyone else.

Towns moves like a young Tim Duncan.

Towns is 7"0 and 250lbs. he's bigger than majority of the NBA.

Why wouldnt we draft a big man first? You're cool with Jason Smith being starting center on the Knicks?

GYK · Post #1167 » by **GYK** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 12:39 pm

Okafor doesn't play defense or get to the line. He converts well but those are glaring holes.

Da_Mane_Man · Post #1168 » by **Da_Mane_Man** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:56 pm

the desire to play defense is the only thing that can't be taught imo. you also shouldn't have this problem with the #1 overall pick. i don't know much about any of these guys, but if someone is comparing okafor's defense to amare, that is not #1 overall pick material to me, no matter how good his offense might be.

E-Balla · Post #1169 » by **E-Balla** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:09 pm

GYK wrote:Okafor doesn't play defense or get to the line. He converts well but those are glaring holes.

He gets to the line very well IDK what you're watching. Plus wouldn't the team want someone 68% from the field and 52% from the line getting fouled less?

Da_Mane_Man wrote:the desire to play defense is the only thing that can't be taught imo. you also shouldn't have this problem with the #1 overall pick. i don't know much about any of these guys, but if someone is comparing okafor's defense to amare, that is not #1 overall pick material to me, no matter how good his offense might be.

How is desire taught? And how many players play both ways in college when they're relied on to carry their teams on offense? Look at the last 5 first picks. Bennett didn't play defense, Davis did but he wasn't relied on to carry the offense, Kyrie didn't, Wall did and he carried the offense (RARE), and Blake didn't. Bennett is the only guy in the bunch that isn't a franchise player and outside of Blake who had Harden and Curry suddenly improve last offseason to become better than him all of those guys would go first in a redraft.

Post #1170 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:13 pm

i think we are sleeping on mudiay a bit as the top guard. i think if philly ends up with the #2 pick, they take him with a smile.

Post #1171 » by **moocow007** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:16 pm

Ron Mexico wrote:i think we are sleeping on mudiay a bit as the top guard. i think if philly ends up with the #2 pick, they take him with a smile.

Hard to get a grasp on Mudiay as a fan. The vast majority of us have never seen him play beyond some highlight clips. He is the fans version of Keyser Soze.

Post #1172 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:20 pm

moocow007 wrote:
Ron Mexico wrote:i think we are sleeping on mudiay a bit as the top guard. i think if philly ends up with the #2 pick, they take him with a smile.

Hard to get a grasp on Mudiay as a fan. The vast majority of us have never seen him play beyond some highlight clips. He is the fans version of Keyser Soze.

so true. and he was unfortunately injured for a good part of the season in china, so even that didn't garner him the press and exposure he needed.

going off of his skill set, i see the john wall/russell westbrook comparisons. both players improved their jumpshots. i think if that's his biggest problem, and it's not awful, you gotta like the kid.

he'll be working out for the top 5 teams anyway, so i'm sure the knicks will get a look. very excited to see how each of these kids do. i think even big jah has to work out for the top 3 this year.

GYK · Post #1173 » by **GYK** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:21 pm

E-Balla wrote:
GYK wrote:Okafor doesn't play defense or get to the line. He converts well but those are glaring holes.

He gets to the line very well IDK what you're watching. Plus wouldn't the team want someone 68% from the field and 52% from the line getting fouled less?

Da_Mane_Man wrote:the desire to play defense is the only thing that can't be taught imo. you also shouldn't have this problem with the #1 overall pick. i don't know much about any of these guys, but if someone is comparing okafor's defense to amare, that is not #1 overall pick material to me, no matter how good his offense might be.

How is desire taught? And how many players play both ways in college when they're relied on to carry their teams on offense? Look at the last 5 first picks. Bennett didn't play defense, Davis did but he wasn't relied on to carry the offense, Kyrie didn't, Wall did and he carried the offense (RARE), and Blake didn't. Bennett is the only guy in the bunch that isn't a franchise player and outside of Blake who had Harden and Curry suddenly improve last offseason to become better than him all of those guys would go first in a redraft.

He doesn't. Not in comparison to Towns or Davis. Also that's a weird game to say what was I watching as Duke took just two FT's.
You want your best player getting to line. Foul trouble is extremely important. High conversion rates do not suffer in absolutely no way hurt ability to get to the line at a high rate. Al Jefferson suffers from this in the NBA currently.

Post #1174 » by **Deeeez Knicks** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:22 pm

Ron Mexico wrote:i think we are sleeping on mudiay a bit as the top guard. i think if philly ends up with the #2 pick, they take him with a smile.

The competition in the CBA just looks really bad. Guys that cant make it in the NBA put up video game stats over there. Muddiays stats and highlights haven’t really been THAT impressive either and he has been hurt. I don’t doubt the kid has talent and potential, but there are just way more question marks around him.

But yeah, I could def see Philly picking him at #2 or #3.

DickGrayson · Post #1175 » by **DickGrayson** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:24 pm

if we end up with the #3 pick, who would you pick, Russell, Mudiay, Hezonja or WCS?

Post #1176 » by **Jeff Van Gully** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:26 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Ron Mexico wrote:i think we are sleeping on mudiay a bit as the top guard. i think if philly ends up with the #2 pick, they take him with a smile.

The competition in the CBA just looks really bad. Guys that cant make it in the NBA put up video game stats over there. Muddiays stats and highlights haven’t really been THAT impressive either and he has been hurt. I don’t doubt the kid has talent and potential, but there are just way more question marks around him.

But yeah, I could def see Philly picking him at #2 or #3.

i hear ya. it is defintiely behind the NBA and top euro leagues in terms of talent. but there are still some legit pros out there. so it's good to see a boy still competing against men. CBA is improving, but there are a LOT of stiffs out there. but you'd be surprised at the current NBA-level talent on some of those teams. one or two guys on a lot of teams who kind of go back and forth between the NBA and there.

but for those reasons, i just look at his approach to the game. i'm excited by his vigor. the kid goes hard and is genuinely unselfish. those things will translate well to the NBA.

E-Balla · Post #1177 » by **E-Balla** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:30 pm

GYK wrote:
E-Balla wrote:
GYK wrote:Okafor doesn't play defense or get to the line. He converts well but those are glaring holes.

He gets to the line very well IDK what you're watching. Plus wouldn't the team want someone 68% from the field and 52% from the line getting fouled less?

Da_Mane_Man wrote:the desire to play defense is the only thing that can't be taught imo. you also shouldn't have this problem with the #1 overall pick. i don't know much about any of these guys, but if someone is comparing okafor's defense to amare, that is not #1 overall pick material to me, no matter how good his offense might be.

How is desire taught? And how many players play both ways in college when they're relied on to carry their teams on offense? Look at the last 5 first picks. Bennett didn't play defense, Davis did but he wasn't relied on to carry the offense, Kyrie didn't, Wall did and he carried the offense (RARE), and Blake didn't. Bennett is the only guy in the bunch that isn't a franchise player and outside of Blake who had Harden and Curry suddenly improve last offseason to become better than him all of those guys would go first in a redraft.

He doesn't. Not in comparison to Towns or Davis. Also that's a weird game to say what was I watching as Duke took just two FT's.
You want your best player getting to line. Foul trouble is extremely important. High conversion rates do not suffer in absolutely no way hurt ability to get to the line at a high rate. Al Jefferson suffers from this in the NBA currently.

I mean if Okafor shoots 12-14 when he isn't fouled that's not a bad thing. He's shown there's only 2 ways to stop him; foul and pray or throw double and triple teams.

E-Balla · Post #1178 » by **E-Balla** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:32 pm

Deeeez Knicks wrote:
Ron Mexico wrote:i think we are sleeping on mudiay a bit as the top guard. i think if philly ends up with the #2 pick, they take him with a smile.

The competition in the CBA just looks really bad. Guys that cant make it in the NBA put up video game stats over there. Muddiays stats and highlights haven’t really been THAT impressive either and he has been hurt. I don’t doubt the kid has talent and potential, but there are just way more question marks around him.

But yeah, I could def see Philly picking him at #2 or #3.

Personally I love Mudiay's work ethic and maturity. He could've came straight in from high school and he would've flourished. He's just too much of a question mark on the court for me.

NBA Fan 1234 · Post #1179 » by **NBA Fan 1234** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:33 pm

DickGrayson wrote:if we end up with the #3 pick, who would you pick, Russell, Mudiay, Hezonja or WCS?

Russell, easily.

Post #1180 » by **mpharris36** » Mon Mar 23, 2015 2:36 pm

DickGrayson wrote:if we end up with the #3 pick, who would you pick, Russell, Mudiay, Hezonja or WCS?

I hope to god he isn't even being discussed for a top 5 pick (for the knicks)

Who do you go with?