FREE AGENT/Trade/Transaction Idea thread

[NoLayupRule]

Jeremy Lin needs to be a priority for the Knicks in the offseason.

either you are trying to stir some crap up or you are a total blind fan of Lin


But you might also be pointing out that Lin would be an excellent triangle pick and roll player


Shved has been doing very similar things to how Lon plays and its been great

But a "priority"? No

[moocow007]

i'm seeing a lot of taj gibson talk. isn't he under contract in chicago for a couple more seasons?

Yes. And unless the Bulls are willing to take Calderon in a trade it makes no sense for the Knicks to be thinking Taj Gibson right now. Not when you got basically 14 roster and 4 starting spots up in the air.

[Jeff Van Gully]

i'm seeing a lot of taj gibson talk. isn't he under contract in chicago for a couple more seasons?

Yes. And unless the Bulls are willing to take Calderon in a trade it makes no sense for the Knicks to be thinking Taj Gibson right now. Not when you got basically 14 roster and 4 starting spots up in the air.

ok. i thought i was buggin out again.

[Deeeez Knicks]

i'm seeing a lot of taj gibson talk. isn't he under contract in chicago for a couple more seasons?

Yes. And unless the Bulls are willing to take Calderon in a trade it makes no sense for the Knicks to be thinking Taj Gibson right now. Not when you got basically 14 roster and 4 starting spots up in the air.

if the Knicks are lucky enough to get #1 and Okafor, then I think it makes sense for the Knicks to go after Taj as he is one of the better defensive PFs and would be a great fit next to Okafor. Knicks will be under the cap so would not have to send back any salary and the Bulls may be looking to save money given the huge contract Butler is about to get and also the emergence of Mirotic. Taj may be the odd man out.

Maybe something like Tim Hardaway Jr for Taj Gibson trade?

Our front court would be pretty set, minus depth. Then i'd probably look for a 3+D sg (Danny Green maybe) and sign some 1 year guys for depth. I think we would still have significant money left over for 2016 too, especially if we trade Calderon eventually

Okafor
Taj
Melo
Danny Green
Galloway/Calderon

Could run the triangle thru Melo and Okafor and everyone else can play off them and play good defense...add one more near max star in '16 and i think we'd have something.

[mpharris36]

i'm seeing a lot of taj gibson talk. isn't he under contract in chicago for a couple more seasons?

Yes. And unless the Bulls are willing to take Calderon in a trade it makes no sense for the Knicks to be thinking Taj Gibson right now. Not when you got basically 14 roster and 4 starting spots up in the air.

if the Knicks are lucky enough to get #1 and Okafor, then I think it makes sense for the Knicks to go after Taj as he is one of the better defensive PFs and would be a great fit next to Okafor. Knicks will be under the cap so would not have to send back any salary and the Bulls may be looking to save money given the huge contract Butler is about to get and also the emergence of Mirotic. Taj may be the odd man out.

Maybe something like Tim Hardaway Jr for Taj Gibson trade?

Our front court would be pretty set, minus depth. Then i'd probably look for a 3+D sg (Danny Green maybe) and sign some 1 year guys for depth. I think we would still have significant money left over for 2016 too, especially if we trade Calderon eventually

Okafor
Taj
Melo
Danny Green
Galloway/Calderon

Could run the triangle thru Melo and Okafor and everyone else can play off them and play good defense...add one more near max star in '16 and i think we'd have something.

I could definitely role with that unit (I think Gibson and Green are both from NY too which is pretty cool). We would have about 8-9 million left over in cap space as well to upgrade the bench.

[mpharris36]

i'm seeing a lot of taj gibson talk. isn't he under contract in chicago for a couple more seasons?

Yes. And unless the Bulls are willing to take Calderon in a trade it makes no sense for the Knicks to be thinking Taj Gibson right now. Not when you got basically 14 roster and 4 starting spots up in the air.

depends on what the bulls are looking for in return. Do you think they can get a 1st rounder for Taj?

Because if we draft Okafor we will need to pair him with a plus defender at the PF position. So unless you believe we can get Draymond Green as a RFA (which doesn't seem possible). Or overpay for someone like Amir Johnson who is alright I guess.

Depending on what the bulls want...maybe they just want cap space and a young player like THjr or something like that. It would be something I would at least consider.

[moocow007]

i'm seeing a lot of taj gibson talk. isn't he under contract in chicago for a couple more seasons?

Yes. And unless the Bulls are willing to take Calderon in a trade it makes no sense for the Knicks to be thinking Taj Gibson right now. Not when you got basically 14 roster and 4 starting spots up in the air.

depends on what the bulls are looking for in return. Do you think they can get a 1st rounder for Taj?

Because if we draft Okafor we will need to pair him with a plus defender at the PF position. So unless you believe we can get Draymond Green as a RFA (which doesn't seem possible). Or overpay for someone like Amir Johnson who is alright I guess.

Depending on what the bulls want...maybe they just want cap space and a young player like THjr or something like that. It would be something I would at least consider.

Yeah I think they can get a 1st for Taj. I would imagine that if they want to match a max offer to Butler (and IMO Butler will get a max offer) then trading Gibson could turn out to be a must. Which may give a quick reacting GM some leverage in a trade (hey it's we've been on the other end of a lot of that in the past).

[Deeeez Knicks]

it would have to be a team under the cap if they didn't want to take back salary. That may limit there options. Maybe the Raptors would be an option? But i could actually see them make a run at some bigger free agents first. Or just keep Amir if Taj would cost a first rounder.

What may give us an edge is we have enough money for Taj and still to go after other free agents so we could pounce fast.

A lot would have to go a certain way for it to happen and make sense, but just an option.

[mpharris36]

it would have to be a team under the cap if they didn't want to take back salary. That may limit there options. Maybe the Raptors would be an option? But i could actually see them make a run at some bigger free agents first. Or just keep Amir if Taj would cost a first rounder.

What may give us an edge is we have enough money for Taj and still to go after other free agents so we could pounce fast.

A lot would have to go a certain way for it to happen and make sense, but just an option.

well you have the mindset especially if we do get Okafor we will sure need rim protection and defensive minded players at other positions.

[Deeeez Knicks]

it would have to be a team under the cap if they didn't want to take back salary. That may limit there options. Maybe the Raptors would be an option? But i could actually see them make a run at some bigger free agents first. Or just keep Amir if Taj would cost a first rounder.

What may give us an edge is we have enough money for Taj and still to go after other free agents so we could pounce fast.

A lot would have to go a certain way for it to happen and make sense, but just an option.

well you have the mindset especially if we do get Okafor we will sure need rim protection and defensive minded players at other positions.

Yeah, definitely. There's not many of those types of PFs around that can still keep a defense honest. I would love to get Draymond, but there's probably a good chance GS matches anything.

Taj would be one of the better options if we could get him for a good price. Maybe some of our cheaper young players like Cleanthony, Timmy, Cole, Acy would interest them.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Yes. And unless the Bulls are willing to take Calderon in a trade it makes no sense for the Knicks to be thinking Taj Gibson right now. Not when you got basically 14 roster and 4 starting spots up in the air.

depends on what the bulls are looking for in return. Do you think they can get a 1st rounder for Taj?

Because if we draft Okafor we will need to pair him with a plus defender at the PF position. So unless you believe we can get Draymond Green as a RFA (which doesn't seem possible). Or overpay for someone like Amir Johnson who is alright I guess.

Depending on what the bulls want...maybe they just want cap space and a young player like THjr or something like that. It would be something I would at least consider.

Yeah I think they can get a 1st for Taj. I would imagine that if they want to match a max offer to Butler (and IMO Butler will get a max offer) then trading Gibson could turn out to be a must. Which may give a quick reacting GM some leverage in a trade (hey it's we've been on the other end of a lot of that in the past).

butler is who i really want to jump ship to the orange and blue.

[sportscrazy]

Spencer Hawes seems like a great fit for the triangle, any way we can land him?

[mpharris36]

Spencer Hawes seems like a great fit for the triangle, any way we can land him?

first off he is under contract for 3 more years

and hawes horrendous

[melo mvp 15]

I don't think it's absolutely crazy to think that Chicago might look to trade Gibson. They're notoriously cheap and if they do splurge on Butler, they might look to shed some salary. I'm not proposing a straight up salary dump, but Tim, 1-2 2nd rounders and a decent TPE for Taj is reasonable for Chicago (and obviously great for NY).

[nykballa2k4]

Jeremy Lin needs to be a priority for the Knicks in the offseason.

either you are trying to stir some crap up or you are a total blind fan of Lin


But you might also be pointing out that Lin would be an excellent triangle pick and roll player


Shved has been doing very similar things to how Lon plays and its been great

But a "priority"? No

Lin could be a good fit with the team and most importantly he should be affordable.
We need a high bbiq point guard with good size and shooting ability. Ideally a good defender. Ideally low turnovers. We are not getting prime J-Kidd though... Knight, Rondo, Dragic are all destined to be maxed. Lin should come at a low cost. Shved could be a near min guy and we already have Galloway locked in for a low low rate.
In terms of point guards that should cost 5M or below who is better than Lin?

[And100]

I don't think it's absolutely crazy to think that Chicago might look to trade Gibson. They're notoriously cheap and if they do splurge on Butler, they might look to shed some salary. I'm not proposing a straight up salary dump, but Tim, 1-2 2nd rounders and a decent TPE for Taj is reasonable for Chicago (and obviously great for NY).

If the premise is the Bull are cheap, a TPE is a non/negative factor. The premise relies on the idea the Bull won't use TPE to acquire another player (for the same reason they're trading Gibson).

[moocow007]

i'm seeing a lot of taj gibson talk. isn't he under contract in chicago for a couple more seasons?

Yes. And unless the Bulls are willing to take Calderon in a trade it makes no sense for the Knicks to be thinking Taj Gibson right now. Not when you got basically 14 roster and 4 starting spots up in the air.

if the Knicks are lucky enough to get #1 and Okafor, then I think it makes sense for the Knicks to go after Taj as he is one of the better defensive PFs and would be a great fit next to Okafor. Knicks will be under the cap so would not have to send back any salary and the Bulls may be looking to save money given the huge contract Butler is about to get and also the emergence of Mirotic. Taj may be the odd man out.

Maybe something like Tim Hardaway Jr for Taj Gibson trade?

Our front court would be pretty set, minus depth. Then i'd probably look for a 3+D sg (Danny Green maybe) and sign some 1 year guys for depth. I think we would still have significant money left over for 2016 too, especially if we trade Calderon eventually

Okafor
Taj
Melo
Danny Green
Galloway/Calderon

Could run the triangle thru Melo and Okafor and everyone else can play off them and play good defense...add one more near max star in '16 and i think we'd have something.

Assuming the Knicks get Okafor or Towns, I would focus all attention on a top tier wing. Butler, Leonard, Dragic would be my first targets. Doesn't matter, you pick the one you want on day one offer him a max and dare his team to match. Then you move to the next one if given the opportunity. And you keep moving. Gibson who makes $8.5 million wouldn't necessarily be tops on my priority list unless they are able to move Calderon's contract.

[Jeff Van Gully]

Yes. And unless the Bulls are willing to take Calderon in a trade it makes no sense for the Knicks to be thinking Taj Gibson right now. Not when you got basically 14 roster and 4 starting spots up in the air.

if the Knicks are lucky enough to get #1 and Okafor, then I think it makes sense for the Knicks to go after Taj as he is one of the better defensive PFs and would be a great fit next to Okafor. Knicks will be under the cap so would not have to send back any salary and the Bulls may be looking to save money given the huge contract Butler is about to get and also the emergence of Mirotic. Taj may be the odd man out.

Maybe something like Tim Hardaway Jr for Taj Gibson trade?

Our front court would be pretty set, minus depth. Then i'd probably look for a 3+D sg (Danny Green maybe) and sign some 1 year guys for depth. I think we would still have significant money left over for 2016 too, especially if we trade Calderon eventually

Okafor
Taj
Melo
Danny Green
Galloway/Calderon

Could run the triangle thru Melo and Okafor and everyone else can play off them and play good defense...add one more near max star in '16 and i think we'd have something.

Assuming the Knicks get Okafor or Towns, I would focus all attention on a top tier wing. Butler, Leonard, Dragic would be my first targets. Doesn't matter, you pick the one you want on day one offer him a max and dare his team to match. Then you move to the next one if given the opportunity. And you keep moving. Gibson who makes $8.5 million wouldn't necessarily be tops on my priority list unless they are able to move Calderon's contract.

i'm with you on butler and leonard as max cats... dragic, not so much.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Yes. And unless the Bulls are willing to take Calderon in a trade it makes no sense for the Knicks to be thinking Taj Gibson right now. Not when you got basically 14 roster and 4 starting spots up in the air.

if the Knicks are lucky enough to get #1 and Okafor, then I think it makes sense for the Knicks to go after Taj as he is one of the better defensive PFs and would be a great fit next to Okafor. Knicks will be under the cap so would not have to send back any salary and the Bulls may be looking to save money given the huge contract Butler is about to get and also the emergence of Mirotic. Taj may be the odd man out.

Maybe something like Tim Hardaway Jr for Taj Gibson trade?

Our front court would be pretty set, minus depth. Then i'd probably look for a 3+D sg (Danny Green maybe) and sign some 1 year guys for depth. I think we would still have significant money left over for 2016 too, especially if we trade Calderon eventually

Okafor
Taj
Melo
Danny Green
Galloway/Calderon

Could run the triangle thru Melo and Okafor and everyone else can play off them and play good defense...add one more near max star in '16 and i think we'd have something.

Assuming the Knicks get Okafor or Towns, I would focus all attention on a top tier wing. Butler, Leonard, Dragic would be my first targets. Doesn't matter, you pick the one you want on day one offer him a max and dare his team to match. Then you move to the next one if given the opportunity. And you keep moving. Gibson who makes $8.5 million wouldn't necessarily be tops on my priority list unless they are able to move Calderon's contract.

We could do both. We would have room to take on Gibson and still offer some of those guys max deals. I think we'd have around $18mil left if we dealt Hardaway for Taj. I think Green/Butler/Leonard max start around $16mil or something.

While i would love to have any of those guys, I think they are all long shots as there teams will probably match or offer more. I would agree that i would still to go after Butler/Leonard/Draymond/Dragic, but I would also be on the phone looking for other bargain deals like Taj at the same time because we will need players like that and his contract and need would fit in perfectly.

If we get Okafor then I would def make a quality vet PF that can do some of the dirty work one of the priorities. Towns probably not so much.

But overall, I just see all those teams matching and don’t expect to get them which is why I mentioned Danny Green.

[NoLayupRule]

Jeremy Lin needs to be a priority for the Knicks in the offseason.

either you are trying to stir some crap up or you are a total blind fan of Lin


But you might also be pointing out that Lin would be an excellent triangle pick and roll player


Shved has been doing very similar things to how Lon plays and its been great

But a "priority"? No

Lin could be a good fit with the team and most importantly he should be affordable.
We need a high bbiq point guard with good size and shooting ability. Ideally a good defender. Ideally low turnovers. We are not getting prime J-Kidd though... Knight, Rondo, Dragic are all destined to be maxed. Lin should come at a low cost. Shved could be a near min guy and we already have Galloway locked in for a low low rate.
In terms of point guards that should cost 5M or below who is better than Lin?

Lin might be great in a triangle but he's a high turnover player with poor defense so he's not my first choice