#Spacing - Steve Clifford Thread

[DY_nasty]

Draft a 6'11 PF/C

play maxiel at center with 5 fouls when he was signed to be an end of rotation emergency backup

trade for mo williams to backup kemba

play mo and kemba at the same time to watch them get roasted by bigger backcourts

put lance/kemba/mo on the court together - entry passes to biyombo and maxiel because why not

#blamecho

Who picked up Maxiell off the scrap heap?

Your resident dumpster diver, that's who.

#spacing

now you're just desperately posting

my point is clear as day and you're just a broken record at this point. no one can make you stop posting but don't get upset when people treat you like a joke character from now on

[MasterIchiro]

Draft a 6'11 PF/C

play maxiel at center with 5 fouls when he was signed to be an end of rotation emergency backup

trade for mo williams to backup kemba

play mo and kemba at the same time to watch them get roasted by bigger backcourts

put lance/kemba/mo on the court together - entry passes to biyombo and maxiel because why not

#blamecho

Who picked up Maxiell off the scrap heap?

Your resident dumpster diver, that's who.

#spacing

now you're just desperately posting

my point is clear as day and you're just a broken record at this point. no one can make you stop posting but don't get upset when people treat you like a joke character from now on

Oh no DYNasty gonna treat me like a joke character. Talk to me when MKG hits a 3 and PJ hits something other than a high schooler in the forehead.

[DY_nasty]

Who picked up Maxiell off the scrap heap?

Your resident dumpster diver, that's who.

#spacing

now you're just desperately posting

my point is clear as day and you're just a broken record at this point. no one can make you stop posting but don't get upset when people treat you like a joke character from now on

Oh no DYNasty gonna treat me like a joke character. Talk to me when MKG hits a 3 and PJ hits something other than a high schooler in the forehead.

naw

stay corny and look for fans of other teams to validate your opinions. next time someone brings up our backwards high post action or entire stretches of a game that is nothing but 1 on 1 ball be sure to talk about events from preseason

[catch20two]

Cho and Clifford need to be on the hot seat to be replaced as soon as a clear upgrade become available.

[DY_nasty]

Cho and Clifford need to be on the hot seat to be replaced as soon as a clear upgrade become available.

What should Cho be in trouble for? He just swung Gary Neal for a guy that's giving us 19/7. Not only that, but he's managed to keep us flexible under the cap for the near future while steadily increasing the talent on the roster in spite of the dumpster fire he inherited. His only knock is not drafting an all-star through a bunch of a weak drafts and not holding Cliff responsible for playing guys far outside of their roles. Brian Roberts spent his time in New Orleans hitting shots within the flow of the offense and feeding the ball to their premier big - instead of doing that in Charlotte like he was signed to do, he was thrust into a role of a Jodie Meeks or JR Smith or something. Maxiel was never supposed to get this kind of burn but he's playing with 5 fouls at center like its our only option lol. If I bring you eggs for breakfast and you decide that you want to make popcorn out of it, that's on you.

[catch20two]

Cho and Clifford need to be on the hot seat to be replaced as soon as a clear upgrade become available.

What should Cho be in trouble for?

For drafting Zeller over the consensus BPA and future DPOY Noel followed by this past year's super weak free agency where Higgins couldn't be a scapegoat.

[yosemiteben]

I still think Maxiell is perfectly fine as an end of the bench big. The problem is not having him on the team, the problem is when injuries and coaching decisions lead to him having a role that he was never intended to have. In spot minutes he can surprise you because he's experienced (like pulling that huge o board in the fourth or bothering Gasol in the paint) but play him more than that and his obvious limitations are going to kill you.

[DY_nasty]

Cho and Clifford need to be on the hot seat to be replaced as soon as a clear upgrade become available.

What should Cho be in trouble for?

For drafting Zeller over the consensus BPA and future DPOY Noel followed by this past year's super weak free agency where Higgins couldn't be a scapegoat.

Noel is STILL a scary pick though. I'm not about to go crazy over that when the guy missed an entire year and still gets injuries every two weeks.

And Higgins wasn't a scapegoat either. He was legitimately bad at his job. The contracts he gave out were just crippling. If Cho wasn't winging over the hill bums for 1sts (whether he hit the jackpot on them or not, he still created assets out of liabilities) then we'd be in a much worse spot than we are today. I don't think anyone can argue that.

[catch20two]

What should Cho be in trouble for?

For drafting Zeller over the consensus BPA and future DPOY Noel followed by this past year's super weak free agency where Higgins couldn't be a scapegoat.

Noel is STILL a scary pick though. I'm not about to go crazy over that when the guy missed an entire year and still gets injuries every two weeks.

And Higgins wasn't a scapegoat either. He was legitimately bad at his job. The contracts he gave out were just crippling. If Cho wasn't winging over the hill bums for 1sts (whether he hit the jackpot on them or not, he still created assets out of liabilities) then we'd be in a much worse spot than we are today. I don't think anyone can argue that.

Bravo to Cho for being a better accountant than GM.

[yosemiteben]

I'm not at all convinced that Noel's body will handle a career as a defensive big man. And Zeller isn't exactly a bust.

[yosemiteben]

Bravo to Cho for being a better accountant than GM.

Cap management is a gigantic part of what it takes to be a good GM. Just silly to act like that's not core to what a GM does.

[Braggins]

Seriously, how can you blame Cho for Clifford playing third stringers and washed up cows over far superior players? Max, Roberts, Neal, Marvin, and Al are all awful players. Max, Roberts, and Neal are third stringers and have/had no reason to ever be on the court unless there are injuries. There is no reason or warrant to flipping out on a GM because his third stringers are bad when Clifford plays them for no reason. THEY ARE THIRD STRINGERS... Clifford is just obviously very incompetent at his job. Same goes for him playing Marvin and Al much bigger roles than they deserve and under-utilizing Biz, MKG, and Zeller.

[catch20two]

Seriously, how can you blame Cho for Clifford playing third stringers and washed up cows over far superior players? Max, Roberts, Neal, Marvin, and Al are all awful players. Max, Roberts, and Neal are third stringers and have/had no reason to ever be on the court unless there are injuries. There is no reason or warrant to flipping out on a GM because his third stringers are bad when Clifford plays them for no reason. THEY ARE THIRD STRINGERS... Clifford is just obviously very incompetent at his job. Same goes for him playing Marvin and Al much bigger roles than they deserve and under-utilizing Biz, MKG, and Zeller.

Lol. I can blame Cho for being the dummy that signed them to be starters (Marv) and 2nd stringers (Roberts). That Maxiell sh*t is on Clifford but Cho still get some blame because he coulda signed Whiteside or something instead.

[catch20two]

I'm not at all convinced that Noel's body will handle a career as a defensive big man. And Zeller isn't exactly a bust.

He's prolly been less injured than Zeller this year. In fact he's played more games than Zeller this year so that's not a prolly, that's a fact.

[catch20two]

Bravo to Cho for being a better accountant than GM.

Cap management is a gigantic part of what it takes to be a good GM. Just silly to act like that's not core to what a GM does.

Yes it is important. Never said it wasn't. But turning this team into a contender that get fans excited again is too. You people. Smh.

[Braggins]

Seriously, how can you blame Cho for Clifford playing third stringers and washed up cows over far superior players? Max, Roberts, Neal, Marvin, and Al are all awful players. Max, Roberts, and Neal are third stringers and have/had no reason to ever be on the court unless there are injuries. There is no reason or warrant to flipping out on a GM because his third stringers are bad when Clifford plays them for no reason. THEY ARE THIRD STRINGERS... Clifford is just obviously very incompetent at his job. Same goes for him playing Marvin and Al much bigger roles than they deserve and under-utilizing Biz, MKG, and Zeller.

Lol. I can blame Cho for being the dummy that signed them to be starters (Marv) and 2nd stringers (Roberts). That Maxiell sh*t is on Clifford but Cho still get some blame because he coulda signed Whiteside or something instead.

He did give Marv borderline starter money, which was foolish, but it wasn't so much that Clifford would have felt pressure to start him. Cho signs the players and Clifford manages them. I don't think Marvin's 7 million per year contract is putting pressure on Clifford to use Marvin down the stretch over better players. Clifford makes those decisions himself. Roberts making 3 million isn't going to make Clifford feel he has to play him as a primary backup. There were other options to avoid Roberts being in the rotation.

[catch20two]

Seriously, how can you blame Cho for Clifford playing third stringers and washed up cows over far superior players? Max, Roberts, Neal, Marvin, and Al are all awful players. Max, Roberts, and Neal are third stringers and have/had no reason to ever be on the court unless there are injuries. There is no reason or warrant to flipping out on a GM because his third stringers are bad when Clifford plays them for no reason. THEY ARE THIRD STRINGERS... Clifford is just obviously very incompetent at his job. Same goes for him playing Marvin and Al much bigger roles than they deserve and under-utilizing Biz, MKG, and Zeller.

Lol. I can blame Cho for being the dummy that signed them to be starters (Marv) and 2nd stringers (Roberts). That Maxiell sh*t is on Clifford but Cho still get some blame because he coulda signed Whiteside or something instead.

He did give Marv borderline starter money, but it wasn't so much that Clifford would have felt pressure to start him. Cho signs the players and Clifford manages them. I don't think Marvin's 7 million per year contract is putting pressure on Clifford to use Marvin down the stretch over better players. Clifford makes those decisions himself. Roberts making 3 million isn't going to make Clifford feel he has to play him as a primary backup. There were other options to avoid Roberts being in the rotation.

Oh, Clifford is a dummy. I'm not making no argument for Clifford's dumb rotations. I'm just saying that Cho has a part in the blame too. He coulda signed better players than Marv and Roberts. He coulda signed Mo off the back instead of wasting our time with Roberts for the first half of the season. I'm sure Mo woulda rather been in Charlotte than Minnesota but we wanted Roberts thinking he'd be a good backup and that's Cho's fault.

[DY_nasty]

Seriously, how can you blame Cho for Clifford playing third stringers and washed up cows over far superior players? Max, Roberts, Neal, Marvin, and Al are all awful players. Max, Roberts, and Neal are third stringers and have/had no reason to ever be on the court unless there are injuries. There is no reason or warrant to flipping out on a GM because his third stringers are bad when Clifford plays them for no reason. THEY ARE THIRD STRINGERS... Clifford is just obviously very incompetent at his job. Same goes for him playing Marvin and Al much bigger roles than they deserve and under-utilizing Biz, MKG, and Zeller.

Lol. I can blame Cho for being the dummy that signed them to be starters (Marv) and 2nd stringers (Roberts). That Maxiell sh*t is on Clifford but Cho still get some blame because he coulda signed Whiteside or something instead.

Marv wasn't signed to be a starter though lol. roberts was fine when his job was only to bring the ball up the court and dump it off. roberts being told to initiate offense himself is entirely something else though. he transformed from a solid backup to a pathetic gilbert arenas clone in less than two months because clifford thought that was what offense was supposed to look like.

those are REALLY small misgivings to have when you weigh it against how far we've come as whole. all the trades, the overall roster's talent level has increased, handling of certain players, free agency (i remember when people wouldn't even entertain the idea of signing in charlotte). i'm not going to overlook all of that because some role players he signed to limited deals are put into positions that they shouldn't be.

And everyone in the league could've had whiteside - the guy who washed out of sacramento of all places. cmon

You have to work hard overlook all the progress this team has made since Cho showed up. Meanwhile, you've got a coach that thinks that a crippled al jefferson post up is the definition of an easy bucket. A guy that can't get the ball inbounded. A guy thats about to repeat his mistakes and turn Mo Williams into another Gary Neal/Ben Gordon/Brian Roberts undersizedSGthatcangethotandhopefullygetusbucketsorruinourchances player.

[Braggins]

Lol. I can blame Cho for being the dummy that signed them to be starters (Marv) and 2nd stringers (Roberts). That Maxiell sh*t is on Clifford but Cho still get some blame because he coulda signed Whiteside or something instead.

He did give Marv borderline starter money, but it wasn't so much that Clifford would have felt pressure to start him. Cho signs the players and Clifford manages them. I don't think Marvin's 7 million per year contract is putting pressure on Clifford to use Marvin down the stretch over better players. Clifford makes those decisions himself. Roberts making 3 million isn't going to make Clifford feel he has to play him as a primary backup. There were other options to avoid Roberts being in the rotation.

Oh, Clifford is a dummy. I'm not making no argument for Clifford's dumb rotations. I'm just saying that Cho has a part in the blame too. He coulda signed better players than Marv and Roberts. He coulda signed Mo off the back instead of wasting our time with Roberts for the first half of the season. I'm sure Mo woulda rather been in Charlotte than Minnesota but we wanted Roberts thinking he'd be a good backup and that's Cho's fault.

Fair enough, but I'm not going to condemn a GM for making some minor bad moves with the role players he signed the first time he went into an off-season facing high expectations the following year. I think there is a pretty strong case to be made that Cho has been pretty decent and that he has done well in most of the important aspects of being a GM. His only real problems have been not fixing the SG problem, which has only really been an urgent issue the last two seasons since we were tanking before that, and signing a few bad role players before this season.

[catch20two]

Seriously, how can you blame Cho for Clifford playing third stringers and washed up cows over far superior players? Max, Roberts, Neal, Marvin, and Al are all awful players. Max, Roberts, and Neal are third stringers and have/had no reason to ever be on the court unless there are injuries. There is no reason or warrant to flipping out on a GM because his third stringers are bad when Clifford plays them for no reason. THEY ARE THIRD STRINGERS... Clifford is just obviously very incompetent at his job. Same goes for him playing Marvin and Al much bigger roles than they deserve and under-utilizing Biz, MKG, and Zeller.

Lol. I can blame Cho for being the dummy that signed them to be starters (Marv) and 2nd stringers (Roberts). That Maxiell sh*t is on Clifford but Cho still get some blame because he coulda signed Whiteside or something instead.

Marv wasn't signed to be a starter though lol. roberts was fine when his job was only to bring the ball up the court and dump it off. roberts being told to initiate offense himself is entirely something else though. he transformed from a solid backup to a pathetic gilbert arenas clone in less than two months because clifford thought that was what offense was supposed to look like.

those are REALLY small misgivings to have when you weigh it against how far we've come as whole. all the trades, the overall roster's talent level has increased, handling of certain players, free agency (i remember when people wouldn't even entertain the idea of signing in charlotte). i'm not going to overlook all of that because some role players he signed to limited deals are put into positions that they shouldn't be.

And everyone in the league could've had whiteside - the guy who washed out of sacramento of all places. cmon

You have to work hard overlook all the progress this team has made since Cho showed up. Meanwhile, you've got a coach that thinks that a crippled al jefferson post up is the definition of an easy bucket. A guy that can't get the ball inbounded. A guy thats about to repeat his mistakes and turn Mo Williams into another Gary Neal/Ben Gordon/Brian Roberts undersizedSGthatcangethotandhopefullygetusbucketsorruinourchances player.

Well we went from a topped out .500 team into intentionally the worst team in NBA history back into a subpar .500 team under Cho. Wasn't nowhere to go but up after being the worst team in NBA history. Wake me up when we're winning 50 games under Cho which is possible but prolly 3 years from now. Pretty much stuck with this roster until the 2016-17 season.

I don't think Cho is a bad GM but I haven't been in agreement with much he's done since drafting MKG 3 years ago.