Nets/Celtics PG: We Suck Again

[MaxZaslofskyJr]

Creating an open and on balance 8 footer is a bad shot now? I'll take note of that and ignore everything else. Especially being proved wrong about the FTs and the layups.

yes. lopez taking a 8-14 foot shotput shot is a bad shot. he settles for it all the time. can he make it? yes. should he take it? no. not when we have seen him catch in the same spot, take one dribble, explode and finsih at the rim. that is a much higher percentage shot with a much better chance of drawing a foul.

I don't know if you recall when Bill Russell was an announcer or not. For all of his experience, he'd pretty much say the same thing over and over and over again. One of his favorites was to adroitly point out a dozen times a game that if the center for team X could just hit a few jumpers, the center for team Y would have to roam farther from the basket in order to cover him and thus allow the little guys inside. Of course, it was a different game back then with different defenses ... and different centers.

[Prokorov]

Creating an open and on balance 8 footer is a bad shot now? I'll take note of that and ignore everything else. Especially being proved wrong about the FTs and the layups.

yes. lopez taking a 8-14 foot shotput shot is a bad shot. he settles for it all the time. can he make it? yes. should he take it? no. not when we have seen him catch in the same spot, take one dribble, explode and finsih at the rim. that is a much higher percentage shot with a much better chance of drawing a foul.

I don't know if you recall when Bill Russell was an announcer or not. For all of his experience, he'd pretty much say the same thing over and over and over again. One of his favorites was to adroitly point out a dozen times a game that if the center for team X could just hit a few jumpers, the center for team Y would have to roam farther from the basket in order to cover him and thus allow the little guys inside. Of course, it was a different game back then with different defenses ... and different centers.

the problem is, lopez shooting a 8-14 footer isnt opening anything up inside. what space does 10 foot shotput shot create under the rim. even out to 16-20 feet when he shoots those, how often do you see bigs closing out on him at that distance? often he is left all alone and dared to shoot it.

id much rather he work on shooting 3s, at least if he hit 30+ percent fo those it would be worth it, and then maybe it would create some space. but teams are hapy to let centers take long 2s.

either way, we have seen lopez catch at 10 or 12 feet then take a dribble and destroy the rim with a dunk. there is no reason that isnt the norm isntead of that flip shot put shot which he can make but is lower percentage with no chance of a foul.

[Paradise]

I find it very hard to believe you guys could just ignore all of the shots that Deron created, only focus on the 2 for 6 (even though he had 6 FTs), and ignore the defense that he brought to table. The Celtics were flooding the strong side, trapping him hard - he still made all the right plays. Created a ton of paint shots and 3s. Found guys on the break too. Should he have been more aggressive trying to score? Sure. But he had Avery Bradley on him - an elite defender - and the Celtics trap hard and flood the paint. They force you to move the ball.

Creating shots is fine but when will he start making his?

[MGrand15]

Creating an open and on balance 8 footer is a bad shot now? I'll take note of that and ignore everything else. Especially being proved wrong about the FTs and the layups.

yes. lopez taking a 8-14 foot shotput shot is a bad shot. he settles for it all the time. can he make it? yes. should he take it? no. not when we have seen him catch in the same spot, take one dribble, explode and finsih at the rim. that is a much higher percentage shot with a much better chance of drawing a foul.

either way, dwill passing to a flashing lopez in the FT area really isnt creating anything. thats lopez.

and yea, you were wrong about FTs. 1 of williams 6 free throws came on attacking the rim. you even outlined it yourself.

and yeah, he didnt create easy offense for everyone.

I'm not sure why you are being so combative on this, it is clear to everyone dwills didnt have a positive impact on the game and played somewhere between underwhelming and bad and was part of why we lost.

I mean - you didn't watch the game - so all of this talk is useless. You said his FTs came from in the bonus non-shooting fouls. That was wrong. 4 FTs were on shooting fouls. You said all of his assists came from long jumpers and not attacking the rim. 4 of his assists were straight layups. 3 of them were on wide open floaters 8 feet or closer. The rest were Brook taking 10-14 foot floaters. On every single one except for the transition one, he was being doubled while driving or collapsed the defense. Every single one.

[MGrand15]

I find it very hard to believe you guys could just ignore all of the shots that Deron created, only focus on the 2 for 6 (even though he had 6 FTs), and ignore the defense that he brought to table. The Celtics were flooding the strong side, trapping him hard - he still made all the right plays. Created a ton of paint shots and 3s. Found guys on the break too. Should he have been more aggressive trying to score? Sure. But he had Avery Bradley on him - an elite defender - and the Celtics trap hard and flood the paint. They force you to move the ball.

Creating shots is fine but when will he start making his?

If the rest of the team was efficient enough to score 10 points on only 6 shots, we'd be in much better shape. At least he followed his poor shooting night by creating for others, rotating on defense, rebounding. Actually contributing.

[Prokorov]

I mean - you didn't watch the game - so all of this talk is useless. You said his FTs came from in the bonus non-shooting fouls. That was wrong. 4 FTs were on shooting fouls. You said all of his assists came from long jumpers and not attacking the rim. 4 of his assists were straight layups. 3 of them were on wide open floaters 8 feet or closer. The rest were Brook taking 10-14 foot floaters. On every single one except for the transition one, he was being doubled while driving or collapsed the defense. Every single one.

i said his FTs didnt come from attacking the rim and that 4 of them came on bonus shots. sorry if i was off by 1 trip. point is the same, only 1 of his 6 free throws came on him attacking the rim.

he created nothing on offense. passing to someone to shoot a mid range jumper or floater isnt creating offense. thats getting assists because you are dominating the ball but not taking any shots.

it seems you are the one who didnt watch, basing opinions off a box score that shows a near triple double when deron was a negative on the floor without a doubt

[Paradise]

I find it very hard to believe you guys could just ignore all of the shots that Deron created, only focus on the 2 for 6 (even though he had 6 FTs), and ignore the defense that he brought to table. The Celtics were flooding the strong side, trapping him hard - he still made all the right plays. Created a ton of paint shots and 3s. Found guys on the break too. Should he have been more aggressive trying to score? Sure. But he had Avery Bradley on him - an elite defender - and the Celtics trap hard and flood the paint. They force you to move the ball.

Creating shots is fine but when will he start making his?

If the rest of the team was efficient enough to score 10 points on only 6 shots, we'd be in much better shape. At least he followed his poor shooting night by creating for others, rotating on defense, rebounding. Actually contributing.

You do realize Deron has been roughly shooting 38% from the field and 33% from 3 all season, right? This wasn't an off night.

Look at what Westbrook is doing to keep his team in the 8th seed. Yes, it's historical but Is it really that ridiculous to demand our best guard to play at his best?

[Prokorov]

also, can we stop pretending that derons 9 rebounds meant anything? its not like he was snatching them away from bigs or generating breaks off of it.

we did nothing on the break, and gaurd rebounds are largely irrelevant. something like 70% of gaurd rebounds are uncontested. vs the celtics whose bigs play behind the 3 point line gaurd reboudns arent really uncommon or anything special.