The Russell Westbrook Thread (2014/15)

[NaturalThunder]

Oh, and another note:

The Thunder are 5-11 without Westbrook (I don't count the Clipper game the second game of the season since he only played 8 minutes before breaking his hand) this season and 36-19 with Westbrook. That 36-18 record puts them at a .655 win%, which would be good enough for 4th place in a brutal Western Conference. All that with Durant missing the majority of those games, Ibaka now missing more than a handful of those games, and a revolving door of pieces/players on a night-to-night basis due to the never-ending onslaught of injuries.

And before you say something "clever" about OKC not winning a championship in the playoffs, that's not the point of my post or any of these posts. You're just dragging up tired, recycled, cliche Westbrook hater-speak from over the years. You're not being original, or funny, or clever, or even a little bit intelligent. You're spewing crap Westbrook haters have been spewing for years. The fact of the matter is that Westbrook is playing at an ELITE level as a POINT GUARD, while winning at a clip good enough that, had he not missed 16 games himself, would have OKC in position for HCA in the first round. That's what this thread is about.

[spearsy23]

Help, We've all been dragged under a bridge!

Yes by a bunch of OKC trolls who are butthurt about the most innocent and historically accurate of comments.

God forbid I say something worse - like his fashion sense is drag-queenish and I think he looks like a peanut.

Neither of which would matter if John Stockton would maybe paddle him on the backside and teach him a thing or two about solidarity.

John Stockton. Now there's a winning point guard.

[NaturalThunder]

Durant is not a good defender (average to above average really)

Yet almost every defensive metric known to man says otherwise. Same with Westbrook, who by almost every defensive metric is a plus defender, yet you keep saying he's a bad defender, too.

[dfins891]

Again, you could just shut up and let Russell put up and "prove me wrong" right?

This whole Westbrook can't win a championship thing is kind of ridiculously dumb since the team has literally not been healthy since they were in the finals with a 22 year old KD/Westbrook and 21 years old Ibaka/Harden and baring some miraculous recoveries to Durant and Ibaka will once again not get a legit shot to win it this season. So those injuries might have something to do with why they haven't won one yet. There is only 1 championship ring to go around, its not that easy to win one. Ask Stockton or Nash, who led great offenses playing to your liking I assume (a pass first point guard). Seems like you are playing with house money on that proclamation.

[freelancegenius]

Then go fact check it.

I have zero interest in feeding trolls or getting off track here.

Sure, if we ignore that it has been every bit as efficient this season. Hasn't somebody been missing most of this season?

aberrations happen? strength of schedule? others lifting their game? do I care? PLAYOFFS. WAKE ME UP. etc etc.

Solid Holistic to post ratio for you. I too like using words I've just learned.
To your actual 'point,' it's a good thing Westbrook is a plus defender, is above average efficiency and plays with a player who posts similar usage rates when they play together. That's three strikes in one sentence.

only someone with a low iq and childish need to be passive aggressive would be so threatened by the word "holistic". It's in the dictionary. I know you Midwesterners are frightened by books not called the Bible, and tornadoes, but I assure you it's just an average word. Hes a neutral defender at best, is a BELOW average scorer (shot jacker really), and his USAGE RATE (another trees vs. forest kind of term) means nothing to me when I can just use the word "ballhog".

So yea 3 strikes..........AGAINST YOU. AGAN.

Nah, I don't really want to forget them just because they prove you wrong.

winning is everything. and your precious team, is a loser. wake me up when you get back to the Finals. You couldn't prove me wrong if you and your entire fanbase of 400 banned together and scratched your mullets with pencils for hours. statistics mean nothing to me, in the grand scope of things. but they're pretty, so you simpletons tend to run around with a weird grin on your face chasing them like a pink balloon.

Can you tell me which player should dominate the ball? I thought it was generally in your best interest to The ball in the hands of the guy who makes your offense the best.

handle, and dominate, are not synonyms.

...that's not only not so ironic, it's not ironic at all. Beyond that, good thing OKC is well over .500 during Westbrook's stretch. This was a classic deflection, one that had zero to do with the topic at hand.

oh stop it silly. you salt of the earth types get intimidated by big words like "deflection" and " holistic". I think you meant IT WAS AN ALLUSION . Not to be confused by ILLUSION, which is what Russell's so-called "production" is causing you to see.

Tony Parker- 108 in 185 minutes
russell Westbrook- 120 in 211 minutes

lol you didn't post the efficiency or # games. CLASSIC "deflection"

That's no more true than it is for Westbrook.

Except it is. IT REALLY REALLY IS.

I'll assume you didn't like Isiah Thomas or Tony Parker either. Somehow they still won without your approval.

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My approval? Huh? Isiah was a combo-guard who produced ABOUT as many points for himself as he did for others during their stretch of playoff runs. He share duties with Joe and Micro. He also did something like try and play defense. Parker plays within the flow of the offense, and apparently you cant read, as I mentioned 20+ shots a game on average, which he rarely, if ever, has done. Spurs use a spread offense, offshoot of the Princeton, it behooves them to have a PG who can both initiate the offense while looking to exploit the defense at times as a secondary read.

[freelancegenius]

Again, you could just shut up and let Russell put up and "prove me wrong" right?

This whole Westbrook can't win a championship thing is kind of ridiculously dumb since the team has literally not been healthy since they were in the finals with a 22 year old KD/Westbrook and 21 years old Ibaka/Harden and baring some miraculous recoveries to Durant and Ibaka will once again not get a legit shot to win it this season. So those injuries might have something to do with why they haven't won one yet. There is only 1 championship ring to go around, its not that easy to win one. Ask Stockton or Nash, who led great offenses playing to your liking I assume (a pass first point guard). Seems like you are playing with house money on that proclamation.

What's ridiculously dumb is RIDICULOUDLY dumb simpletons like you getting your panties in a twist over someone's educated opinion.

Again, why don't all of you shut up, stop trolling, stop hating, and LET HIM PROVE ME AND OTHERS WRONG. Until then, who cares? It's all conjecture on your part at this point. He hasn't won, for reasons that fall squarely on his shoulders, unlike Stockton, who did HIS job to the best of HIS ability within HIS role.

[freelancegenius]

Help, We've all been dragged under a bridge!

Yes by a bunch of OKC trolls who are butthurt about the most innocent and historically accurate of comments.

God forbid I say something worse - like his fashion sense is drag-queenish and I think he looks like a peanut.

Neither of which would matter if John Stockton would maybe paddle him on the backside and teach him a thing or two about solidarity.

John Stockton. Now there's a winning point guard.

usually highschool kids know they've lost an argument when they have to fish the internet for moronic and childish memes that hilariously reflect only on yourself.

I agree, youre a hater, as they say in the parlance of our times, and you need to get a life. All of you are crawling out from under your bridge to be butthurt over one man's educated opinion. If you feel so right, why need to vindicate yourself? Why band together to post so much? LET RUSS DO THE TALKING FOR YOU. Since he cares so much about your feelings, and loves you, AND plays just for YOU, so that you can adorn him with kisses and foot massages.

Russell Westbrook loves each of you like the precious mullet snowflakes you are, and he will show that mean ol' genius just how wrong he was about historical accuracies repeating themselves. Mean ol' genius is gonna eat sauted crow with a side of embarrassment sauce.

Good? Great. NEXT.

[dfins891]

He hasn't won, for reasons that fall squarely on his shoulders, unlike Stockton, who did HIS job to the best of HIS ability within HIS role.

I know you are trolling so I don't know why I keep taking the bait, but really? The reasons fall squarely on his shoulders? They lost in 2012, obviously not because of Westbrook, their offense was actually better in that series than it was in the regular season. They lost because they could not stop the Heat on defense because they had no one to guard Lebron and Scott Brooks stubbornly stayed big most of the time leaving Battier and Miller wide open to hit 3 after 3.

Since then Westbrook was out for the 2013 playoffs, Ibaka got knocked out last year, and obviously Durant is out this season. Those injuries were Westbrook's fault? Should Westbrook have played through his torn meniscus in 2013?

[spearsy23]

I have zero interest in feeding trolls or getting off track here.

How does the species survive otherwise?

aberrations happen? strength of schedule? others lifting their game? do I care? PLAYOFFS. WAKE ME UP. etc etc.

Right, I wonder who lifted their game for OKC. Any ideas?

only someone with a low iq and childish need to be passive aggressive would be so threatened by the word "holistic". It's in the dictionary. I know you Midwesterners are frightened by books not called the Bible, and tornadoes, but I assure you it's just an average word.

Holistic, that means when your argument is full of holes, right? I mean, all I've got to go on are the context clues you're giving me.

Hes a neutral defender at best,

Nope, slightly above average.

is a BELOW average scorer (shot jacker really)

Nope, slightly above average efficiency on large volume. That's what we call a very good scorer

and his USAGE RATE (another trees vs. forest kind of term) means nothing to me when I can just use the word "ballhog".

That's okay, we can't all understand advanced stats. It means how much he shoots or turns the ball over.

So yea 3 strikes..........AGAINST YOU. AGAN.

Well... D for effort.

winning is everything. and your precious team, is a loser.

I think we might be the winningest team over the last five years.

wake me up when you get back to the Finals.

You mean it, you really sleeping this time?

You couldn't prove me wrong if you and your entire fanbase of 400 banned together and scratched your mullets with pencils for hours.

I'm not exactly sure how that would prove you wrong to begin with. I'm glad to know I have a fan base though.

statistics mean nothing to me, in the grand scope of things. but they're pretty, so you simpletons tend to run around with a weird grin on your face chasing them like a pink balloon.

nothing could prove you wrong, you're not actually debating anything. I'm just here to see what personal attacks you have before you end up banned, and because it's a slow night.

handle, and dominate, are not synonyms.

Tell me who should have the ball.

oh stop it silly. you salt of the earth types get intimidated by big words like "deflection" and " holistic". I think you meant IT WAS AN ALLUSION . Not to be confused by ILLUSION, which is what Russell's so-called "production" is causing you to see.

Yes, alluding to an irrelevant piece of information is a deflection.

lol you didn't post the efficiency or # games. CLASSIC "deflection"

Games- 5 each
Efficiency- Parker more efficient. But wait, you said a pg who shot that much could never win a championship. Has Tony Parker ever won a championship?

Except it is. IT REALLY REALLY IS.

Nah, it isn't. You apparently didn't watch the series. It was all Parker p&r, the same play they run repeatedly for Westbrook.

My approval? Huh? Isiah was a combo-guard who produced ABOUT as many points for himself as he did for others during their stretch of playoff runs.

But you just said a pg who creates for himself more than others couldn't win.

He share duties with Joe and Micro. He also did something like try and play defense.

Good thing there's some guy named Kevin Durant, and Russ is a plus defender.

Parker plays within the flow of the offense, and apparently you cant read, as I mentioned 20+ shots a game on average, which he rarely, if ever, has done.

I literally posted an example of a series where he did.

Spurs use a spread offense, offshoot of the Princeton, it behooves them to have a PG who can both initiate the offense while looking to exploit the defense at times as a secondary read.

so you're telling me Westbrook is actually hurting the Thunder's offense that, with Russ, is better than San Antonio's?

[spearsy23]

usually highschool kids know they've lost an argument when they have to fish the internet for moronic and childish memes that hilariously reflect only on yourself.

I agree, youre a hater, as they say in the parlance of our times, and you need to get a life. All of you are crawling out from under your bridge to be butthurt over one man's educated opinion. If you feel so right, why need to vindicate yourself? Why band together to post so much? LET RUSS DO THE TALKING FOR YOU. Since he cares so much about your feelings, and loves you, AND plays just for YOU, so that you can adorn him with kisses and foot massages.

Russell Westbrook loves each of you like the precious mullet snowflakes you are, and he will show that mean ol' genius just how wrong he was about historical accuracies repeating themselves. Mean ol' genius is gonna eat sauted crow with a side of embarrassment sauce.

Good? Great. NEXT.

Your educated opinion? Can I see your credentials please?

[ardee]

This guy is making personal attacks... Mods should get in on this.

[spearsy23]

This guy is making personal attacks... Mods should get in on this.

They're most likely all sleeping. I'm enjoying the imagery though.

[freelancegenius]

He hasn't won, for reasons that fall squarely on his shoulders, unlike Stockton, who did HIS job to the best of HIS ability within HIS role.

I know you are trolling so I don't know why I keep taking the bait, but really? The reasons fall squarely on his shoulders? They lost in 2012, obviously not because of Westbrook, their offense was actually better in that series than it was in the regular season. They lost because they could not stop the Heat on defense because they had no one to guard Lebron and Scott Brooks stubbornly stayed big most of the time leaving Battier and Miller wide open to hit 3 after 3.

Since then Westbrook was out for the 2013 playoffs, Ibaka got knocked out last year, and obviously Durant is out this season. Those injuries were Westbrook's fault? Should Westbrook have played through his torn meniscus in 2013?

the only troll is the kid(s) who gets butthurt about a dissenting opinion. why so mad? I thought you okc'ers were more into monster trucks than poorly managed fringe teams relying on fans to overrate their micro-SG whose a turnover machine.

the knicks are the worst team in basketball, and you guys are getting sore-assed about my dislike for ballhogging inefficient "PG's".

Have some backbone. The proof is in the pudding. I thought mid-westerners had WAY more self esteem and assurance than this. I mean I'm not even in the minority here. Most people agree with me. Except for the uninitiated who have to adorn their crappy arguments with Bill James' baseball crossover metrics. Yes lets use baseball metrics to ascribe value in a chaotic game. What's next - string theory?

I actually didn't read the rest of whatever you're peddling. Westbrook took more shots in that series at a 43% clip than arguably the greatest scorer since Jordan. PERIOD.

[freelancegenius]

How does the species survive otherwise?

well youre still alive, unfortunately, so clearly your like are feasting quite well. How's 4chan doing? I'm sure that's right up your alley. Do all OKC fans flock against dissenters, or is it just the insanely insecure ones?

Right, I wonder who lifted their game for OKC. Any ideas?

in the playoffs? sorry what season is this? clearly you're not a golfer. btw, I never once said Brook isn't playing well right now. But again, the ignorant will usually ignore compliments, and stare at a tree while I look at the whole landscape.

Holistic, that means when your argument is full of holes, right? I mean, all I've got to go on are the context clues you're giving me.

i apologize. i didn't realize you couldn't read. mental handicap is not something i typically make fun of. but you are pretty belligerent. So.... I've made my point clear as day. You're just mad is all. My point is so airtight, you couldn't squeeze a fart out of it. I guess noobs to the sport enjoy watching highlight reels of PG's who jack up more shots than the greatest scorer in the past 15 years. Because that's ingenious.

Nope, slightly above average.

eh. scraping the bottom of the barrel here kiddo.

Nope, slightly above average efficiency on large volume. That's what we call a very good scorer

He's an inefficient chucker who sacrifices team equilibrium for his own glory.

That's okay, we can't all understand advanced stats. It means how much he shoots or turns the ball over.

Ah. More pathetic trolling. Usually those who fall short downstairs try and overcompensate upstairs. Unfortunately for you there's not much going on there either. I'm well aware of the definition of each advanced stat, course I'd have to look up a good half of them, and so would you. Because about .01% of the fan populous could legitimately define what a win share is. Because it's an artificial "stat" that is not something you can witness on the court. I think I'll stick with common sense over crossover baseball metrics. PPS is a stat I like that - you can explain that to a 10 year old.

Well... D for effort.

So A for effort, b/c it took no effort to clown you....again. Did you mean D for Westbrook's defense? Or just his horrible PG acumen?

I think we might be the winningest team over the last five years.

that's almost scary how desperately you have to lie.

You mean it, you really sleeping this time?

I try to ignore trolls. But you guys are so self-deprecating without realizing it, it's adorable. Watching you guys dig holes is cute.

I'm not exactly sure how that would prove you wrong to begin with. I'm glad to know I have a fan base though.

it wouldn't. because you can't.

nothing could prove you wrong, you're not actually debating anything. I'm just here to see what personal attacks you have before you end up banned, and because it's a slow night.

or before YOU only get "banned". check my other posts genius. I've written some eloquent sh*t that's received many a kudos. I'm enlightened, and you're butthurt. I've already put my point across...you got sore-assed about it. I'm sorry youre sore-assed about my inflections about Westbrook. I didn't realize everyone had to agree with your man crush for him. You guys are like Jordan fans; only without an MVP or ring to brag about.

what about you shutting up and letting Wbrook prove your asinine points for you in real actual life don't you get? You're bragging about an 8th seed team? THAT'S your MVP? This whole time you've missed the point by such a long mile its embarrassing for you, it HAS to be. There have been a dozen Westbrook type "PG's" before, there are about half a dozen in the league TODAY, there will be more to come. They don't win, haven't won, won't win. EVER. I don't need statistic anomalies or crossover metrics to tell me what history already has. But hey, you enjoy your Steve Francises, Stephon Marburys, Oscar Robertsons, Nate Archibalds (who I've met twice, nice family), Derrick Roses, Kyrie Irvings, Steph Currys, and Allen Iversons.

Tell me who should have the ball.

Eric Snow.

Yes, alluding to an irrelevant piece of information is a deflection.

everything i say has been relevant. but you cant read remember? and i don't deflect....ever. the mirror's been pointed at you for awhile. keep digging. its hilarious.

Games- 5 each
Efficiency- Parker more efficient. But wait, you said a pg who shot that much could never win a championship. Has Tony Parker ever won a championship?

post a link, post the # of shots, post the FG%. Then ask yourself if on the grand scale, if Parker jacks up 20+ shots per game on middling efficiency while calling off sets and freelancing. oh wait that's right, i already MENTIONED Parker, the spread offense, and how he's a rare exception. still doesn't jack up 20+ shots a night on 43% shooting.

Nah, it isn't. You apparently didn't watch the series. It was all Parker p&r, the same play they run repeatedly for Westbrook.

You didn't even say WHAT series kiddo. But I've watched all their "series"...at least most. Taking what the defense gives you, and forcing 120 shots on 43% shooting are kinda, ya know, NOT the same thing. If you're SERIOUSLY trying to contend that Westbrook and Parker are similar point guards, then please take some medication.

But you just said a pg who creates for himself more than others couldn't win.

apparently people in OKC don't know what the word MORE means.

Good thing there's some guy named Kevin Durant, and Russ is a plus defender.

He's a net neutral defender at best. At times above average. Too bad you didn't get rid of Cancerbrook and deal him for Paul. Or maybe a competent big.

I literally posted an example of a series where he did.

You STILL haven't linked to which series, and I just responded to that. Look up.

so you're telling me Westbrook is actually hurting the Thunder's offense that, with Russ, is better than San Antonio's?

So you see things that aren't actually written yet too? Hmm....schizophrenia with a touch of paranoia definitely.

I said, or alluded to, that IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS....Russell is not a PG, and IN THE LONG RUN, is being MISUTILIZED and is NOT a winning type of PG.

LEARN.............TO...............READ.

[freelancegenius]

This guy is making personal attacks... Mods should get in on this.

Are you going to tattle on me for being a man and returning fire with fire? I'm kinda like Westbrook, I have to go 1 on 5 here.

Pack mentalities usually involve inferior, insecure, untough individuals.

Funny how you didn't mention THEIR "personal attacks"...btw, I didn't even view them as attacks, I've actually been in some hairy situations, and this is more of a minor annoyance. Like babysitting kids - or going to the dentist.

Maybe you should report them first, and mind your business. I assume you're probably of adult age - if you're into the whole kindergarten tattle-tale thing, based completely on an EXTREMELY oversensitive scared mindset rather than anything actually bad I've said, then maybe adult conversations aren't for you, and you should let your mommy tuck you into bed, and read you Jumanji.

[freelancegenius]

This guy is making personal attacks... Mods should get in on this.

They're most likely all sleeping. I'm enjoying the imagery though.

The imagery of you getting banned? Yea, me too kiddo.

Apparently mid-westerners can't handle some innocent banter. Shame. Thought I was talking to a grown man at first...

[spearsy23]

[freelancegenius]

:wave:

i will match your childish passive aggressiveness, and up you. and I've got a couple tricks up my sleeves offsite. i think you'll find them eye-opening.