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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone Leaning Towards UW? PG 40 

Post#821 » by On_Wisconsin » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:00 pm

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On_Wisconsin wrote:Koenig/Hayes/Happ/Stone with a fifth guy like Pritzl/Iverson/Showalter/Hill completely murders teams.

Koenig/Showalter/Hayes/Happ/Stone
Holy hell that would be amazing to watch.

I know Happ is super talented and everything but how is he as a shooter? That would be icing on the cake honestly


He came in with it being a weakness, but in one of the articles hyping him it talked about how he's pretty efficient now IN PRACTICES because they changed his form.


Have to make shots in practice before you make them in a game so it sounds like progress is being made. Thanks
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Post#822 » by tski1972 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:10 pm

Schlundt could be a Clayton Hanson type player before he's done at UW. Tons of similarities in the two.
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone Leaning Towards UW? PG 40 

Post#823 » by Mr Anonymous » Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:45 pm

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Mr Anonymous wrote:You'd think Kaminsky would be the final reminder we'd need not to judge Bo Ryan recruits based off of their production through their sophomore season.


Kaminsky showed some signs at the end of his shmore year that he was at least a shooter, aside from Koenig and Hayes we have seen nothing from underclass man.


If by signs you're referring to his sophomore line of 10.3 MIN .439 FG% 1.8 REB and 4.2 PPG then yeah I can totally see how everybody saw this leap coming. :roll:

Btw, his final 10 games that year he averaged 11.1 MIN, made all of 10 total field goals, and averaged 3 PPG.

You cannot begin to close the book on a Bo Ryan player until his 3rd year on the floor.
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Post#824 » by KidA24 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:12 pm

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Mr Anonymous wrote:You'd think Kaminsky would be the final reminder we'd need not to judge Bo Ryan recruits based off of their production through their sophomore season.


Kaminsky showed some signs at the end of his shmore year that he was at least a shooter, aside from Koenig and Hayes we have seen nothing from underclass man.


If by signs you're referring to his sophomore line of 10.3 MIN .439 FG% 1.8 REB and 4.2 PPG then yeah I can totally see how everybody saw this leap coming. :roll:

Btw, his final 10 games that year he averaged 11.1 MIN, made all of 10 total field goals, and averaged 3 PPG.

You cannot begin to close the book on a Bo Ryan player until his 3rd year on the floor.


The signs were in watching the games. I went to every home game during Frank's first 2 years.

His freshman year he looked gangly, hesitant and awkward... except when he caught the ball. Even then he looked smooth.
His Sophomore year, he improved quite a bit. He was much more decisive with the ball, even if he wasn't scoring.
He wasn't going to get minutes, as Berggren was the C.
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone Leaning Towards UW? PG 40 

Post#825 » by Mr Anonymous » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:21 pm

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Kaminsky showed some signs at the end of his shmore year that he was at least a shooter, aside from Koenig and Hayes we have seen nothing from underclass man.


If by signs you're referring to his sophomore line of 10.3 MIN .439 FG% 1.8 REB and 4.2 PPG then yeah I can totally see how everybody saw this leap coming. :roll:

Btw, his final 10 games that year he averaged 11.1 MIN, made all of 10 total field goals, and averaged 3 PPG.

You cannot begin to close the book on a Bo Ryan player until his 3rd year on the floor.


The signs were in watching the games. I went to every home game during Frank's first 2 years.

His freshman year he looked gangly, hesitant and awkward... except when he caught the ball. Even then he looked smooth.
His Sophomore year, he improved quite a bit. He was much more decisive with the ball, even if he wasn't scoring.
He wasn't going to get minutes, as Berggren was the C.


No one was calling for what he did last year. No one saw that coming. To represent so would be ridiculous. Saying there were signs he'd improve is like saying nothing at all. Most Juniors are better than their Sophomore season, especially if they're due for a big jump in PT. Why are people clinging to this idea that all these sophomores at UW who panned out had everybody predicting big things going into their Junior year when the evidence is the exact opposite?

It's revisionist history.
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Post#826 » by tski1972 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:28 pm

didn't Frank have kind of a breakout game against Indiana his Soph. season only to sustain an eye injury? I think there were some signs, but they weren't pointing to what he eventually became.
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Post#827 » by HaroldinGMinor » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:35 pm

tski1972 wrote:didn't Frank have kind of a breakout game against Indiana his Soph. season only to sustain an eye injury? I think there were some signs, but they weren't pointing to what he eventually became.


Sort of. He was 2/2 on three pointers. Guess it was a breakout since no one expected it.
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone Leaning Towards UW? PG 40 

Post#828 » by Mr Anonymous » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:35 pm

tski1972 wrote:didn't Frank have kind of a breakout game against Indiana his Soph. season only to sustain an eye injury? I think there were some signs, but they weren't pointing to what he eventually became.


Yes indeed. There was plenty of reason to think that with increased PT the following year he could be a solid piece. Which I believe is all anyone is saying for players like Showalter.
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Post#829 » by Johnlac1 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:42 pm

tski1972 wrote:didn't Frank have kind of a breakout game against Indiana his Soph. season only to sustain an eye injury? I think there were some signs, but they weren't pointing to what he eventually became.

He had a 19 pt and 16 pt game. I mean, he didn't look like a complete loser, but nobody thought he'd be this good. I have read some Badger on the staff thought he'd be this good, but I can't remember his name.
I just remember seeing him in many games not do much of anything. Just shows how much some players can improve. I suspect he was right on the verge of getting both his athleticism and skills together. All he needed was one more summer. Sometimes just an improvement of a few percentage pts. is all it takes. I hope the same thing happens for Vitto Brown and Showalter.
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone Leaning Towards UW? PG 40 

Post#830 » by KidA24 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:43 pm

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Mr Anonymous wrote:
If by signs you're referring to his sophomore line of 10.3 MIN .439 FG% 1.8 REB and 4.2 PPG then yeah I can totally see how everybody saw this leap coming. :roll:

Btw, his final 10 games that year he averaged 11.1 MIN, made all of 10 total field goals, and averaged 3 PPG.

You cannot begin to close the book on a Bo Ryan player until his 3rd year on the floor.


The signs were in watching the games. I went to every home game during Frank's first 2 years.

His freshman year he looked gangly, hesitant and awkward... except when he caught the ball. Even then he looked smooth.
His Sophomore year, he improved quite a bit. He was much more decisive with the ball, even if he wasn't scoring.
He wasn't going to get minutes, as Berggren was the C.


No one was calling for what he did last year. No one saw that coming. To represent so would be ridiculous. Saying there were signs he'd improve is like saying nothing at all. Most Juniors are better than their Sophomore season, especially if they're due for a big jump in PT. Why are people clinging to this idea that all these sophomores at UW who panned out had everybody predicting big things going into their Junior year when the evidence is the exact opposite?

It's revisionist history.


No, it really isn't.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/frank-kaminsky-1.html

Per 40 Sophomore/Junior Year:

TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
6.8 3.2 1.7 2.1 1.1 4.9 16.2
9.3 1.9 1.0 2.6 1.5 3.7 20.5

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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone Leaning Towards UW? PG 40 

Post#831 » by trwi7 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:46 pm

Uhh, the numbers you posted indicate a pretty huge jump. Especially given more minutes and more responsibility. I don't think anyone saw it coming with Kaminsky last year. Sure you could think he could be a solid piece but to be the top player on the team? Nobody saw that coming no matter what "flashes" he showed in his sophomore year.
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Post#832 » by HaroldinGMinor » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:48 pm

I don't know if you can just extrapolate out to Per 40 for a guy that plays 10 minutes a game and think you've got something worthwhile.
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Post#833 » by Johnlac1 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:55 pm

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Showalter is not starting material, his role is exactly what it is now.....will be interesting to see if Happ and Hill can actually play well in a game, big difference between being a practice player and being someone who can play all facets with bright lights on you.


I'm not a huge advocate of Showalter, but if he can show the ability to hit an open 3, he'll be Gasser with less ball handling but more athletic defense. He checked Young well for a short time on Sunday. I could see him starting - especially if Hill is considered the backup PG.


Showalter cannot shoot at all. He's a live body, can defend some and doesn't play scared. Borderline scholarship player. Certainly nowhere near the potential of a walk-on like Clayton Hansen. I think he'll be part of the rotation next year due to backcourt thinness, but Hill and Koenig will sop up most of the minutes, with Pritzl and possibly Iverson getting significant chunks.

Big fan of Pritzl solely based on his appraisal of his range: "I can shoot the piss out of the ball." Alright then.

He's still going to have to play defense. And it will be a plus minus thing with him and some other player like Showalter.
After seeing clips of Pritzl he can certainly "shoot the p... out of the ball." But he's not a top level athlete like Showalter.
So if Showalter goes and takes a million shots this summer and comes back with a respectable three ball, he'll start over Pritzl. Especially if the Badgers pick up Stone. Stone will draw so much attention around the basket, a lot of other players will be left wide open.
If Showalter can knock down 35-40% of catch and shoot, he'll start...again, if Stone is the center.
If Stone is not the center, that will give Pritzl a little more chance. But then he'll still be a freshman.
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Post#834 » by On_Wisconsin » Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:12 am

I'm really looking forward to what Iverson will do for us in the next few years. We are set up really well outside of the 5 spot and Stone will definitely help for a year or two. Maybe recruit someone like Little Giannis or that 7' kid from Prescott
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Post#835 » by Kerb Hohl » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:03 am

I don't think anyone saw Kaminsky's explosion happening.

That said, I recall going into last year knowing that he had good offensive skills for a big man.

Guys like Showalter and Brown, you can write off various parts of their game. I'd be happy if Showalter learned to shoot and became a different form of Gasser contributor. Brown, I'd be happy if he did anything.
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Post#836 » by HaroldinGMinor » Wed Mar 25, 2015 2:42 am

Kerb Hohl wrote:I don't think anyone saw Kaminsky's explosion happening.

That said, I recall going into last year knowing that he had good offensive skills for a big man.

Guys like Showalter and Brown, you can write off various parts of their game. I'd be happy if Showalter learned to shoot and became a different form of Gasser contributor. Brown, I'd be happy if he did anything.


Brown's got a good jumper. Something to build on anyway.

And as for Iverson....dude can jump.
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Re: 2014-15 Badger Discussion Thread - Stone Leaning Towards UW? PG 40 

Post#837 » by Ill-yasova » Wed Mar 25, 2015 10:31 am

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:Can Nigel legitimately play SF in the NBA? Because I highly doubt he'd be a very effective PF at 6'7. Just seems to be way too much of a tweener to enter the draft prior to using up his eligibility. I haven't been following the draft experts' opinion of him though. For example I didn't even know there was an article about him looking at the NBA. All very interesting.

I made the comparison in the game thread, but this guy's success has to be helping Nigel's NBA prospects.

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Post#838 » by Kerb Hohl » Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:34 pm

I dunno...I feel like Draymond had a bit more interior/PF ability than Nigel in college (and now he has developed the SF stuff). Could be wrong, though.
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Post#840 » by Thunder Muscle » Wed Mar 25, 2015 1:17 pm

Johnlac1 wrote:
tski1972 wrote:Don't really know much about the talent in central WI, kinda got on the SPASH program last year when the buzz was starting on the Hauser and Anderson kid.

I' m sure the Badgers will keep tabs of the seven foot soph, Owen Hamilton, from Prescott (?) The kid moves pretty well but is pretty raw.
Too bad that Pritzl kid didn't make it to the tourney. I would have liked to see him shoot after reading all the noise about him.



A couple tidbits and take it for what it is worth...

A guy I work with has a friend and his nephew is that Hauser from SPASH, and apparently Bo hasn't expressed any interest in him at all. Sounds like UW isn't going to be an option even if they come in late. Wojo and Tony Bennett have had fairly strong interest though.

I live in De Pere and the word is that Pritzl is a gunner and it will be interesting to see how he fits into Bo's system, which isn't necessarly about gunning shots.

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